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Britain's Miliband said 'war on terror' was wrong

It is a good pattern then, especially if it implies that he is trying to be insync with expected American foreign policy, which would imply that US foreign policy may also move away from the rigidity and unilateralism characterized by the Bush years.

Coming few years will see massive changes in the foreign policies of many nations. Those who are confident of themselves, will try to have more independent foreign policy and the ones like UK, will try to hinge at multiple poles. Indications are that UK is certainly looking for alternatives other than USA. UK , Canada and Australia usually move in tandem, except for the degree of sophistication.

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"America cant do anything in Afghanistan"

That's not true. We've done a great job of keeping the ISI out of Afghanistan.

"Presence in few cities does not mean any thing"

Well you guys have really taken to heart that 70% thingy without really grabbing hold of it but here are a few of those cities- Kabul, Kandahar, Jalalabad, Ghazni, Musa Qala, Lashkar Gal, Sangin, Mazur-I-Sharif, and Herat. I keep reading these stories of some anaconda-like squeeze that's occuring and how the taliban control the countryside.

They control nothing. They occupy vacant ground and lose stand-up battles to ISAF EVERY SINGLE TIME. Even the French held the field and left plenty of blood trails back into the hills, heh-heh.:lol:

Each day that there's an elected Afghan government and Afghanistan gets closer to their next election is a good thing. The taliban are running out of time and the world isn't forgetting about Afghanistan. America will be there for some long and undetermined time. So too will many others.

Get used to it.

S2,

If we agreed for moment that ISAF is controlling major cities but news telling us major allies in ISAF are not more intrested to continue this war for much longer period.

If this the case what you thing US could continue this war alone without support of NATO and your supply line is also in danger and PA is now more concern about western boraders.

Iraq army still cannot able to take control for next three years ,WOT is looking moving towards total failure strategically.:azn:
 
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The Orignal Artical Related to the title news, written by David Miliband -The foreign secretary-UK, is being mentioned hereunder::coffee:


'War on terror' was wrong
The phrase gives a false idea of a unified global enemy, and encourages a primarily military reply
David Miliband
The Guardian,
Thursday 15 January 2009


The terrorist attacks in Mumbai seven weeks ago sent shock waves around the world. Now all eyes are fixed on the Middle East, where Israel's response to Hamas's rockets, a ferocious military campaign, has already left a thousand Gazans dead.

Seven years on from 9/11 it is clear that we need to take a fundamental look at our efforts to prevent extremism and its terrible offspring, terrorist violence. Since 9/11, the notion of a "war on terror" has defined the terrain. The phrase had some merit: it captured the gravity of the threats, the need for solidarity, and the need to respond urgently - where necessary, with force. But ultimately, the notion is misleading and mistaken. The issue is not whether we need to attack the use of terror at its roots, with all the tools available. We must. The question is how.

The idea of a "war on terror" gave the impression of a unified, transnational enemy, embodied in the figure of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The reality is that the motivations and identities of terrorist groups are disparate. Lashkar-e-Taiba has roots in Pakistan and says its cause is Kashmir. Hezbollah says it stands for resistance to occupation of the Golan Heights. The Shia and Sunni insurgent groups in Iraq have myriad demands. They are as diverse as the 1970s European movements of the IRA, Baader-Meinhof, and Eta. All used terrorism and sometimes they supported each other, but their causes were not unified and their cooperation was opportunistic. So it is today.

The more we lump terrorist groups together and draw the battle lines as a simple binary struggle between moderates and extremists, or good and evil, the more we play into the hands of those seeking to unify groups with little in common. Terrorist groups need to be tackled at root, interdicting flows of weapons and finance, exposing the shallowness of their claims, channelling their followers into democratic politics.

The "war on terror" also implied that the correct response was primarily military. But as General Petraeus said to me and others in Iraq, the coalition there could not kill its way out of the problems of insurgency and civil strife.

