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Britain | Ethnicity and success

British Bangladeshis are doing astonishingly well at school

Good jobs and household riches remain out of reach

A Muslim child from Bangladesh sits next to a Catholic child from Ireland at Kingsmead Primary School, which primarily serves children who live on the Kingsmead Estate in Homerton, Hackney, close to the site of the 2012 Olympic Games. Its population is diverse, a fact reflected in the 42 different languages spoken by the children as well as the composition of the pupils, 95% of whom are from an ethnic minority. The largest ethnic group is African, followed by Afro Caribbean, Bangladeshi, Turkish, Eastern European, and Irish traveller. Kingsmead children are, according to government data, some of the most economically deprived in the country. Despite these challenges the school strives to achieve the highest standards, with academic achievement above the national average ? impressive, considering that 85% of pupils speak English as a second language. (Photo by Gideon Mendel/In Pictures/Corbis via Getty Images)



Nov 24th 2022
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In 1985 two articles about the Bangladeshi population of east London appeared—one in an academic journal, the other in an education report. Both were despondent. Bangladeshi children were “seriously underachieving” at school, said the education study. The academic paper described knots of unemployed men hanging around the streets, and forecast even worse for Bangladeshis as London deindustrialised. Barring a major intervention, the authors wrote, “they will become more marginalised than at present.”



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Happily, something has happened to a group that accounts for about one percent of the population of England and Wales. Over the past two decades Bangladeshis in England have gone from performing worse than white Britons in the gcse exams taken at age 16 to performing considerably better (see chart). No other ethnic group has improved as much. Bangladeshis now compete for top university places and good jobs. Their progress suggests several things about success in Britain.

Bangladeshi immigration began in earnest in the early 1970s. Many migrants settled in the inner East End of London, close to the financial district. They were penned there by local councils operating discriminatory housing policies, and by racists who attacked those venturing farther into the East End (and sometimes also those who did not). They often went into the rag trade and restaurants.

Education results were indifferent, especially among girls. “My girls didn’t tend to go to university,” remembers Vanessa Ogden, who became head teacher of Mulberry School for Girls, a largely Bangladeshi school in east London, in 2006. Many were expected to marry, then toil at home. Some resented that. “When we marry and have daughters we will treat them differently,” a Bangladeshi pupil somewhere in England told a schools inspector in 2004.

She seems to have kept her word. At Mulberry School for Girls, four-fifths of sixth-formers secured university places this year. In England, the share of Bangladeshi 15-year-olds who go on to enrol in the most competitive universities has jumped from 5% to 16% since 2009-10, while the rate for white Britons has risen only from 8% to 10%. Mulberry girls tend to attend London universities and live at home, although that may change as parents grow bolder. Ms Ogden recently organised a trip to Cambridge, where parents were happy to learn that colleges have porters to keep students safe—something that the upper middle classes have long known.

One conclusion from this success story concerns policy and patience. Heidi Mirza, who was appointed to an education task force by the Labour government in 1997, argues that the extra funding and attention lavished on poor inner-city schools then are bearing fruit now. Recently, under Conservative governments, those things have moved elsewhere. The “levelling up” strategy published in February identifies 55 education investment areas, none in London. That might harm Bangladeshis’ prospects, but probably not for years.

Another conclusion is that it helps to be a Londoner. The city’s fortunes began to revive in the mid-1980s, thanks partly to financial services deregulation. As the most London-centric of all ethnic groups—in 2019, 55% of all Bangladeshis were estimated to live in the capital—they have been hitched to an economic rocket. Two American academics, Ran Abramitzky and Leah Boustan, recently argued that much immigrant success in that country can be explained by the fact that they tend to land in places with strong economies.

The final conclusion is that the road to true prosperity is very long. Some 24% of Bangladeshis receive income-related benefits, compared with a national average of 16%. The Office for National Statistics estimates that the median Bangladeshi household has about one-fifth as much wealth as the median white British one.

Fewer than half of Bangladeshi women aged 16-64 are economically active, compared with about three-quarters of white, black and Indian women. Combined with low wages, that crushes household incomes. Still, the proportion is creeping up. Syeda Khatun of the Bangladeshi Women’s Association, a West Midlands outfit, says early immigrants almost never worked outside the home. These days even mothers do. “You can’t get a mortgage on one person’s income”, she says.

