Britain returns East Of Suez as RAF Typhoons Land In Malaysia

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RAF Typhoons Land In Malaysia

British fighter jets have arrived in Malaysia as part of Exercise Eastern Venture.


The Royal Air Force Typhoon aircraft, from RAF Lossiemouth, have landed at Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) Butterworth as part of Exercise Bersama Lima 16, the first leg of Eastern Venture.

The jets were refuelled during the long flight over by RAF Voyager Tanker aircraft.

RAF voyager Refueling tanker provided air to air refuelling during the long flight.

Multiple refuels were conducted, with the Voyager and Typhoons linking up at 300 mph.

Exercise Bersama Lima 16 is the annual Five Powers Defence Arrangement (FPDA) exercise, which involves the UK, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

The exercise provides an opportunity for the countries to improve integration and interoperability, whilst showing their commitment to the defence relationship.

It is due to run from October 4th to the 21st. After Bersama Lima, the Typhoons will then deploy for exercises in Japan and the Republic of Korea.

The RAF Typhoon is a multi-role combat aircraft that can be deployed in the full spectrum of air operations ranging from air policing, to peace support, through to high intensity conflict.


http://forces.tv/60361425?image=9

Good to see we are returning to East of Suez/Asia after a long period of absence. With our new naval base in Bahrain geared towards Asia, hopefully we will see our military presence and cooperation with our allies in the region grow. WIN-WIN cooperation.


Looking forward to some Typhoons sale to Malaysia as well.
@waz, @Blue Marlin, @Arefin007 , @Kaptaan , @Steve781

 

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Five Power Defence Arrangements 'more necessary than ever' for regional stability: UK defence chief Fallon

British defence secretary Michael Fallon at the Shangri-La Hotel on June 4.ST PHOTO: LIM YAOHUI
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JUL 4, 2016, 11:18 AM SGT

Jermyn Chow
Taiwan Correspondent

SINGAPORE - The world’s second-oldest military partnership, the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA), is "more necessary than ever" to maintain stability in the region, said British defence secretary Michael Fallon on Saturday (June 4).

The 45-year-old grouping, made up of Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Malaysia, is also "a very clear sign of British commitment in the region".

He was speaking to The Straits Times after meeting with his counterparts from Singapore, Malaysia, New Zealand. Australian on the sidelines of the 15th Shangri-La Dialogue, a defence summit organised by the organised by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).

The FPDA, which came into force in 1971, was initially conceived as a transitional agreement to provide for the defence of Malaysia and Singapore until the then new states could fend for themselves.

While other multilateral military groupings like the Asean Defence Ministers’ Meeting (ADMM)-Plus, which has 18 member countries including China and the United States, are growing in prominence, the FPDA remains a "force for good" with troops undergoing regular training exercises every year, said Mr Fallon.

As part of efforts to shift its attention to the Asia-Pacific, Britain will increase the number of troops across the region and continue to put its troops, warships and warplanes through their paces in the area, said Mr Fallon.

One of the Queen Elizabeth class Carriers will be deployed to Asia in the coming years.

This will include putting one of its two yet-to-be-completed aircraft carriers in this part of the world, said Mr Fallon.

"We recognise that this is the fastest growing region of the world which has rapidly growing population and it's vital for the prosperity of the world trading system," he said.

"We have not yet scheduled the first deployments. But you can be sure in the 2020s, you will see one or other of these carriers in the Asia-Pacific," he said.

In a joint statement released after their meeting on Saturday, defence ministers from FPDA members expressed their countries’ aspiration to provide the necessary resources for FPDA exercises to meet the evolving regional security challenges.

"Recognising the importance of confidence-building measures especially with non-FPDA countries in the region, the FPDA Defence Ministers welcomed initiatives aimed at engaging these countries, which include inviting non-FPDA ASEAN countries to observe FPDA exercises," said the statement.

"This is to increase transparency and to alleviate any sensitivities towards FPDA activities in the region.

Royal navy 48-cell A50 Sylver Vertical launching system on HMS Daring arrives in Singapore ahead of five nations exercise 2014

Meanwhile, Britain is building relationships with its partners in the region with its officials meeting their Japanese and Australian counterparts. The British defence chief, General Sir Nick Houghton, has met with his Chinese counterpart in the recent months, Mr Fallon added.