This is what divides supporters and opponents of the military action in Gaza. Similar issues are raised by the debate about the response to the Mumbai attacks. Those who were responsible must be brought to justice and the government of Pakistan must take urgent and effective action to break up terror networks on its soil. But on my visit to south Asia this week, I am arguing that the best antidote to the terrorist threat in the long term is cooperation. Although I understand the current difficulties, resolution of the dispute over Kashmir would help deny extremists in the region one of their main calls to arms, and allow Pakistani authorities to focus more effectively on tackling the threat on their western borders.

We must respond to terrorism by championing the rule of law, not subordinating it, for it is the cornerstone of the democratic society. We must uphold our commitments to human rights and civil liberties at home and abroad. That is surely the lesson of Guantánamo and it is why we welcome President-elect Obama's commitment to close it.

The call for a "war on terror" was a call to arms, an attempt to build solidarity for a fight against a single shared enemy. But the foundation for solidarity between peoples and nations should be based not on who we are against, but on the idea of who we are and the values we share. Terrorists succeed when they render countries fearful and vindictive; when they sow division and animosity; when they force countries to respond with violence and repression. The best response is to refuse to be cowed.
 
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The Orignal Artical Related to the title news, written by David Miliband -The foreign secretary-UK, is being mentioned hereunder::coffee:


'War on terror' was wrong
The phrase gives a false idea of a unified global enemy, and encourages a primarily military reply
David Miliband
The Guardian,
Thursday 15 January 2009


The terrorist attacks in Mumbai seven weeks ago sent shock waves around the world. Now all eyes are fixed on the Middle East, where Israel's response to Hamas's rockets, a ferocious military campaign, has already left a thousand Gazans dead.

Seven years on from 9/11 it is clear that we need to take a fundamental look at our efforts to prevent extremism and its terrible offspring, terrorist violence. Since 9/11, the notion of a "war on terror" has defined the terrain. The phrase had some merit: it captured the gravity of the threats, the need for solidarity, and the need to respond urgently - where necessary, with force. But ultimately, the notion is misleading and mistaken. The issue is not whether we need to attack the use of terror at its roots, with all the tools available. We must. The question is how.

The idea of a "war on terror" gave the impression of a unified, transnational enemy, embodied in the figure of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The reality is that the motivations and identities of terrorist groups are disparate. Lashkar-e-Taiba has roots in Pakistan and says its cause is Kashmir. Hezbollah says it stands for resistance to occupation of the Golan Heights. The Shia and Sunni insurgent groups in Iraq have myriad demands. They are as diverse as the 1970s European movements of the IRA, Baader-Meinhof, and Eta. All used terrorism and sometimes they supported each other, but their causes were not unified and their cooperation was opportunistic. So it is today.

The more we lump terrorist groups together and draw the battle lines as a simple binary struggle between moderates and extremists, or good and evil, the more we play into the hands of those seeking to unify groups with little in common. Terrorist groups need to be tackled at root, interdicting flows of weapons and finance, exposing the shallowness of their claims, channelling their followers into democratic politics.

The "war on terror" also implied that the correct response was primarily military. But as General Petraeus said to me and others in Iraq, the coalition there could not kill its way out of the problems of insurgency and civil strife.

This is what divides supporters and opponents of the military action in Gaza. Similar issues are raised by the debate about the response to the Mumbai attacks. Those who were responsible must be brought to justice and the government of Pakistan must take urgent and effective action to break up terror networks on its soil. But on my visit to south Asia this week, I am arguing that the best antidote to the terrorist threat in the long term is cooperation. Although I understand the current difficulties, resolution of the dispute over Kashmir would help deny extremists in the region one of their main calls to arms, and allow Pakistani authorities to focus more effectively on tackling the threat on their western borders.

We must respond to terrorism by championing the rule of law, not subordinating it, for it is the cornerstone of the democratic society. We must uphold our commitments to human rights and civil liberties at home and abroad. That is surely the lesson of Guantánamo and it is why we welcome President-elect Obama's commitment to close it.

