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BAE Systems anticipates increased interest in BAe 146M military transport
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 September 2015


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One of the two aircraft operated by the UK Royal Air Force. BAE Systems anticipates increased interest in the platform as more surplus aircraft are returned to it following the end of their commercial lives with the airlines. Source: BAE Systems
BAE Systems expects to see a renewed growth in interest in its BAe 146M military transport aircraft as the regional airlines begin replacing their fleets with newer types that will soon be introduced into global service, a company official noted on 1 October.

Speaking under the Chatham House Rule at an event in London, the official said that the company's ability to provide refurbished BAe 146 jets to the military transport market had until now been hamstrung by delays in the introduction into service of the new Bombardier C-Series regional airliner that is being procured by many airlines to replace them. With the C-Series now just months away from being fielded, the opportunity exists for BAE Systems to really push its BAe 146M as the airlines begin returning their aircraft to the company.

"The delay in the C-series meant that the return of [used 146s] to BAE Systems was delayed, but now there is an opportunity in the marketplace that wasn't there a couple of years ago," the official said.

The concept of the military transport variant BAe 146M was first launched by BAE Systems in September 2009 as a cheap and capable option for those nations needing tactical fixed-wing airlift. The platform is being offered to military air arms in either a passenger or freighter configuration, or as a combination of the two. As pure passenger aircraft these platforms will seat between 80 and 109 passengers, while as freighters they will carry 11 to 12.5 tonnes of freight.

Performance figures released by the company give a converted 146-200 cargo variant (146-200QT) a range of approximately 1,650 nm with a payload of about 11.5 tonnes. A 146-300QT will be able to operate out to just over 1,600 nm with a payload of about 12.5 tonnes. An extended range (ER) 146-300QT concept variant will be able to haul 12.5 tonnes over 2,200 nm.

British forces in Cyprus military base training.

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Riflemen on patrol during Exercise Lion Star 3 in Cyprus. The TA riflemen joined soldiers from 1st Battalion The Rifles (1 RIFLES) in a 2-week test of their fitness, endurance and decision-making skills.
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The challenging exercise was designed to attract new recruits to 6th Battalion The Rifles (6 RIFLES) and the wider TA, which is planned to grow from 19,000 to 30,000 by 2018, as well as retain those currently serving with the unit.

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Riflemen taking part in a beach landing during Exercise Lion Star 3 in Cyprus . They then worked together for nearly 48 hours against a notional enemy made up of more regular soldiers from 2nd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, the resident infantry battalion based in Cyprus.

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Riflemen take a break in the 37-degree heat during training in Cyprus. As well as some of the hardest and most physically demanding training the unit has undertaken for at least a year, Exercise Lion Star 3 was crucial in giving 6 RIFLES a taste of the vital role which reservists are likely to play in the future British Army after 2020 and beyond.

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Brigadier Piers Hankinson is Commander of 43 (Wessex) Brigade and is in overall command of 6 RIFLES. He said:
From my perspective as Brigade Commander, what this says is that the Army is taking seriously the regeneration of the Territorial Force. This is indicative of the overseas exercises now available to TA battalions such as 6 RIFLES.

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Exercise Lion Star 3 was the first time the unit wore the new uniform – the fact it is impregnated with insect repellent being particularly welcomed by those sleeping out in the field for several nights in a row – but, more significantly, it makes these reservists indistinguishable from their regular counterparts.
 
British armed forces in Gibraltar base in Mediterranean sea.

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Royal Gibraltar regiment: The Regiment is not routinely deployed on operational tours with the remainder of the Army

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Britain's royal navy flagship the HMS Bulwark (DOWN) Britain's royal navy supply vessel RFA Wave Knight ( TOP L) and Britain's royal navy supply vessel RFA Lyme Bay sit at dock in the port of Gibraltar

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Royal navy regiment practice landing in Gibraltar September 2015

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Gibraltar’s warm waters and generally favourable weather are ideal for maritime training – so the Submarine Parachute Assistance Group frequently drop in . Those shoes though:eek:

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HMS Illustrious helicopter carrier leaves for the Mediterranean seas patrols, where Gibraltar will serve as its home base for patrols in the region.