On the ongoing South China Sea dispute, Mr Fallon said that Britain does not take sides in the overlapping territorial claims of China and several Asean countries but urges all parties to exercise restraint to "reduce the risk of miscalculation".

He added that Britain wants to see all parties, including Beijing, respect the upcoming ruling by the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration in a case initiated by the Philippines against China.

"I think its important that these disputes are pursued through international fora, through the various conventions that apply and that the rulings, when they come, are fully respected."


http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...necessary-than-ever-for-regional-stability-uk

 

[waz]

RAF Typhoons Land In Malaysia

British fighter jets have arrived in Malaysia as part of Exercise Eastern Venture.


The Royal Air Force Typhoon aircraft, from RAF Lossiemouth, have landed at Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) Butterworth as part of Exercise Bersama Lima 16, the first leg of Eastern Venture.

The jets were refuelled during the long flight over by RAF Voyager Tanker aircraft.

RAF voyager Refueling tanker provided air to air refuelling during the long flight.

Multiple refuels were conducted, with the Voyager and Typhoons linking up at 300 mph.

Exercise Bersama Lima 16 is the annual Five Powers Defence Arrangement (FPDA) exercise, which involves the UK, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

The exercise provides an opportunity for the countries to improve integration and interoperability, whilst showing their commitment to the defence relationship.

It is due to run from October 4th to the 21st. After Bersama Lima, the Typhoons will then deploy for exercises in Japan and the Republic of Korea.

The RAF Typhoon is a multi-role combat aircraft that can be deployed in the full spectrum of air operations ranging from air policing, to peace support, through to high intensity conflict.


http://forces.tv/60361425?image=9

Good to see we are returning to East of Suez/Asia after a long period of absence. With our new naval base in Bahrain geared towards Asia, hopefully we will see our military presence and cooperation with our allies in the region grow. WIN-WIN cooperation.


Looking forward to some Typhoons sale to Malaysia as well.
@waz, @Blue Marlin, @Arefin007 , @Kaptaan , @Steve781

Wonderful, and a part of the world which is very close to us, since the old days. These relationships will grow stronger now. Good to see our Aussie/NZ kin there. Malaysian and Singaporean friends represented as well.
I do love those Typhoon formation shots bro, there is just something about that plane...

 

[mike2000 is back]

Wonderful, and a part of the world which is very close to us, since the old days. These relationships will grow stronger now. Good to see our Aussie/NZ kin there. Malaysian and Singaporean friends represented as well.
I do love those Typhoon formation shots bro, there is just something about that plane...

Yes bro. We need to keep expanding our ties towards our allies and brotherly nations like Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. Especially wth Brexit. This will encourage us to engage even more with the outside world.

 

[waz]

Yes bro. We need to keep expanding our ties towards our allies and brotherly nations like Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. Especially wth Brexit. This will encourage us to engage even more with the outside world.

Spot on bro, let's keep the momentum going. We have a strong leader backing us, and her cabinet is set on establishing stronger ties with our kin, with whom we have lost touch of to a certain degree. It's also time to build those ties with the Commonwealth, which is a colossal bloc by itself.

 

[dy1022]

since when, London respected the past ruling by the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration ???

No one could ruling Chinese territory,no matter Past, Now or Future!

2 US CBGs Ran away after 12th July, It's game over, no matter what country X, country Y saying now.

All hot air!!!

 

[mike2000 is back]

since when, London respected the past ruling by the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration ???

No one could ruling Chinese territory,no matter Past, Now or Future!

2 US CBGs Ran away after 12th July, It's game over, no matter what country X, country Y saying now.

All hot air!!!

huh......this is not aimed towards China AT ALL. Thought you knew that.
THE five defence power Agreement we created was formed decades ago,way before China started growing/emerging as a big power. It was NEVER AIMED AT CHINA, it was merely created by Britain to reassure our allies/former colonies in the region as we withdrew our forces from east of Suez/SEA/Asia Pacific. It was also formed to help countries like Malaysia and Singapore defend themselves against communist guerrilla rebel fighters threatening these countries back then and against Indonesia eyeing these two countries territories as well. An imaginary Chinese threat never really figured in our calculations at all.
So i don't see why you think this is aimed at you.We never ever mentioned anything against China, neither do we even take sides in your disputes with other claimants in SCS (of which one of FDPA member Malaysia is part of), we don't have much conflict of interests with China either. Reason we cooperate with you people in many sectors and we allow your companies to invest in Britain freely(just like we do with all countries) as well. So no reason for us to take sides. At beast we are neutral.
So this is just to increase our presence and commitment in Asia, protect/secure our interests there and reassure our allies(especially the anglo-saxons ones like Australia and New zealand) of our commitments/come back after BREXIT. We will be engaging with the outside world even more now that we are exiting the bureaucratic E.U. So expect to see more British military and diplomatic presence in many places around the world and engaging in military exercises and cooperation, including maybe even a military drill/training with China..