The call for a "war on terror" was a call to arms, an attempt to build solidarity for a fight against a single shared enemy. But the foundation for solidarity between peoples and nations should be based not on who we are against, but on the idea of who we are and the values we share. Terrorists succeed when they render countries fearful and vindictive; when they sow division and animosity; when they force countries to respond with violence and repression. The best response is to refuse to be cowed.

Now good mind of west forced to think that there is flaw in their strategy to curb terrorism,
Terrorism can not be eliminated by terorrism ,killing innocent peoples with desi cutters,phosphorus bombs,surgical striks.

This type of action further provide breeding ground for terorrist,if you want to destroy breeding ground of terrorism you must first eliminate injustice in society ,provide justice to people ,terrorism will die automatically,
 
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The problem is first they breed terrorists and then they fight with them just to sell their weapons and keep on generating money for their weapon industry.

Why they call it War on Terror better name it War of powers.
 
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Miliband brings more 'evidence' about Mumbai attacks
PEER MUHAMMAD

ISLAMABAD (January 17 2009): British Foreign Secretary David Miliband on Friday provided more evidences about Mumbai attacks to Pakistan sent by India and urged Pakistan government to take further and faster steps to ensure immediate prosecution of the culprits.

He was addressing a press conference at UK High Commission here after holding series of meetings with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Interior Advisor Rehman Malik and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.


Miliband was tight-lipped about the evidences at the press conference he conveyed to Pakistani authorities on behalf of India however, later he shared it with some select journalists at the residence of the British High Commissioner.

He reportedly told journalists that Pakistan has to take serious and faster actions against the culprits in light of the evidences India has provided to Pakistan through him. He warned that Pakistan would face the consequences if serious action against terrorists was not taken in light of these evidences.

The top British diplomat admitted that Pakistani authorities are serious in taking action against the elements responsible for Mumbai carnage. "I believe that Pakistani authorities are committed and serious in taking action against the responsible people, who killed over 100 people and injured many more belonging to different states and religion in Mumbai last year," he maintained.

Miliband said that I am not talking here on behalf of India rather I am talking on behalf of UK as our citizens were also victims of that gruesome terror act in November last. "Our three citizens were killed and seven others injured in the incident," he added.

He urged Pakistan to start immediate prosecution of the arrested elements belonging to the defunct religious outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba. Immediate action, he said, would be in the larger interest of Pakistan and international community.

"There will be long-term, serious consequences if government of Pakistan fails to prosecute the arrested elements, who belong to Pakistan," he added. "The government has to take faster and further action to build the confidence of international community," he maintained.

To a question, the British Foreign Secretary said that Pakistan and India must resume intensive talks to settle the Kashmir issue through negotiations. At the same time, he said, wounds of Indians are very deep after the Mumbai attacks and it would take time to heal.

"Prosecution and punishment of the responsible elements of Mumbai attacks and rooting out of the terrorist networks in Pakistan is fundamental to resume the suspended talks," he maintained. He said that terrorists on both sides want to destabilise the countries.

Commenting on the Gaza situation, he said that Britain has been calling for immediate cease-fire and implementation of UNSC resolution there from the day one. A hand out issued by the Foreign Office here said that British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi discussed bilateral relations, matters relating to the European Union, the Friends of Democratic Pakistan Forum, counter-terrorism, situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan's relations with India and Israeli attacks on Gaza.
 
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The problem is first they breed terrorists and then they fight with them just to sell their weapons and keep on generating money for their weapon industry.

Why they call it War on Terror better name it War of powers.

Exactly Weapon manufacturing is one of major industry of US ,they have created conflicts in middle and central and south asia and want keep them alive for revival and upgradation and sales of their arms and amunation industry.

After five years Bush admitted that decision to attack on iraq was wrong now milliband is telling us WOT is wrong ,

Who is responsible for 1 million killing in iraq and quater million in Afghanistan ?
 
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Exactly Weapon manufacturing is one of major industry of US ,they have created conflicts in middle and central and south asia and want keep them alive for revival and upgradation and sales of their arms and amunation industry.