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Britain's military air base in Gilbratar.
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Gibraltar Services Police to carry His Excellency the Governor of Gibraltar away from the Rock on the first stage of his journey back to UK.

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GOD save the Queen: Queen Elizabeth image depiction in Gibraltar for Diamond Jubilee celebration.
 
RAF Base in South Atlantic(Ascensio lslands) between African coast and S.America.

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Acension islands location

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In 1982 a British task force used Ascension Island as a staging post during the Falklands War.

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F4 Phantom (FGR2) on 29 Squadron, RAF Coningsby, Ascension Island and the Falkland Islands. Includes air-to-air refuelling (in-flight refuelling)

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2 RAF Sea Harriers of 809 N.A.S. depart for Ascension Island via Banjul Gambia(West Africa)

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RAF Sea Harriers and Harriers transiting on a British aircraft carrier during the falklands war.

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Ascension islands: Royal Air Force Black Buck Vulcan bomber raids prepare for flight in 1982 falkland war
 
Great pictures of Gibraltar. How many overseas territories like Gibraltar/Ascension Islands/Falklands does UK currently possess (not counting Canada, Australia or New Zealand !) ?
 
did you know the Global combat ship maybe used for the future German MKS-180 program :D

True our new upcoming Global combat ship hopefully will live up to its name and reassure our potential allies who may want to purchase this fabulous ship.

Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins?
To win in a global marketplace, BAE's new warship must trump competing offerings from Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics.
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INTRODUCING THE TYPE 26 FRIGATE, BRITAIN'S NEW GLOBAL COMBAT SHIP. ARTIST'S RENDERING: BAE SYSTEMS.

Britain's new Global Combat Ship is a marvel of engineering. But does it cost too much?

Also known as the "Type 26 Frigate," this project of the British Ministry of Defence and marquee British defense contractor BAE Systems (NASDAQOTH:BAESY) aims to float the Royal Navy into the 21st century. Aboard its 6,900-ton, 492-foot-long hull, this warship boasts:

  • Stealth characteristics including "an acoustically quiet design" to defeat detection by sonar.
  • A type of "3D" radar known as Advanced Radar Target Indication Situational Awareness and Navigation, or "Artisan."
  • Sea Ceptor anti-aircraft missiles.
  • A medium caliber cannon.
  • "Significant" anti-submarine warfare capabilities.
  • The ability to launch Merlin and Wildcat maritime helicopters, and even choppers as big as a CH-47 Chinook.
  • A "hold" capacious enough to carry and launch rigid inflatable boats for special operations missions.
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INSIDE VIEW OF THE TYPE 26 FRIGATE'S ASSAULT BOAT-DEPLOYING HOLD. ARTIST'S RENDERING: BAE IMAGE.

BAE expects to begin delivering GCSes sometime as early as 2020, and these warships will become a mainstay of the Royal Navy well past 2050. Over their lifetime, GCS's modular design will facilitate upgrades to the warship as new technologies are developed and incorporated into it.

All of this tech comes at a cost. Britain's MoD has awarded BAE a $1.3 billion contract to develop the GCS. And that's only to start with. In total, the Royal Navy expects to buy 13 of these boats to replace its current fleet of 13 Type 23 frigates. At estimated production costs of $379 million to $530 million, and factoring in development costs, that makes the GCS a potential $8.2 billion program for BAE.

What it means to investorsThis program has the potential to grow even bigger than that. You see, BAE isn't just building the Type 26 Frigate for the Royal Navy. To the contrary, on its website, the company boasts of its "proven track-record in licensing warship designs and combat systems to international customers and partners." Put more plainly, GCS is a warship designed for export to the international arms market.

Potential buyers in Australia, Brazil, Canada, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, and Turkey have all expressed interest in BAE's design. And the broader arms market in Southeast Asia and the Pacific -- estimated at $200 billion in value over the next 20 years -- could drive the GCS program even higher.

To win in this market, though, the Type 26 Frigate must go head to head with competing frigate designs from America's Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT), Australia's Austal, and Austal's U.S. partner General Dynamics (NYSE:GD), the three companies currently building America's fleet of frigates (originally known as Littoral Combat Ships).

