Britain set to confront China with new aircraft carrier

[Michael Corleone]

Going by that logic, China has 1 outdated liaoning, Shandong undergoing sea trails and two more under construction which could be taken out by Supersonic & Hypersonic missiles

but why is daddy China still investing in Aircraft Carriers!!

China isn’t investing in super carriers... nor nuclear powered ones

More like down the bottom of the Ocean.

This isn't the Falklands War and China isn't the Argentina of the 80's.

The US is just trying to play all their cards to intimidate China and it isn't working. They're gonna take down UK (again), just like they did in Afghanistan - if it gets that far.

All this scene is missing is Russia Aircraft Carrier to even the odds and make it interesting.

Russian navy is a pathetic excuse of a blue water navy... they don’t have a port that’s not frozen in the pacific for more than half the year..l and they’re out of carrier game for good

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

More like down the bottom of the Ocean.

This isn't the Falklands War and China isn't the Argentina of the 80's.

The US is just trying to play all their cards to intimidate China and it isn't working. They're gonna take down UK (again), just like they did in Afghanistan - if it gets that far.

All this scene is missing is Russia Aircraft Carrier to even the odds and make it interesting.

SBM ain't that effective as people realize it. Especially against western CBG.

They have to rely on external hardware like satellites, planes & drones to rely information back to the artillery.

China up to date have no (effective) counter to CBG.

Also Russian carrier good joke man. I LOL so hard at that.

 

[F-22Raptor]

SBM ain't that effective as people realize it. Especially against western CBG.

They have to rely on external hardware like satellites, planes & drones to rely information back to the artillery.

China up to date have no (effective) counter to CBG.

Also Russian carrier good joke man. I LOL so hard at that.

What people don’t understand is that the US has taken apart Chinese kill chains to the nth degree. It’s why you see so many reports of US electronic intelligence aircraft constantly flying near the Chinese coast or naval operations. Their ingesting massive amounts of electronic data and breaking down Chinese signals and data links.


The US has been preparing the electronic battle space for years in the Western Pacific. And they’ll disintegrate Chinese targeting and communications networks in the event of conflict.

 

[Zapper]

China isn’t investing in super carriers... nor nuclear powered ones

How does it matter when they can still be taken out by Super & Hypersonic missiles per your logic!!

Also, China's Type 003 is supposed to have a displacement of 85k tonnes while Type 004 is expected to be >100k tonnes, nuclear powered with a total of 70-100 helos and aircrafts. So, you are wrong...daddy has already invested in Super Carriers

 

[Figaro]

SBM ain't that effective as people realize it. Especially against western CBG.

They have to rely on external hardware like satellites, planes & drones to rely information back to the artillery.

China up to date have no (effective) counter to CBG.

Also Russian carrier good joke man. I LOL so hard at that.

Actually the DF-21D and the DF-26 series are very potent countermeasures to the CBG ... this is something the USN has consistently been aware of. They are not to be underestimated. As for the Russian carrier, you are right it is basically a propaganda showpiece.

How does it matter when they can still be taken out by Super & Hypersonic missiles per your logic!!

Also, China's Type 003 is supposed to have a displacement of 85k tonnes while Type 004 is expected to be >100k tonnes, nuclear powered with a total of 70-100 helos and aircrafts. So, you are wrong...daddy has already invested in Super Carriers

To say aircraft carriers are outdated is a super myopic argument. Just because they have become more vulnerable does not make them suddenly obsolete. This just means air defense R&D expenditure must be increased, plus a revised doctrine of how aircraft carriers operate near these A2AD conditions. Saying carriers are obsolete & useless now would be like saying bombers became useless after the advent of SAM systems in the late 1950s.

 

[mmr]

Who needs opium?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Actually the DF-21D and the DF-26 series are very potent countermeasures to the CBG ... this is something the USN has consistently been aware of. They are not to be underestimated. As for the Russian carrier, you are right it is basically a propaganda showpiece.


To say aircraft carriers are outdated is a super myopic argument. Just because they have become more vulnerable does not make them suddenly obsolete. This just means air defense R&D expenditure must be increased, plus a revised doctrine of how aircraft carriers operate near these A2AD conditions. Saying carriers are obsolete & useless now would be like saying bombers became useless after the advent of SAM systems in the late 1950s.

Lots of Southeast Asians are not pro-American. They might sound pro American but they are anti American. They want Americans to do their fighting for them which is why they kiss *** so hard. They don't give a single shit if Americans suffer.