China and UK Pledge to Increase Military Exchanges
Beijing, Sep 9 (Prensa Latina) China and the United Kingdom pledged to enhance their exchanges and mutual trust in military to tap their huge cooperation potential, government sources said today.

On Thursday, Chinese Defense Minister Chang Wanquan (R) meets with British Secretary of State for Defense Michael Fallon on the sideline of the UN peacekeeping defense ministerial meeting in London.

Chang, also a Chinese state councilor, said that his country is willing to deepen mutual understanding and political trust with the new British government, expand cooperation and exchanges in various areas and levels so as to make new progress in the bilateral strategy coordination and pragmatic cooperation.

Chang's remarks came as China and Britain reaffirmed their commitments to the 'golden era' in the bilateral relationship when the leaders of the two countries met in Hangzhou during the G20 summit a few days ago.

The minister said that the military relations between the two nations had witnessed substantial progress and called on the two sides to maintain the momentum of high-level military exchanges and bring new connotation to their pragmatic cooperation.

On his part, Fallon said that Britain is willing to strengthen its exchanges and cooperation with China in military and defense.

The defense ministerial meeting is a follow-up event of the Leaders' summit on Peacekeeping which was convened in the United States last year.

http://plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=3516&SEO=china-and-uk-pledge-to-increase-military-exchanges

 

[dy1022]

huh......this is not aimed towards China AT ALL. Thought you knew that.
THE five defence power Agreement we created was formed decades ago,way before China started growing/emerging as a big power. It was NEVER AIMED AT CHINA, it was merely created by Britain to reassure our allies/former colonies in the region as we withdrew our forces from east of Suez/SEA/Asia Pacific. It was also formed to help countries like Malaysia and Singapore defend themselves against communist guerrilla rebel fighters threatening these countries back then and against Indonesia eyeing these two countries territories as well. An imaginary Chinese threat never really figured in our calculations at all.
So i don't see why you think this is aimed at you.We never ever mentioned anything against China, neither do we even take sides in your disputes with other claimants in SCS (of which one of FDPA member Malaysia is part of), we don't have much conflict of interests with China either. Reason we cooperate with you people in many sectors and we allow your companies to invest in Britain freely(just like we do with all countries) as well. So no reason for us to take sides. At beast we are neutral.
So this is just to increase our presence and commitment in Asia, protect/secure our interests there and reassure our allies(especially the anglo-saxons ones like Australia and New zealand) of our commitments/come back after BREXIT. We will be engaging with the outside world even more now that we are exiting the bureaucratic E.U. So expect to see more British military and diplomatic presence in many places around the world and engaging in military exercises and cooperation, including maybe even a military drill/training with China..

China and UK Pledge to Increase Military Exchanges
Beijing, Sep 9 (Prensa Latina) China and the United Kingdom pledged to enhance their exchanges and mutual trust in military to tap their huge cooperation potential, government sources said today.

On Thursday, Chinese Defense Minister Chang Wanquan (R) meets with British Secretary of State for Defense Michael Fallon on the sideline of the UN peacekeeping defense ministerial meeting in London.

Chang, also a Chinese state councilor, said that his country is willing to deepen mutual understanding and political trust with the new British government, expand cooperation and exchanges in various areas and levels so as to make new progress in the bilateral strategy coordination and pragmatic cooperation.

Chang's remarks came as China and Britain reaffirmed their commitments to the 'golden era' in the bilateral relationship when the leaders of the two countries met in Hangzhou during the G20 summit a few days ago.

The minister said that the military relations between the two nations had witnessed substantial progress and called on the two sides to maintain the momentum of high-level military exchanges and bring new connotation to their pragmatic cooperation.

