British reduced India to one of the poorest countries: Shashi Tharoor

[Indus Pakistan]

India was and India is a non existing entity like IVC. What can be done.

Only prosperous part in Indian Sub Continent is Pakistan after 1947 before that all was piss poor hell hole.

Hey, Ganga - guess what? You get a tick from me for being smart to finally get the message. Well done !

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

What I'm saying is that if Britain didn't unite and create India, the number of countries that exist in India today would be no less than the number of colonial masters that rule India. Again, you need to ignore enclaves and focus on whole picture.
Another example is Canada. Would Canada exist as a whole if Britain didn't take Quebec from the French. They took Quebec in the same war that they expelled French from India and thus lay the foundation for uniting India.

8 nation alliance colonization of China led to modern Chinese state creation, if not it would have been a vassal of the Qing empire just like Mongolia FACT

Modern Taiwan is a legacy of Japanese colonial rule. FACT

Hong Kong a legacy of British Colonial rule FACT.
This is why you are referred to a "Chinese colonialist" and asked get out

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Not even remotely the same thing.
Hong Kong and Macau aren't comparable - they are like Goa.

Still they were colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Still they were colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers.

They are special administrative regions.

Just because they where colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers doesn't make them countries.

Like Goa or pondicherry.

 

[faithfulguy]

Still they were colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers.

Yes, but Britain dominated whole India. And Africa was dominated wholly by various European powers. India could have been like Africa. If so, India would be divided into different countries.

The best equivalence of how China suffered would be the Ottomans. India subcontinent was more like Africa. Except it was under one colonial master as oppose to many that dominated Africa.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

They are special administrative regions.

Being a Special administrative region Taiwan has its own military/economy/currency and diplomatic ties as well.

Heck even a sovereign nation like Bhutan lacks some of the above.

 

[faithfulguy]

8 nation alliance colonization of China led to modern Chinese state creation, if not it would have been a vassal of the Qing empire just like Mongolia FACT

Modern Taiwan is a legacy of Japanese colonial rule. FACT

Hong Kong a legacy of British Colonial rule FACT.
This is why you are referred to a "Chinese colonialist" and asked get out

You don take sense, FACT.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You don take sense, FACT.

What I have quoted is history, something which I did not write

 

[Hassan Guy]

Being a Special administrative region Taiwan has its own military/economy/currency and diplomatic ties as well.

Heck even a sovereign nation like Bhutan lacks some of the above.

The China/Taiwan conflict is a completely different story.

They are special administrative regions.

Just because they where colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers doesn't make them countries.

Like Goa or pondicherry.

 

[faithfulguy]

Still they were colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers.

China and Ottomans suffered similar fate compare to how each were dominated by the Europeans. India suffered similarly to Africa.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The best equivalence of how China suffered would be the Ottomans. India subcontinent was more like Africa. Except it was under one colonial master as oppose to many that dominated Africa.

Except Former Ottoman regions like Syria etc became nation states

In Chinese case they got united with Taiwan and Hong Kong being exceptions

and Qing empire was Manchu not Han

Like Armenians got liberated from Ottomans, 8 nation alliance ensured Han Chinese were liberated from Manchu boots

 

[faithfulguy]

What I have quoted is history, something which I did not write

You are using examples of small enclaves compare to India been completely dominated by the British. And the discussion is that had India been partitioned by various European powers, India would not be united today.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You are using examples of small enclaves compare to India been completely dominated by the British. And the discussion is that had India been partitioned by various European powers, India would not be united today.

I have just proved China despite being colonized by 8 colonial power was unified by the colonial powers with Taiwan and Hong Kong being exception.

Hence the same might have happened for India

While in India's case the British attempts to divide and conquer were partially successful.

What actually saved China from complete British domination was its geographic proximity to Russia and Japan, which ensured no British dominance and hence even more allowed the entry of other colonial powers into China:
1. Italy
2. Belgium
3. Austro-Hungarian empire
4. Germany
5. USA

I know this must be hard to accept, but China owes its current existence to benign liberation of the 8-nation alliance nations.

 

[faithfulguy]

Except Former Ottoman regions like Syria etc became nation states

In Chinese case they got united with Taiwan and Hong Kong being exceptions

and Qing empire was Manchu not Han

Like Armenians got liberated from Ottomans, 8 nation alliance ensured Han Chinese were liberated from Manchu boots

The nation state of Turkey was created from Ottomans, even though they are the same nation and same people. The Manchus were part of China in part of history. Sometime, they were a separate country. But both are pretty much one people nowadays. If you know Chinese history, China absorbed a lot of people around it. Manchuria is just the latest example. So the definition of ethnicity is different for different places.

India, on the other hand, is always defined by caste. Which always separate people, not uniting them.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The nation state of Turkey was created from Ottomans, even though they are the same nation and same people. The Manchus were part of China in part of history. Sometime, they were a separate country. But both are pretty much one people nowadays. If you know Chinese history, China absorbed a lot of people around it. Manchuria is just the latest example. So the definition of ethnicity is different for different places.

India, on the other hand, is always defined by caste. Which always separate people, not uniting them.

A Han Chinese claiming Manchu to be part of Chinese is like Armenians claiming Turks to be Armenians

But then again China even claims Mongols to be Chinese, so no surprises here