Do you want American lives and taxpayer money to end up at the bottom of the Pacific for some foreigner aid leeches? Real Americans would say, hell no! Those who deserve freedom fight for it themselves. That is after all what Republicans said about Syrian refugees.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Actually the DF-21D and the DF-26 series are very potent countermeasures to the CBG ... this is something the USN has consistently been aware of. They are not to be underestimated. As for the Russian carrier, you are right it is basically a propaganda showpiece.


To say aircraft carriers are outdated is a super myopic argument. Just because they have become more vulnerable does not make them suddenly obsolete. This just means air defense R&D expenditure must be increased, plus a revised doctrine of how aircraft carriers operate near these A2AD conditions. Saying carriers are obsolete & useless now would be like saying bombers became useless after the advent of SAM systems in the late 1950s.

No it's not even the Chinese top brass agrees with me. Even they say the Dong Feng are questionable assets against the CBG. fur instance the Dong Feng requires constant data update in order to perform effectively. The problem is that the US CBG are not stationary targets & can jam, shoot down drones, scout planes & even underwater target.

Not to mention even if the SBM launched the US have an impenetrable defense network called the AEGIS system which were designed to shot down ballistic missile from the freaking atmosphere!

To add the new SPY-7 radar are not even fully out yet.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Anglos need to realize that their time is up. the empire doesn't exist anymore and it died after the last great war
this isn't the 80s anymore - if they think china will buckle like argentina did over the falklands then that is hubris to a new level

 

[antonius123]

No it's not even the Chinese top brass agrees with me. Even they say the Dong Feng are questionable assets against the CBG. fur instance the Dong Feng requires constant data update in order to perform effectively. The problem is that the US CBG are not stationary targets & can jam, shoot down drones, scout planes & even underwater target.

Not to mention even if the SBM launched the US have an impenetrable defense network called the AEGIS system which were designed to shot down ballistic missile from the freaking atmosphere!

To add the new SPY-7 radar are not even fully out yet.

It is not questionable at all. They use OTH, Yaogan satellite and surveillance drones to update the position of the targeted CBG. Furthermore the dongfeng warhead has onboard sensors for tracking target in close distance.

Aegis system is not that effective against warhead running at 30 mach while can do evasive maneuver.

Lots of Southeast Asians are not pro-American. They might sound pro American but they are anti American. They want Americans to do their fighting for them which is why they kiss *** so hard. They don't give a single shit if Americans suffer.

Do you want American lives and taxpayer money to end up at the bottom of the Pacific for some foreigner aid leeches? Real Americans would say, hell no! Those who deserve freedom fight for it themselves. That is after all what Republicans said about Syrian refugees.

Some are pro America, although the government not necessarily pro America.

How does it matter when they can still be taken out by Super & Hypersonic missiles per your logic!!

Also, China's Type 003 is supposed to have a displacement of 85k tonnes while Type 004 is expected to be >100k tonnes, nuclear powered with a total of 70-100 helos and aircrafts. So, you are wrong...daddy has already invested in Super Carriers

Carriers or Super Carriers are still needed in war or skirmish against most countries. Not all countries has long range ASBM like DF21 or DF26 or YF17. For the shorter ASBM to launch, you will need to get enough close to the targeted carrier, and it is another problem for the attacker; and during navals confrontation Carriers wont be in the front line.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

The small island nation of britian makes china laugh.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

They use OTH, Yaogan satellite and surveillance drones to update the position of the targeted CBG. Furthermore the dongfeng has onboard sensors for tracking target in close distance.

Let me explain the problems with relying on that system in Uno by Uno basis:

1. If they use satellite for targetting then that means the defending force have to wait for the proper satellite in the right place above the enemy fleet, the problems is that GPS (or Beidou) are not real time & the enemy would have moved somewhere else. (Also the US can like shoot or sabotage the Chinese satellite if the conflict gets too hot. )

2. If it by air reconnaissance they have a choice between soft kill or hard kill. ( Jam or just blowing them out off existence. Considering it's the US or UK they will just choose the latter.

3. Onboard GPS same problem. Unreliable data. It's basically no different than SCUD.

4. You forgot to mention is by submarine. This is the one that's more likely to produce result. But the problem is that a CBG would have placed Towed Array Sonar to protect the carrier group.