On his part, Fallon said that Britain is willing to strengthen its exchanges and cooperation with China in military and defense.

The defense ministerial meeting is a follow-up event of the Leaders' summit on Peacekeeping which was convened in the United States last year.

http://plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=3516&SEO=china-and-uk-pledge-to-increase-military-exchanges

He added that Britain wants to see all parties, including Beijing, respect the upcoming ruling by the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration in a case initiated by the Philippines against China.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Spot on bro, let's keep the momentum going. We have a strong leader backing us, and her cabinet is set on establishing stronger ties with our kin, with whom we have lost touch of to a certain degree. It's also time to build those ties with the Commonwealth, which is a colossal bloc by itself.

Yes bro. Not just with our anglo-saxon and commonwealth brothers who represent almost half of countries around the world, but also with other non English speaking countries in Asia as well. we will keep engaging with the outside world and deepening our military, financial and diplomatic ties with countries in Asia as we pivot to Asia(the most rapidly growing and vibrant region in the world today). This will be helped/furthered not just by BREXIT but also by our new stronger leader Theresa May the iron lady. Britain is back.


UK and Vietnam Strengthening Military Ties; are Considering a Mutual Defense Agreement
By Arthur Dominic Villasanta | Sep 09, 2016 08:51 AM EDT

High-ranking defense delegations from Vietnam and the United Kingdom have met twice over the past two months to discuss strengthening military ties against a background of dangerous tensions in the South China Sea.

Minister of State at the Ministry of Defense of the United Kingdom Earl Howe has just finished talks with Vietnam's Deputy Defense Minister, Senior Lt. Gen. Nguyen Chi Vinh, who led a high-ranking Vietnamese defense delegation that visited the UK from Sept. 5 to 7 at Howe's invitation.

Gen. Vinh said the visit of the high-level Vietnamese delegation strengthened bilateral friendship between both nations; boosted military cooperation between their two armies and brought defense ties to a new level.

This was the second high level defense meeting between both nations in two months. In June, Vinh told British Secretary of State for Defense Michael Fallon Vietnam supports the UK taking an observer role in future conferences of defense ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). Fallon promised Vietnamese troops will be allowed to train in the UK.

Following both meetings, Vietnam and the UK agreed to study the possibility of a defense cooperation agreement aimed at bolstering defense relations.

Deputy Minister Nguyen Chi Vinh met with Alok Sharma, Secretary of State for the UK’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office (VNA)

Vietnam and the UK recognized the positive outcomes of defense cooperation under the Memorandum of Understanding signed in November 2011. They did, however, note their current bilateral defense cooperation doesn't reflect the potentials of both countries and their strategic partnership.

In his September visit, Gen. Vinh expressed delight at positive developments in bilateral relations since the two countries established the strategic partnership six years ago. He said Vietnam always wants to boost bilateral relations and all-sided cooperation, including defense ties with the UK.

He affirmed Vietnam is ready to serve as a bridge connecting the UK to Asian countries, especially member states of ASEAN or the Association of Southeast Nations.

Deputy Defence Minister Nguyen Chi Vinh (centre) has a bilateral meeting with British Secretary of State for Defence Michael Fallon (right). (Photo: VNA)

For his part, Howe said the UK always appreciates the role and position of Vietnam in Asia. He noted his country wanted to expand defense ties with Vietnam for the sake of peace, stability and development.

Gen. Vinh and Howe also exchanged views on regional and international issues of mutual concern. They agreed the current situation in Asia require countries to jointly deal with regional challenges, particularly non-traditional security ones.

They agreed that disputes between countries must be settled by peaceful means and on the basis of international law, including China, which has repudiated the ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague invalidating China's nine-dash line and with it China's illegal claim to own most of the South China Sea.

Gen. Vinh also invited Howe to visit Vietnam.



Read more: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...ng-mutual-defense-agreement.htm#ixzz4MZZ5gWOe

He added that Britain wants to see all parties, including Beijing, respect the upcoming ruling by the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration in a case initiated by the Philippines against China.

Obviously, we want the disputes to be settled peacefully, this benefits ALL PARTIES in this dispute including China who benefits even more from continued peace and stability in Asia more than any other country.
So if the dispute can resolved through diplomatic means or legal means then it will set a good example to others. Moreover, we cant please all sides, we often have to say things(give a little carrot) to please our hosts as well. Cant please everybody at the same time. However, what is clear is that WE DON'T TAKE ANY SIDES IN THIS DISPUTE AT ALL.

