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Brunei adopts sharia law

t seems you are scared of what you dont know and let me tell you a secret not 1 Indian showed any form of knowledge about Shariah...so boo


Obviously Indian do not have the interest in those uncivilized codes of 4th and 6th century. Indians have lots of better work to do. You do research on sharia and start a movement to implement that in your country.
 
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Brother they are just trolling I have been on this thread since morning answering everything they have said....after every 2-3 that leave another 2-3 asking the same question come in...Not one has even read OP half done even know where Brunei is and the def all only know Taliban Shariah or what the Indian Muslim council gives punishment as shariah....nothing from self reading...I have put some 3-4 articles since morning on different stuff...not 1 feedback, same old ranting same old dheet band of wanting to win attitude without even thinking that they know nothing but are fearing a system they know not!
I think they are here to increase your post count...:lol:
 
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Obviously Indian do not have the interest in those uncivilized codes of 4th and 6th century. Indians have lots of better work to do. You do research on sharia and start a movement to implement that in your country.
No interest so basically never bothered to educate themselves = making themselves look like a fool in masses :coffee:

Oh lets not forget their persistency in saying it is primitive because I said so because obviously I have no interest in it nor do I even know its basics look at the post below as an example:

Alright since you are being stupid here:

1. There is no jury in court, only the judge
2. There are no lawyers, parties represent themselves (A woman's testimony is worth half a man's in court)
3. Evidence is centered around oral testimony (think about that one)
4. Domestic violence against women is encouraged
5. A rape victim who complains can be charged with a crime
6. Although rape is illegal, a rapist may skirt punishment by marrying his victim

Tell me ho you think it fits today's society as just
This just proves my case:

You no zilch! Ab tou sharam kerlo! But no one who is sacred of something they dont know prob ignorance is a low word try Jahil! :rofl:
 
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No interest so basically never bothered to educate themselves = making themselves look like a fool in masses :coffee:


Indian and fool in masses???

Indians are most welcomed and most respected community in the world.

You said it right, we never bother to educated ourselves in sharia.

Looking to your passion to sharia, you must migrate to Brunei until Taliban impose sharia in Pakistan.
 
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Obviously Indian do not have the interest in those uncivilized codes of 4th and 6th century. Indians have lots of better work to do. You do research on sharia and start a movement to implement that in your country.
Why r u on a Pakistani forum?
 
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@Aeronaut found this interesting
The Origins of Islamic Law

Islamic law represents one of the world's great legal systems. Like Judaic law, which influenced western legal systems, Islamic law originated as an important part of the religion.

Sharia, an Arabic word meaning "the right path," refers to traditional Islamic law. The Sharia comes from the Koran, the sacred book of Islam, which Muslims consider the actual word of God. The Sharia also stems from the Prophet Muhammad's teachings and interpretations of those teachings by certain Muslim legal scholars. Muslims believe that Allah (God) revealed his true will to Muhammad, who then passed on Allah's commands to humans in the Koran.

Since the Sharia originated with Allah, Muslims consider it sacred. Between the seventh century when Muhammad died and the 10th century, many Islamic legal scholars attempted to interpret the Sharia and to adapt it to the expanding Muslim Empire. The classic Sharia of the 10th century represented an important part of Islam's golden age. From that time, the Sharia has continued to be reinterpreted and adapted to changing circumstances and new issues. In the modern era, the influences of Western colonialism generated efforts to codify it.

Development of the Sharia
Before Islam, the nomadic tribes inhabiting the Arabian peninsula worshiped idols. These tribes frequently fought with one another. Each tribe had its own customs governing marriage, hospitality, and revenge. Crimes against persons were answered with personal retribution or were sometimes resolved by an arbitrator. Muhammad introduced a new religion into this chaotic Arab world. Islam affirmed only one true God. It demanded that believers obey God's will and laws.

The Koran sets down basic standards of human conduct, but does not provide a detailed law code. Only a few verses deal with legal matters. During his lifetime, Muhammad helped clarify the law by interpreting provisions in the Koran and acting as a judge in legal cases. Thus, Islamic law, the Sharia, became an integral part of the Muslim religion.