SBM real values are in force multiplier & as psy-ops. It's never meant to be useful against a CBG, against a single straggler ship it is useful. The problem is that it's almost never so.

 

[艹艹艹]

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[antonius123]

Let me explain the problems with relying on that system in Uno by Uno basis:

1. If they use satellite for targetting then that means the defending force have to wait for the proper satellite in the right place above the enemy fleet, the problems is that GPS (or Beidou) are not real time & the enemy would have moved somewhere else. (Also the US can like shoot or sabotage the Chinese satellite if the conflict gets too hot. )

Real time data needed only in the final stage, when the missile/warhead is close enough to hit the target precisely and it is the function of the onboard sensor. Thats why many missile especially the long range ones have onboard sensors.

During initial phase, you dont need accurate real time data. Even inaccurate OTH radar will be enough to guide the missile approaching the CBG.

2. If it by air reconnaissance they have a choice between soft kill or hard kill. ( Jam or just blowing them out off existence. Considering it's the US or UK they will just choose the latter.

There is still OTH radars. How do you kill OTH radars located in deep enemy teritorry?
Besides killing satellites will be reciprocal, China could kill GPS satellite as much as US could kill Beidou.

3. Onboard GPS same problem. Unreliable data. It's basically no different than SCUD.

Which problem you mean, realtime data?

Nope! realtime data is problem for the distance sensor due to the travel time required by EM pulse. Again as explained above "onboard sensor" is the key.

Otherwise, how come many missiles like sidewinder, amraam, meteor, pl-15 etc could hit supersonic target like jet fighter?

4. You forgot to mention is by submarine. This is the one that's more likely to produce result. But the problem is that a CBG would have placed Towed Array Sonar to protect the carrier group.

How submarine could guide the missile?

SBM real values are in force multiplier & as psy-ops. It's never meant to be useful against a CBG, against a single straggler ship it is useful. The problem is that it's almost never so.

If so then why US military view DF21/DF26 seriously.

 

[Daniel808]

Let me explain the problems with relying on that system in Uno by Uno basis:

1. If they use satellite for targetting then that means the defending force have to wait for the proper satellite in the right place above the enemy fleet, the problems is that GPS (or Beidou) are not real time & the enemy would have moved somewhere else. (Also the US can like shoot or sabotage the Chinese satellite if the conflict gets too hot. )

2. If it by air reconnaissance they have a choice between soft kill or hard kill. ( Jam or just blowing them out off existence. Considering it's the US or UK they will just choose the latter.

3. Onboard GPS same problem. Unreliable data. It's basically no different than SCUD.

4. You forgot to mention is by submarine. This is the one that's more likely to produce result. But the problem is that a CBG would have placed Towed Array Sonar to protect the carrier group.

SBM real values are in force multiplier & as psy-ops. It's never meant to be useful against a CBG, against a single straggler ship it is useful. The problem is that it's almost never so.

It is not questionable at all. They use OTH, Yaogan satellite and surveillance drones to update the position of the targeted CBG. Furthermore the dongfeng warhead has onboard sensors for tracking target in close distance.

Aegis system is not that effective against warhead running at 30 mach while can do evasive maneuver.




Some are pro America, although the government not necessarily pro America.




Carriers or Super Carriers are still needed in war or skirmish against most countries. Not all countries has long range ASBM like DF21 or DF26 or YF17. For the shorter ASBM to launch, you will need to get enough close to the targeted carrier, and it is another problem for the attacker; and during navals confrontation Carriers wont be in the front line.

This dude @Reashot Xigwin must be forget that they have Gaofen-4 Satellite in their Arsenal. The most-powerful GEO Spy Satellite.

Why Gaofen-4 is important? Because He is in GEO Orbit. That's mean :
1. There are NO US ASAT System that can shotdown/blind a GEO Satellite. Because GEO orbit is too far away from earth (36,000 km).

2. Placed in GEO orbit, that's mean He can covering an Entire Continent/Region (49 million square kilometers) Continously 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

3. With that orbit, He can easily detect 50 meters object like, Tanker, Destroyer and of course an Aircraft Carrier exact location easily.

For Reference :
https://www.popsci.com/gaofen-4-wor...ntinues-chinas-great-leap-forward-into-space/

Gaofen-4 GEO Satellite can easily provide Exact Location of any Aircraft Carrier in Western Pacific Region Continously 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to China's Strategic Rocket Forces Operating DF-21D, DF-26 AsBM, and DF-17 HGV