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AMERICA'S FIRST NEW FRIGATE, USS FREEDOM (LCS 1), MAY LOOK A LOT LIKE ITS FIRST LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP. IMAGE SOURCE: LOCKHEED MARTIN.

So, how does GCS measure up to the American boats? Let's set them up side by side:

Type 26 Frigate

Freedom-Class Frigate *

Displacement

6,900 tons

3,200 tons

Length

492 feet

389 feet

Beam

68 feet

57 feet

Top Speed

26+ knots

40+ knots

Range

7,000 nautical miles

4,000 nautical miles

Cost

$379 million to $530 million

$430 million (Lockheed Martin estimates) to $554 million (Congressional and Navy estimates)

*AUSTAL'S AND GENERAL DYNAMICS' INDEPENDENCE-CLASS FRIGATE DESIGN DIFFERS FROM LOCKHEED'S FREEDOM CLASS IN SHAPE AND DESIGN, BEING BOTH LONGER AND WIDER AT ITS BROADEST POINT, BUT IT OFFERS SIMILAR CAPABILITIES FOR SPEED AND RANGE.

Both boats boast similar weapons capabilities -- anti-air, anti-ship, and anti-submarine missiles, machine guns, and a cannon. The 127mm caliber main gun on the Type 26 Frigate, however, will be more than twice as powerful as the 57mm peashooter on the Freedom-class frigate. GCS will also outclass the American frigate in size and endurance -- and cost.

Simply put, if BAE can produce the Type 26 Frigate at the cost it expects, GCS buyers may get a lot more for their money than shoppers for Freedom-class frigates. When you get right down to it, therefore, I'm afraid we're going to have to score this round for BAE. It has come up with a winner, and it's going to be very hard indeed for Lockheed Martin to beat the Type 26 Frigate.



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USS INDEPENDENCE (LCS 2). GENERAL DYNAMICS' ANSWER TO LOCKMART'S FRIGATE DESIGN IS SIMILAR IN CAPABILITY, AND GIVES SIMILARLY BAD BANG FOR THE BUCK. IMAGE SOURCE: GENERAL DYNAMICS.


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Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins? -- The Motley Fool

@Gabriel92 ,
@gambit , @Transhumanist ,@Hamartia Antidote , @Penguin @Nihonjin1051 et al . Your take?
 
True our new upcoming Global combat ship hopefully will live up to its name and reassure our potential allies who may want to purchase this fabulous ship.

Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins?
To win in a global marketplace, BAE's new warship must trump competing offerings from Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics.
bae-gcs-pic_large.jpg

INTRODUCING THE TYPE 26 FRIGATE, BRITAIN'S NEW GLOBAL COMBAT SHIP. ARTIST'S RENDERING: BAE SYSTEMS.

Britain's new Global Combat Ship is a marvel of engineering. But does it cost too much?

Also known as the "Type 26 Frigate," this project of the British Ministry of Defence and marquee British defense contractor BAE Systems (NASDAQOTH:BAESY) aims to float the Royal Navy into the 21st century. Aboard its 6,900-ton, 492-foot-long hull, this warship boasts:

  • Stealth characteristics including "an acoustically quiet design" to defeat detection by sonar.
  • A type of "3D" radar known as Advanced Radar Target Indication Situational Awareness and Navigation, or "Artisan."
  • Sea Ceptor anti-aircraft missiles.
  • A medium caliber cannon.
  • "Significant" anti-submarine warfare capabilities.
  • The ability to launch Merlin and Wildcat maritime helicopters, and even choppers as big as a CH-47 Chinook.
  • A "hold" capacious enough to carry and launch rigid inflatable boats for special operations missions.
type-26-gcs-hold_Bm6qZG7_large.PNG

INSIDE VIEW OF THE TYPE 26 FRIGATE'S ASSAULT BOAT-DEPLOYING HOLD. ARTIST'S RENDERING: BAE IMAGE.

BAE expects to begin delivering GCSes sometime as early as 2020, and these warships will become a mainstay of the Royal Navy well past 2050. Over their lifetime, GCS's modular design will facilitate upgrades to the warship as new technologies are developed and incorporated into it.