Although it helps a lot, educational prowess does not automatically lead to good jobs; British Bangladeshis fare worse in the job market than they should, given their qualifications. And good jobs do not lead quickly to wealth that can be transmitted from generation to generation. Bangladeshis have done extraordinarily well. They will have to do even better in future.■


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This article appeared in the Britain section of the print edition under the headline "Another East End success"

 
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Britain | Ethnicity and success

British Bangladeshis are doing astonishingly well at school

Good jobs and household riches remain out of reach

A Muslim child from Bangladesh sits next to a Catholic child from Ireland at Kingsmead Primary School, which primarily serves children who live on the Kingsmead Estate in Homerton, Hackney, close to the site of the 2012 Olympic Games. Its population is diverse, a fact reflected in the 42 different languages spoken by the children as well as the composition of the pupils, 95% of whom are from an ethnic minority. The largest ethnic group is African, followed by Afro Caribbean, Bangladeshi, Turkish, Eastern European, and Irish traveller. Kingsmead children are, according to government data, some of the most economically deprived in the country. Despite these challenges the school strives to achieve the highest standards, with academic achievement above the national average ? impressive, considering that 85% of pupils speak English as a second language. (Photo by Gideon Mendel/In Pictures/Corbis via Getty Images)



Nov 24th 2022
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In 1985 two articles about the Bangladeshi population of east London appeared—one in an academic journal, the other in an education report. Both were despondent. Bangladeshi children were “seriously underachieving” at school, said the education study. The academic paper described knots of unemployed men hanging around the streets, and forecast even worse for Bangladeshis as London deindustrialised. Barring a major intervention, the authors wrote, “they will become more marginalised than at present.”



20221126_BRC815.png


Happily, something has happened to a group that accounts for about one percent of the population of England and Wales. Over the past two decades Bangladeshis in England have gone from performing worse than white Britons in the gcse exams taken at age 16 to performing considerably better (see chart). No other ethnic group has improved as much. Bangladeshis now compete for top university places and good jobs. Their progress suggests several things about success in Britain.

Bangladeshi immigration began in earnest in the early 1970s. Many migrants settled in the inner East End of London, close to the financial district. They were penned there by local councils operating discriminatory housing policies, and by racists who attacked those venturing farther into the East End (and sometimes also those who did not). They often went into the rag trade and restaurants.

Education results were indifferent, especially among girls. “My girls didn’t tend to go to university,” remembers Vanessa Ogden, who became head teacher of Mulberry School for Girls, a largely Bangladeshi school in east London, in 2006. Many were expected to marry, then toil at home. Some resented that. “When we marry and have daughters we will treat them differently,” a Bangladeshi pupil somewhere in England told a schools inspector in 2004.

She seems to have kept her word. At Mulberry School for Girls, four-fifths of sixth-formers secured university places this year. In England, the share of Bangladeshi 15-year-olds who go on to enrol in the most competitive universities has jumped from 5% to 16% since 2009-10, while the rate for white Britons has risen only from 8% to 10%. Mulberry girls tend to attend London universities and live at home, although that may change as parents grow bolder. Ms Ogden recently organised a trip to Cambridge, where parents were happy to learn that colleges have porters to keep students safe—something that the upper middle classes have long known.

One conclusion from this success story concerns policy and patience. Heidi Mirza, who was appointed to an education task force by the Labour government in 1997, argues that the extra funding and attention lavished on poor inner-city schools then are bearing fruit now. Recently, under Conservative governments, those things have moved elsewhere. The “levelling up” strategy published in February identifies 55 education investment areas, none in London. That might harm Bangladeshis’ prospects, but probably not for years.

Another conclusion is that it helps to be a Londoner. The city’s fortunes began to revive in the mid-1980s, thanks partly to financial services deregulation. As the most London-centric of all ethnic groups—in 2019, 55% of all Bangladeshis were estimated to live in the capital—they have been hitched to an economic rocket. Two American academics, Ran Abramitzky and Leah Boustan, recently argued that much immigrant success in that country can be explained by the fact that they tend to land in places with strong economies.

The final conclusion is that the road to true prosperity is very long. Some 24% of Bangladeshis receive income-related benefits, compared with a national average of 16%. The Office for National Statistics estimates that the median Bangladeshi household has about one-fifth as much wealth as the median white British one.

Fewer than half of Bangladeshi women aged 16-64 are economically active, compared with about three-quarters of white, black and Indian women. Combined with low wages, that crushes household incomes. Still, the proportion is creeping up. Syeda Khatun of the Bangladeshi Women’s Association, a West Midlands outfit, says early immigrants almost never worked outside the home. These days even mothers do. “You can’t get a mortgage on one person’s income”, she says.