After five years Bush admitted that decision to attack on iraq was wrong now milliband is telling us WOT is wrong ,

Who is responsible for 1 million killing in iraq and quater million in Afghanistan ?

I agree with you. Their policies are fueling hatred and terrorism and the victims are actually not the Americans at all who fuel stupidity with their double standards and increase anger and rage within the Islamic world but the nations that try to reason with the angry elements created as a result of US policy. It puts people like us in a much more difficult situation and makes it hard to explain why we are siding with the americans. As a result we are the ones who are attacked and suffer the losses while they sit back making deals with our enemies (Ie' Nuclear deal with india while we suffer loadshedding.)

What pure double standards we see when they give complete support to Israeli barbarsim in Palestine but say the people in palestine who fight back as terrorists. Frankly Hamas is no terrorist. If my nation was invaded i would fight till my dying breathe to keep it free. This is the basic right of every individual. US media tries to present Hamas as agressor instead of Israel. Hamas is not a terrorist organization in any arab nation nor Pakistan or even civilized nations but US pressure on EU and propaganda worked off there and EU and Us say its terrorist. Holy cow! They become terrorist for defending themselves and palestinians which is an occupied territory.

Even America actually formed the godamn taliban and terrorists and now they are enjoying murdering innocent Pakistanis and Afghans. America is the greatest terrorist nation in the world. US is only nation that has used nukes and killed over 1 Million by doing so and they cry about Iran getting nukes while terrorist americas presense is in afghanistan and Iraq and threatening everyone about. **** me lol. The bastard taliban and al qaeda weren't even heard of before 2001 but obviously america brought them on our ***** and now they want to kill us because they see us as supporters of terrorist american policies that have made the world a place without justice and double standards where basically anyone can be framed as a terrorist for as much as standing against the united states.

I really hope i see this nation crumble to dust one day. They dont deserve to be a superpower. A superpower is expected to do justice rather than spread bloodshed all across the world. US does not deserve this right.
 
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I agree with you. Their policies are fueling hatred and terrorism and the victims are actually not the Americans at all who fuel stupidity with their double standards and increase anger and rage within the Islamic world but the nations that try to reason with the angry elements created as a result of US policy. It puts people like us in a much more difficult situation and makes it hard to explain why we are siding with the americans. As a result we are the ones who are attacked and suffer the losses while they sit back making deals with our enemies (Ie' Nuclear deal with india while we suffer loadshedding.)

What pure double standards we see when they give complete support to Israeli barbarsim in Palestine but say the people in palestine who fight back as terrorists. Frankly Hamas is no terrorist. If my nation was invaded i would fight till my dying breathe to keep it free. This is the basic right of every individual. US media tries to present Hamas as agressor instead of Israel. Hamas is not a terrorist organization in any arab nation nor Pakistan or even civilized nations but US pressure on EU and propaganda worked off there and EU and Us say its terrorist. Holy cow! They become terrorist for defending themselves and palestinians which is an occupied territory.

Even America actually formed the godamn taliban and terrorists and now they are enjoying murdering innocent Pakistanis and Afghans. America is the greatest terrorist nation in the world. US is only nation that has used nukes and killed over 1 Million by doing so and they cry about Iran getting nukes while terrorist americas presense is in afghanistan and Iraq and threatening everyone about. **** me lol. The bastard taliban and al qaeda weren't even heard of before 2001 but obviously america brought them on our ***** and now they want to kill us because they see us as supporters of terrorist american policies that have made the world a place without justice and double standards where basically anyone can be framed as a terrorist for as much as standing against the united states.

I really hope i see this nation crumble to dust one day. They dont deserve to be a superpower. A superpower is expected to do justice rather than spread bloodshed all across the world. US does not deserve this right.

Agreed that US government and Israel is sourse of terrorism but not all americans nor all jews.

Whole family of nations should rethink about unilateralism of US and world now should be converted to multilateralism.
President of US should not be so stronge that it could ***** whole world economy and could be able to take wrong dicisions to attack any country with voilation of intenational laws and in the end say just sorry.
 
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