All of this tech comes at a cost. Britain's MoD has awarded BAE a $1.3 billion contract to develop the GCS. And that's only to start with. In total, the Royal Navy expects to buy 13 of these boats to replace its current fleet of 13 Type 23 frigates. At estimated production costs of $379 million to $530 million, and factoring in development costs, that makes the GCS a potential $8.2 billion program for BAE.

What it means to investorsThis program has the potential to grow even bigger than that. You see, BAE isn't just building the Type 26 Frigate for the Royal Navy. To the contrary, on its website, the company boasts of its "proven track-record in licensing warship designs and combat systems to international customers and partners." Put more plainly, GCS is a warship designed for export to the international arms market.

Potential buyers in Australia, Brazil, Canada, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, and Turkey have all expressed interest in BAE's design. And the broader arms market in Southeast Asia and the Pacific -- estimated at $200 billion in value over the next 20 years -- could drive the GCS program even higher.

To win in this market, though, the Type 26 Frigate must go head to head with competing frigate designs from America's Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT), Australia's Austal, and Austal's U.S. partner General Dynamics (NYSE:GD), the three companies currently building America's fleet of frigates (originally known as Littoral Combat Ships).

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AMERICA'S FIRST NEW FRIGATE, USS FREEDOM (LCS 1), MAY LOOK A LOT LIKE ITS FIRST LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP. IMAGE SOURCE: LOCKHEED MARTIN.

So, how does GCS measure up to the American boats? Let's set them up side by side:

Type 26 Frigate

Freedom-Class Frigate *

Displacement

6,900 tons

3,200 tons

Length

492 feet

389 feet

Beam

68 feet

57 feet

Top Speed

26+ knots

40+ knots

Range

7,000 nautical miles

4,000 nautical miles

Cost

$379 million to $530 million

$430 million (Lockheed Martin estimates) to $554 million (Congressional and Navy estimates)

*AUSTAL'S AND GENERAL DYNAMICS' INDEPENDENCE-CLASS FRIGATE DESIGN DIFFERS FROM LOCKHEED'S FREEDOM CLASS IN SHAPE AND DESIGN, BEING BOTH LONGER AND WIDER AT ITS BROADEST POINT, BUT IT OFFERS SIMILAR CAPABILITIES FOR SPEED AND RANGE.

Both boats boast similar weapons capabilities -- anti-air, anti-ship, and anti-submarine missiles, machine guns, and a cannon. The 127mm caliber main gun on the Type 26 Frigate, however, will be more than twice as powerful as the 57mm peashooter on the Freedom-class frigate. GCS will also outclass the American frigate in size and endurance -- and cost.

Simply put, if BAE can produce the Type 26 Frigate at the cost it expects, GCS buyers may get a lot more for their money than shoppers for Freedom-class frigates. When you get right down to it, therefore, I'm afraid we're going to have to score this round for BAE. It has come up with a winner, and it's going to be very hard indeed for Lockheed Martin to beat the Type 26 Frigate.



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USS INDEPENDENCE (LCS 2). GENERAL DYNAMICS' ANSWER TO LOCKMART'S FRIGATE DESIGN IS SIMILAR IN CAPABILITY, AND GIVES SIMILARLY BAD BANG FOR THE BUCK. IMAGE SOURCE: GENERAL DYNAMICS.


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Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins? -- The Motley Fool

@Gabriel92 ,
@gambit , @Transhumanist ,@Hamartia Antidote , @Penguin @Nihonjin1051 et al . Your take?
UK wants to export the Type 26 frigates to Australia, Canada, and New Zealand while the US received no interest or exports from countries in the Independence class
 
British forces in Indian Ocean of Diego Garcia number at around 200 Personnel. The huge Military base is a British Overseas territory shared with the U.S
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Supporting freedom of Navigation in Indian Ocean

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Diego Garcia Airbase

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A British Vanguard Class nuclear submarine in Diego Garcia during a patrol in Indian Ocean

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HMS Trenchant leaving Diego Garcia for the U.K after a Long Patrol in Asia, 2013

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Type 23 frigate HMS Richmond has taken part in training exercises with UK Merlin helicopters in the Indian Ocean.