Although it helps a lot, educational prowess does not automatically lead to good jobs; British Bangladeshis fare worse in the job market than they should, given their qualifications. And good jobs do not lead quickly to wealth that can be transmitted from generation to generation. Bangladeshis have done extraordinarily well. They will have to do even better in future.■


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This article appeared in the Britain section of the print edition under the headline "Another East End success"


The article missed out a few important points:

1. First generation Bangladeshi immigrants always start from the bottom because they cannot speak English. That’s thanks to the Dhakaya education system that does not teach in English. Instead peddles the shirty “matri basha”.

2. Bangladeshis are discriminated when applying for senior positions because there aren’t a critical mass of Bangladeshis in senior positions. E.g. medicine and IT is where my family is engaged in - both dominated by Indians and who utilise that dominance. But in a decade that will change - you cannot keep us down if we keep getting the degrees from elite universities.

3. Female labour participation within the second generation is almost universal. But overall number is low because virtually zero participation from first generation women - who prefer to eat, watch Bollywood movies and pray fives times in between.

Btw, 90% of British Bangladeshis are Sylhetis. The second and third generation are going to be a force in Bangladesh. Through them Sylhet will become a major force in BD because no other region in BD can count on so many elite university educated people.

They will drive a cultural shift away from Bangla and rota learning onto English and critical thinking. I can already see some of that influence in Sylhet.

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They can't be making such a bold statement based on a single graph comparing GCSE results of one of the lowest achieving ethnic groups? lmao, Actually British Bangladeshi fall behind even White Brits in the % of students achieving 3 or more A grades at A-level, or overall A-level points. University rates are higher for British Bangladeshi than white British (they are again, among the lowest). But British Bangladeshi achieve far less 1st and 2:1 grades than most of their counterparts whilst at Universities. Am I supposed to be proud of this?

Then again British Bangladeshis suffer greatly from the Dunning-Kruger syndrome so not surprised. Overstating one's competency/achievements based on such little achievements. How else can one describe doing slightly better than British whites and Pakistanis as "extremely well"? Their standards are so damn low. Especially considering white brits' makeup among the lowest academic achievers in their own country LMFAO.

Are British Bangladeshis doing badly academically? No, they're okay. They've improved. But they're not exactly starring performers, not by a long shot.

From a personal experience, from year 3 (the age I moved to the UK) to a Ph.D., the higher I went up the academic ladder, the far fewer British Bangladeshis I've encountered. But you see many more Indian faces the higher you go, increasingly so.

Bangladeshis burn themselves out getting good GCSE results, and can't achieve anything meaningful after that. You do see some Bangladeshi faces as PhD students, postdocs, KTP associates, research associates, and lecturers. But they overwhelmingly come from Bangladesh. Infact there are more penguins in Glasgow zoo than British-born Bangladeshi professors/senior readers within any STEM faculty with a semi-decent international ranking. Find me a top journal paper. There's more chance it's written by authors with names like Xiu, Wang, Beng Wah, Sharma, Chen, Krishnan, Mukharjee, and Luo. Rather than Abubakarr, Alladin, Taslima, Ruksana, Tawfiq, etc. Sorry if this fact hurts, but it's just the reality.

The best/brightest of British Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc, end up as engineers, doctors, and lawyers. And they're usually so burnt out after that, they rarely make noticeable contributions to their fields.

The best of British Indians, Chinese, whites, etc, end up as theoritical physicists, distinguished academics (world authority in their fields), and noble prize winners. The sort of people who actually change the world through science and innovation, as opposed to activism and politics.

British Bangladeshi should realize they need to work 3 times harder than ethnic Europeans to get the same job. Education is the only currency you have in this country. Learn to use it, as the Indians have learned many generations ago.
 
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They can't be making such a bold statement based on a single graph comparing GCSE results of one of the lowest achieving ethnic groups? lmao, Actually British Bangladeshi fall behind even White Brits in the % of students achieving 3 or more A grades at A-level, or overall A-level points. University rates are higher for British Bangladeshi than white British (they are again, among the lowest). But British Bangladeshi achieve far less 1st and 2:1 grades than most of their counterparts whilst at Universities. Am I supposed to be proud of this?

Then again British Bangladeshis suffer greatly from the Dunning-Kruger syndrome so not surprised. Overstating one's competency/achievements based on such little achievements. How else can one describe doing slightly better than British whites and Pakistanis as "extremely well"? Their standards are so damn low. Especially considering white brits' makeup among the lowest academic achievers in their own country LMFAO.

Are British Bangladeshis doing badly academically? No, they're okay. They've improved. But they're not exactly starring performers, not by a long shot.

From a personal experience, from year 3 (the age I moved to the UK) to a Ph.D., the higher I went up the academic ladder, the far fewer British Bangladeshis I've encountered. But you see many more Indian faces the higher you go, increasingly so.