 

[Viet]

Yes bro. We need to keep expanding our ties towards our allies and brotherly nations like Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. Especially wth Brexit. This will encourage us to engage even more with the outside world.

I think the money you save on brexit can be spent in east Asia theatre. Operating typhoon jets is not cheap. More than $80,000 per hour. Don't hesitate to send your carrier battle group into the South China Sea!

 

[mike2000 is back]

I think the money you save on brexit can be spent in east Asia theatre. Operating typhoon jets is not cheap. More than $80,000 per hour. Don't hesitate to send your carrier battle group into the South China Sea!

You can start by buying our Typhoons that will mean we will have an even mlre interlinked defencd relationship. NOTHING GOOD COMES CHEAP., like malaysia wjo is already considering buying them(there is a chance they might buy them, considering we already have very close military and stategic ties with them as they already operate our BAE hawks jets). That will be a good start for Vietnam.

BAE systems optimistic of bid to sell Eurofighter Typhoon to M’sia
September 23, 2016, Saturday

A Eurofighter Typhoon in flight at the Dubai Air Show. Photo courtesy of BAE Systems.

KUALA LUMPUR: UK-based BAE Systems (International) Ltd is optimistic of its Eurofighter Typhoon bid and is now awaiting the Malaysian government’s decision to replace the current MiG-29N fleet for the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF).

Managing Director for South-East Asia and India, John Brosnan, said it was up to the Malaysian government to evaluate the proposals and select the aircraft that would meet the requirement.

BAE Systems’ planes are up against Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale and Saab’s Gripen for the tender.

“We’re quite optimistic now. We think all the evaluations are now being done. We’ve made our proposals. Our competitors made their proposals, and Malaysia already operates our Hawks jet combat and training versions which is a bonus for our company” he told Bernama at the recent Defence Sevices Asia 2016 (DSA 2016).

He said the RMAF had tested its aircraft.

The company had in 2011, submitted the “Rough Order of Magnitude” prices, which are estimates or outline prices for the supply of main equipment, training and initial spares.

Malaysia already operates 14 single-seat BAE combat Hawk 208s and six Hawk 108 trainers

Brosnan said the comprehensive industrial package included in the bid for maintaining the aircraft would also create 20,000 jobs.

“We work hard to ensure that we’re also offering a comprehensive industrial package as well to ensure the aircraft will be well supported entirely in Malaysia.

“It would create up to 20,000 jobs in Malaysia. So we think it’s an attractive offer in terms of capabilities of the products and the wider economic benefits to Malaysia,” he said.

In October 2010, the Malaysian government decided to retire the country’s MiG-29N due to high operating costs.

It was reported that the RMAF required 18 new fighter jets as replacement under the Multi-Role Combat Aircraft programme.

The Typhoon, developed by Europe’s leading aerospace companies led by BAE Systems, is highly agile in terms of air superiority with an air-to-surface, multi-role/swing-role weapons system, making it among the most capable front-line combat aircraft available.

Malaysia bought 18 of the MiG-29N fighter jets in June 1994 for US$380 million.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/0...c-of-bid-to-sell-eurofighter-typhoon-to-msia/

As for our carriers being stationed in Vietnam, i don't think so to be honest. It's more likely they will be in Singapore, or one of our close allies like Australia or even new Zealand(that's when they leave their permanent home base in Bahrain though), that's if/when they have the necessary naval facilities to do so in the first place.

 

[Viet]

You can start by buying our Typhoons that will mean we will have an even mlre interlinked defencd relationship. NOTHING GOOD COMES CHEAP., like malaysia wjo is already considering buying them(there is a chance they might buy them, considering we already have very close military and stategic ties with them as they already operate our BAE hawks jets). That will be a good start for Vietnam.

BAE systems optimistic of bid to sell Eurofighter Typhoon to M’sia
September 23, 2016, Saturday

A Eurofighter Typhoon in flight at the Dubai Air Show. Photo courtesy of BAE Systems.

KUALA LUMPUR: UK-based BAE Systems (International) Ltd is optimistic of its Eurofighter Typhoon bid and is now awaiting the Malaysian government’s decision to replace the current MiG-29N fleet for the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF).