Following Muhammad's death in A.D. 632, companions of Muhammad ruled Arabia for about 30 years. These political-religious rulers, called caliphs, continued to develop Islamic law with their own pronouncements and decisions. The first caliphs also conquered territories outside Arabia including Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Persia, and Egypt. As a result, elements of Jewish, Greek, Roman, Persian, and Christian church law also influenced the development of the Sharia.

Islamic law grew along with the expanding Muslim Empire. The Umayyad dynasty caliphs, who took control of the empire in 661, extended Islam into India, Northwest Africa, and Spain. The Umayyads appointed Islamic judges, kadis, to decide cases involving Muslims. (Non-Muslims kept their own legal system.) Knowledgeable about the Koran and the teachings of Muhammad, kadis decided cases in all areas of the law.

Following a period of revolts and civil war, the Umayyads were overthrown in 750 and replaced by the Abbasid dynasty. During the 500-year rule of the Abbasids, the Sharia reached its full development.

Under their absolute rule, the Abbasids transferred substantial areas of criminal law from the kadis to the government. The kadis continued to handle cases involving religious, family, property, and commercial law.

The Abbasids encouraged legal scholars to debate the Sharia vigorously. One group held that only the divinely inspired Koran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad should make up the Sharia. A rival group, however, argued that the Sharia should also include the reasoned opinions of qualified legal scholars. Different legal systems began to develop in different provinces.

In an attempt to reconcile the rival groups, a brilliant legal scholar named Shafii systematized and developed what were called the "roots of the law." Shafii argued that in solving a legal question, the kadior government judge should first consult the Koran. If the answer were not clear there, the judge should refer to the authentic sayings and decisions of Muhammad. If the answer continued to elude the judge, he should then look to the consensus of Muslim legal scholars on the matter. Still failing to find a solution, the judge could form his own answer by analogy from "the precedent nearest in resemblance and most appropriate" to the case at hand.

Shafii provoked controversy. He constantly criticized what he called "people of reason" and "people of tradition." While speaking in Egypt in 820, he was physically attacked by enraged opponents and died a few days later. Nevertheless, Shafii's approach was later widely adopted throughout the Islamic world.

By around the year 900, the classic Sharia had taken shape. Islamic specialists in the law assembled handbooks for judges to use in making their decisions.

The classic Sharia was not a code of laws, but a body of religious and legal scholarship that continued to develop for the next 1,000 years. The following sections illustrate some basic features of Islamic law as it was traditionally applied.

Family Law
Cases involving violations of some religious duties, lawsuits over property and business disputes, and family law all came before the kadis. Most of these cases would be considered civil law matters in Western courts today.

Family law always made up an important part of the Sharia. Below are some features of family law in the classic Sharia that would guide the kadi in making his decisions.

  • Usually, an individual became an adult at puberty. (Even children were abused) (Western law = Juvenile detention)
  • A man could marry up to four wives at once. (There was no limit before)
  • A wife could refuse to accompany her husband on journeys. (Before women had no choice but to follow her husbands)
  • The support of an abandoned infant was a public responsibility. (Western law = Child care services)
  • A wife had the right to food, clothing, housing, and a marriage gift from her husband. (Women had no rights before , Western Law = women rights)
  • When the owner of a female slave acknowledged her child as his own, the child became free. The child's mother became free when the owner died. (Slaves had no rights, the child of a slave would be slave ...and nothing could change that)
  • In an inheritance, a brother took twice the amount as his sister. (The brother also had financial responsibility for his sister.) (Sisters never got anything before) (What sister got didnt need to be shared with brother but brother has a responsibility on sisters) (Western law = women rights)
  • A husband could dissolve a marriage by repudiating his wife three times. (Not by utter talaq 3 times but by repudiating)
  • A wife could return her dowry to her husband for a divorce. She could also get a decree from a kadi ending the marriage if her husband mistreated, deserted, or failed to support her. (Before women couldnt seek divorce no matter what) (Western law = women rights)
  • After a divorce, the mother usually had the right of custody of her young children. (Before father ran off with the kids and women never got anything) (Western law def follows this now)
Criminal Law
The classic Sharia identified the most serious crimes as those mentioned in the Koran. These were considered sins against Allah and carried mandatory punishments. Some of these crimes and punishments were:

  • adultery: death by stoning.
  • highway robbery: execution; crucifixion; exile; imprisonment; or right hand and left foot cut off. (Depending on the level of the crime)
  • theft: right hand cut off (second offense: left foot cut off; imprisonment for further offenses).
  • slander: 80 lashes
  • drinking wine or any other intoxicant: 80 lashes.
Officials of the caliph carried out the penalties for these crimes. (Not a normal judge not even a Qadhi):

Crimes against the person included murder and bodily injury. In these cases, the victim or his male next of kin had the "right of retaliation" where this was possible. This meant, for example, that the male next of kin of a murder victim could execute the murderer after his trial (usually by cutting off his head with a sword). If someone lost the sight of an eye in an attack, he could retaliate by putting a red-hot needle into the eye of his attacker who had been found guilty by the law. But a rule of exactitude required that a retaliator must give the same amount of damage he received. (You cant take money and do harm) If, even by accident, he (the retaliator) injured the person too much, he had broken the law and was subject to punishment. The rule of exactitude discouraged retaliation. Usually, the injured person or his kinsman would agree to accept money or something of value ("blood money") instead of retaliating.

In a third category of less serious offenses such as gambling and bribery, the judge used his discretion in deciding on a penalty. Punishments would often require the criminal to pay a reparation to the victim, receive a certain number of lashes, or be locked up.

Criminal Procedure
The victim of a criminal act or his kinsman ("the avenger of the blood") was personally responsible for presenting a claim against the accused criminal before the court. The case then went on much like a private lawsuit. No government prosecutor participated although certain officials brought some cases to court.

The classic Sharia provided for due process of law. This included notice of the claim made by the injured person, the right to remain silent, and a presumption of innocence in a fair and public trial before an impartial judge. There were no juries. Both parties in the case had the right to have a lawyer present, but the individual bringing the claim and the defendant usually presented their own cases. (No lawyer fee)

At trial, the judge questioned the defendant about the claim made against him. If the defendant denied the claim, the judge then asked the accuser, who had the burden of proof, to present his evidence. Evidence almost always took the form of the direct testimony of two male witnesses of good character (four in adultery cases). (Not in rape) Circumstantial evidence and documents were usually inadmissible. Female witnesses were not allowed except in cases where they held special knowledge, such as childbirth. In such cases, two female witnesses were needed for every male witness. After the accuser finished with his witnesses, the defendant could present his own.

If the accuser could not produce witnesses, he could demand that the defendant take an oath before Allah that he was innocent. "Your evidence or his oath," the Prophet Muhammad taught. If the defendant swore he was innocent, the judge dismissed the case. If he refused to take the oath, the accuser won. The defendant could also confess to a crime, but this could only be done orally in open court. (In West they wait for this but in a closed room with 2 police pounding you with questions)

In all criminal cases, the evidence had to be "conclusive" before a judge could reach a guilty verdict. An appellate system allowed persons to appeal verdicts to higher government officials and to the ruler himself.

Islamic Law Today
In the 19th century, many Muslim countries came under the control or influence of Western colonial powers. As a result, Western-style laws, courts, and punishments began to appear within the Sharia. Some countries like Turkey totally abandoned the Sharia and adopted new law codes based on European systems. Most Muslim countries put the government in charge of prosecuting and punishing criminal acts. In the area of family law, many countries prohibited polygamy and divorce by the husband's repudiation of his wife.

Modern legislation along with Muslim legal scholars who are attempting to relate the will of Allah to the 20th century have reopened the door to interpreting the Sharia. This has happened even in highly traditional Saudi Arabia, where Islam began.