Bangladeshis burn themselves out getting good GCSE results, and can't achieve anything meaningful after that. You do see some Bangladeshi faces as PhD students, postdocs, KTP associates, research associates, and lecturers. But they overwhelmingly come from Bangladesh. Infact there are more penguins in Glasgow zoo than British-born Bangladeshi professors/senior readers within any STEM faculty with a semi-decent international ranking. Find me a top journal paper. There's more chance it's written by authors with names like Xiu, Wang, Beng Wah, Sharma, Chen, Krishnan, Mukharjee, and Luo. Rather than Abubakarr, Alladin, Taslima, Ruksana, Tawfiq, etc. Sorry if this fact hurts, but it's just the reality.

The best/brightest of British Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc, end up as engineers, doctors, and lawyers. And they're usually so burnt out after that, they rarely make noticeable contributions to their fields.

The best of British Indians, Chinese, whites, etc, end up as theoritical physicists, distinguished academics (world authority in their fields), and noble prize winners. The sort of people who actually change the world through science and innovation, as opposed to activism and politics.

British Bangladeshi should realize they need to work 3 times harder than ethnic Europeans to get the same job. Education is the only currency you have in this country. Learn to use it, as the Indians have learned many generations ago.

Before you talk through your backside - do some research!

90% of British Bangladeshis are Sylhetis.

So you are comparing the entire Indian immigrant group - including those who came from Africa - with a population from a tiny part of Bangladesh.

But no matter!

Give it another generation and We will see!
 
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Before you talk through your backside - do some research!

90% of British Bangladeshis are Sylhetis.

So you are comparing the entire Indian immigrant group - including those who came from Africa - with a population from a tiny part of Bangladesh.

But no matter!

Give it another generation and We will see!

It's more like 95%, actually. They would've done better if they were from other districts (even within the Sylhet region) lmao. And I'm half Sylhoddii.

It's unfair to expect such high educational standards from people whose grandparents' only set of skills was serving Chicken Tika masala and poppadoms to English pissheads on a Friday night.

For ALL Bengalis, you need at least 3 generations of university-educated families for basic manners, civility, and work ethic to creep into their family culture.

And it's the 3rd and 4th generations of London that are going to Universities en mass.

Weren't you the one bleating on about how you Londonis are the top ethnic group in Britain, citing articles like this? But you forgot to add," give us another 21 years" xD

It's one thing crawling out of the most underachieving ethnic group in Britain into being slightly average. Reaching Chinese or Indian academically level is something else

You judge a tree by the fruit it produces now, not the fruits its supposed to produce in 20 years time
 
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Off topic,

WTF is this? We Sylhetis aren't an ethnic group! We're cultural group.

Sylhetis growing up in ethnic enclave ghettos around East London and Oldham think differently from actual Bangladeshis from Sylhet.

Speaking from personal experience, Sylhetis are some of the most patriotic groups in Bangladesh.

But many Londonis suffer an identity crisis. Then again, if 4 generations of my family lived in an ethnic enclave ghetto in the arse end of Oldham and East London, I'd have an identity problem too.

Sylheti exceptionalism is a thing in their part of town. They'll ask you whether you're a Bengoollly or a Sylheti as if they're different things lmfao. They do consider themself an ethnicity, how they're descendants of some Arabs, or Turks, or whatever.

Their world map soully consist of Sylhet, London, and nothing else
 
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Off topic,

WTF is this? We Sylhetis aren't an ethnic group! We're cultural group.

If it's cultural, then I'm Sylheti as well. Spent way more time in Sylhet than other places in Bangladesh.

Fluent in Sylheti....

As I've mentioned before - plenty of relatives in Sylhet and I have Jalali looks to boot. :lol:

That other hyper-Sylheti guy is a false-flagger. I told you this already.

No EDUCATED Sylheti claims superiority over non- Sylhetis.

Ah the machinations of RAW - so varied and so interesting ! :lol:
 
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Off topic,

WTF is this? We Sylhetis aren't an ethnic group! We're cultural group.
Not according to illiterate peasants who migrated directly from Sylheti villages to the UK in th 60s -70s and their brainwashed offspings. To them, Sylhet is its own universe.
Modern day Sylhetis from Sylhet do not buy into such crap.
 
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It's more like 95%, actually. They would've done better if they were from other districts (even within the Sylhet region) lmao. And I'm half Sylhoddii.

It's unfair to expect such high educational standards from people whose grandparents' only set of skills was serving Chicken Tika masala and poppadoms to English pissheads on a Friday night.

For ALL Bengalis, you need at least 3 generations of university-educated families for basic manners, civility, and work ethic to creep into their family culture.