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Working with 820 Naval Air Squadron Merlin Mk 2 helicopters, also deployed in the region, Richmond made use of her advanced specialist equipment to hunt and track simulated submarines in Indian Ocean.

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Commander Mark Anderson Royal Navy, the ship’s Commanding Officer, said: “HMS Richmond has some of the most advanced anti-submarine warfare equipment in the world; conducting training in the unique environment of the Indian Ocean allows us to understand that environment better and demonstrate that we can utilise this capability globally.”


Meanwhile Transiting in Suez Canal for the Middle East .....HMS Defender...........

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Members of 217 Flight conduct winching drills on HMS Defender.HMS Defender will remain in the Gulf as part of her planned operational deployment to conduct maritime security in support of the UK’s Operation Kipion in the Middle East.
 
HMS DEFENDER DURING TRAINING IN PERSIAN GULF.
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Members of 217 Flight conduct winching drills on HMS Defender

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Leading Chef Jack Hendren conducts fast rope training on board HMS Defender

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Commander Phil Nash greets Captain Kim Jeong-Hyun (sic) during a fuel in Salalah. In accordance with Royal Naval tradition, Commander Phil Nash, Defender’s Commanding Officer, invited his Korean counterpart, Capt Kim Jeong-Hyun, aboard to demonstrate what a Type 45 destroyer can do with its many sensors and weapons, and to discuss the challenges of safeguarding one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world – there are typically 3,000 vessels at sea in the area on any one day.

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Commander Phil Nash, Commanding Officer of HMS Defender enjoys a moment with Captain Kim Jeong-Hyun (2nd in from right) and his ship's company during a visit to Salalah, Oman.

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British Naval sailors during a welcoming ceremony on HMS Defender in the Middle East

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HMS Defender during a visit in Gulf: The Royal navy is building a new large Naval Military base in Bahrain which will be operational by the end of next year to ensure a continuous Naval presence for the Royal Navy in the Gulf. Four Royal Navy minesweepers have operated from the Mina Salmon port in Bahrain since 2006, but the new facility will also be a base for much larger ships including destroyers and Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.

Great pictures of Gibraltar. How many overseas territories like Gibraltar/Ascension Islands/Falklands does UK currently possess (not counting Canada, Australia or New Zealand !) ?
A dozen of them spread across the world.

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House of Keys, the lower house of the Tynwald, the Parliament of the Isle of Man.

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[paste:font size="3"]States Assembly; if you need to contact your representative, here is a list of its members, including email addresses.

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[paste:font size="3"]British Antarctic Survey.

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[paste:font size="3"]US Navy Support Facility at Diego Garcia.

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[paste:font size="3"]Falkland Islands Government; there’s alist of the current members of the Council, with generic contact details at the foot of the page.

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The Gibraltarian Parliament’s site a list of the current members of the House (at the bottom of the page).

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House of Assembly, 156 Main Street, Gibraltaror contact them by phone on +350 78420, or by fax to +350 42849.


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Tristan da Cunha is governed by an Administrator, appointed by the Governor of St Helena. The Administrator is advised by an Island Council of eight elected members,listed here. Some general contact details can be found here.

 
Great pictures of Gibraltar. How many overseas territories like Gibraltar/Ascension Islands/Falklands does UK currently possess (not counting Canada, Australia or New Zealand !) ?

When talking about a global presence most people think the US is the only one which can pull this off easily.
However both Britain and France have island possessions in ALL of the world's oceans (well maybe not Arctic). If they want to they can bounce around the planet without a single foreign base!

Peruse this thread: (It's amazing what they own...they keep a low profile about it)
Britain:
Nations with far off tropical island overseas territories and possessions

France:
Nations with far off tropical island overseas territories and possessions

True our new upcoming Global combat ship hopefully will live up to its name and reassure our potential allies who may want to purchase this fabulous ship.

Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins?
To win in a global marketplace, BAE's new warship must trump competing offerings from Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics.

@Gabriel92 ,
@gambit , @Transhumanist ,@Hamartia Antidote , @Penguin @Nihonjin1051 et al . Your take?

AFAIK the US normally does not build ships for other countries. We just give them old ones.
 

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