Since 1980, some countries with fundamentalist Islamic regimes like Iran have attempted to reverse the trend of westernization and return to the classic Sharia. But most Muslim legal scholars today believe that the Sharia can be adapted to modern conditions without abandoning the spirit of Islamic law or its religious foundations. Even in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, the Sharia is creatively adapted to new circumstances.
So all those whining barbaric primitive law are found guilty of uttering nonesense! Why? Because Shariah is not as old as their vedas...Now if aurengzeb took advantage of your lack of knowledge, generations down the Indians still have no knowledge of Shariah ...and anyone (media) can brainwash them at will :agree:



The Origins of Islamic Law - Constitutional Rights Foundation

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For all the Indians who know Shariah better than the non-profit organization, kindly write to them regarding the false announcement of Shariah as it doesnt match the ones in their (Indian) brain!
 
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I 100% support Brunei govt. decision....and would be great if muslim nations start adopting sharia law......:tup::tup:
 
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Indian and fool in masses???

Indians are most welcomed and most respected community in the world.

You said it right, we never bother to educated ourselves in sharia.

Looking to your passion to sharia, you must migrate to Brunei until Taliban impose sharia in Pakistan.
How many times do you want to look like a fool today, kindly tell me:

1) Respected community maybe ...the most was not necessary because no one can justify it!

2) At least you agree you have no knowledge of shariah yet you and your countrymen want to comment...what does that equate to? Cant hear you? Say louder: Fools!

3) What taliban did was not Shariah...because you dont educate yourselves to me this statement looks like something stupid!

I 100% support Brunei govt. decision....and would be great if muslim nations start adopting sharia law......:tup::tup:
Typical reaction ...try reading might do you good :coffee:
 
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Typical reaction ...try reading might do you good :coffee:
hehehe...
why typical reaction..... I am supporting it ..ain't u feeling good abt it.....:(.....If i will oppose then also u will get mad on me.....:D:D
reading is good....par itna kaun read karega......:unsure::unsure:
 
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Alright since you are being stupid here:

1. There is no jury in court, only the judge
Was there before? Most British systems dont have a jury...your point being? To look like a fool? Ok
2. There are no lawyers, parties represent themselves (A woman's testimony is worth half a man's in court)
Each represents themselves if they dont want to bring in lawyers...who can speak better than the offender and the defender themselves? In fact even in Western system many a time people yell out I am innocent! better let them speak anyway instead of wasting money on lawyers...The women's testimony is half in court for certain cases. Now who looks like a fool? Still you!
3. Evidence is centered around oral testimony (think about that one)
Mostly oral but you are permitted to bring in solid proofs no where does it stop you. What just happened? Oh yea you are looking like a fool!
4. Domestic violence against women is encouraged
5. A rape victim who complains can be charged with a crime
6. Although rape is illegal, a rapist may skirt punishment by marrying his victim
Quote the Shariah not your brain. Whose the fool? Yes its you again
Tell me ho you think it fits today's society as just
Tell me if educating yourself would have avoided presenting yourself as a fool ?

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Who told you that Indians are upset?



Since Pakistani forum do not simply discuss Pakistan related news only.Post Pakistani news only, I will leave PDF.
Weak justification to hide your insecurities & inferiority complex!

How does Sharia Law being implemented in Brunei effect you? It doesn't! So best keep quiet!!
 
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hehehe...
why typical reaction..... I am supporting it ..ain't u feeling good abt it.....:(.....If i will oppose then also u will get mad on me.....:D:D
reading is good....par itna kaun read karega......:unsure::unsure:
Jo itna time zaya ker raha hai to make themselves look like a fool!

I dont get mad if someone would put something that makes sense...But this "because I said so even though I know not nor have I ever read it" attitude is really annoying!
 
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Weak justification to hide your insecurities & inferiority complex!

How does Sharia Law being implemented in Brunei effect you? It doesn't! So best keep quiet!!
it doesn't effect u either ...why don't u mum down.....
 
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