And it's the 3rd and 4th generations of London that are going to Universities en mass.

Weren't you the one bleating on about how you Londonis are the top ethnic group in Britain, citing articles like this? But you forgot to add," give us another 21 years" xD

It's one thing crawling out of the most underachieving ethnic group in Britain into being slightly average. Reaching Chinese or Indian academically level is something else

You judge a tree by the fruit it produces now, not the fruits its supposed to produce in 20 years time

Again you are talking through your backside.

Read the article again!

Sylhetis have overtaken white brits in academic achievements in a single generation.

And the next generation will be on par with Chinese - who are the highest achieving ethnic group in Britain.
 
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Not according to illiterate peasants who migrated directly from Sylheti villages to the UK in th 60s -70s and their brainwashed offspings. To them, Sylhet is its own universe.
Modern day Sylhetis from Sylhet do not buy into such crap.

Children and grandchildren of those “peasants” now have more degrees from top unis than the rest of Bangladeshis worldwide put together.

No other division in Bangladesh can boast so many Russel group uni educated people.

There are more Oxbridge educated people in my little village than most Bangladeshi districts 🤣🤣🤣

That’s just a fact!

Just accept what the article says!!!

Don’t blame BBS 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@UKBengali and @EasyNow
 
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Again you are talking through your backside.

Read the article again!

Sylhetis have overtaken white brits in academic achievements in a single generation.

And the next generation will be on par with Chinese - who are the highest achieving ethnic group in Britain.

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Sylhetis have overtaken white brits in academic achievements in a single generation."

So has virtually most ethnicities, with the exception of British Pakistani and Afro-Carribeans.

Large egos, little achievements, that's the way of you ghetto folks

"And the next generation will be on par with Chinese - who are the highest achieving ethnic group in Britain."

Not if they have the same statistical acumen as you LMFAO
 
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Children and grandchildren of those “peasants” now have more degrees from top unis than the rest of Bangladeshis worldwide put together.

No other division in Bangladesh can boast so many Russel group uni educated people.

There are more Oxbridge educated people in my little village than most Bangladeshi districts 🤣🤣🤣

That’s just a fact!

Just accept what the article says!!!

Don’t blame BBS 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@UKBengali and @EasyNow

It's not a fact just because you say it is, but that's how your brain operates i guess

The only thing your gushti were ever good at was getting on boats on their way to Oldham and East London to work as cooks and cleaners.

"There are more Oxbridge educated people in my little village than most Bangladeshi districts 🤣🤣🤣"

More like Oxford Brookes than Oxbridge, but okay. Even Oxford Brookes is a massive achievement for Moulvibazaari fishermen

I know your world map consists solely of Moulvibazaar, Oldham, and East London (maybe a little bit of Amrika), but there's a reason your gushti chose to stay in 3rd rate ghetto @ss ethnic ghettos in the UK. Not all Bangladeshis have such minuscule ambitions in life.

The higher caliber of Bangladeshi diaspora will always tend to avoid British Bengali diasporas like the plague. But you folks like to coagulate like sewage at the bottom of a coagulation tank in your ghetto. And then spin that as some kind of amazing achievement.
 

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As I was reading the replies on this thread, I realized that you Bengalis may not be so different from us Pakistanis after all. The amount of self-cynicism in reaction to prima facie positive news was a feature I thought exclusively existed amongst Pakistanis and Jews (to an extent). I stand corrected.

You guys will be fine inshAllah. The Indians only do well because they crowd the rest of us out- especially Pakistanis. I can tell you that in the Fortune 500 company I used to work for in the US, the Bangladeshis are increasingly better represented. Seems like they like to help each other for hiring and promotions. Not at the discriminatory level that Indians do mind you, but much more than say others.

In this atleast, Pakistanis are different- a Pakistani will not help another Pakistani in these companies period.
 
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As I was reading the replies on this thread, I realized that you Bengalis may not be so different from us Pakistanis after all. The amount of self-cynicism in reaction to prima facie positive news was a feature I thought exclusively existed amongst Pakistanis and Jews (to an extent). I stand corrected.

You guys will be fine inshAllah. The Indians only do well because they crowd the rest of us out- especially Pakistanis. I can tell you that in the Fortune 500 company I used to work for in the US, the Bangladeshis are increasingly better represented. Seems like they like to help each other for hiring and promotions. Not at the discriminatory level that Indians do mind you, but much more than say others.

In this atleast, Pakistanis are different- a Pakistani will not help another Pakistani in these companies period.

Well we cannot generalize, yes.

But Indians help each other in desperate fashion - they have Pakistanis and Bangladeshi beat in that dept. everyday.
 
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