Managing Director for South-East Asia and India, John Brosnan, said it was up to the Malaysian government to evaluate the proposals and select the aircraft that would meet the requirement.

BAE Systems’ planes are up against Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale and Saab’s Gripen for the tender.

“We’re quite optimistic now. We think all the evaluations are now being done. We’ve made our proposals. Our competitors made their proposals, and Malaysia already operates our Hawks jet combat and training versions which is a bonus for our company” he told Bernama at the recent Defence Sevices Asia 2016 (DSA 2016).

He said the RMAF had tested its aircraft.

The company had in 2011, submitted the “Rough Order of Magnitude” prices, which are estimates or outline prices for the supply of main equipment, training and initial spares.

Malaysia already operates 14 single-seat BAE combat Hawk 208s and six Hawk 108 trainers

Brosnan said the comprehensive industrial package included in the bid for maintaining the aircraft would also create 20,000 jobs.

“We work hard to ensure that we’re also offering a comprehensive industrial package as well to ensure the aircraft will be well supported entirely in Malaysia.

“It would create up to 20,000 jobs in Malaysia. So we think it’s an attractive offer in terms of capabilities of the products and the wider economic benefits to Malaysia,” he said.

In October 2010, the Malaysian government decided to retire the country’s MiG-29N due to high operating costs.

It was reported that the RMAF required 18 new fighter jets as replacement under the Multi-Role Combat Aircraft programme.

The Typhoon, developed by Europe’s leading aerospace companies led by BAE Systems, is highly agile in terms of air superiority with an air-to-surface, multi-role/swing-role weapons system, making it among the most capable front-line combat aircraft available.

Malaysia bought 18 of the MiG-29N fighter jets in June 1994 for US$380 million.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/0...c-of-bid-to-sell-eurofighter-typhoon-to-msia/

As for our carriers being stationed in Vietnam, i don't think so to be honest. It's more likely they will be in Singapore, or one of our close allies like Australia or even new Zealand(that's when they leave their permanent home base in Bahrain though), that's if/when they have the necessary naval facilities to do so in the first place.

Mike, VN airforce needs a jet that can everything, from patrol to dog fight to bomb ground and sea targets. the Typhoon costs 180 million euro a piece, with 80,000 euro per one operating hour, but it can only fight enemy fighters. if comparing to Su-35, the typhoon costs too much but can too little.

 

[lcloo]

huh......this is not aimed towards China AT ALL. Thought you knew that.
THE five defence power Agreement we created was formed decades ago,way before China started growing/emerging as a big power. It was NEVER AIMED AT CHINA, it was merely created by Britain to reassure our allies/former colonies in the region as we withdrew our forces from east of Suez/SEA/Asia Pacific. It was also formed to help countries like Malaysia and Singapore defend themselves against communist guerrilla rebel fighters threatening these countries back then and against Indonesia eyeing these two countries territories as well. An imaginary Chinese threat never really figured in our calculations at all.



http://plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=3516&SEO=china-and-uk-pledge-to-increase-military-exchanges

I agreed. The original purpose of forming five defence power agreement was to protect Singapore and Malaysia from the domino effect from military victory of North Vietnam, and to a certain extend, the potential threat from Indonesia.

There were much worry and fear in Malaysia and Singapore that, after North Vietnam took over the south, then they would control Laos and Cambodia. And after that, they might invade Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.

And the threat from Indonesia during that period was their dream of unify a Nusantara nation comprising of Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei, with control from Jakarta.

Note that all five countries in the defence agreement are members of Commonwealth. Sadly, Commonwealth has lost much of its glory, that is a reality of geopolitics.

Personally, I don't think this defence agreement carry much weights these days.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Mike, VN airforce needs a jet that can everything, from patrol to dog fight to bomb ground and sea targets. the Typhoon costs 180 million euro a piece, with 80,000 euro per one operating hour, but it can only fight enemy fighters. if comparing to Su-35, the typhoon costs too much but can too little.

Not really bro. I dont know where you got your infos, but our Typhoons have a lower flight cost compared to Russian SU-35






Moreover, U.S/U.K and French fighter jets have always had a lower maintenance costs compared to Russian fighters. So, you might think you are saving alot of money by buying a Russian fighter at a cheaper one off cost/price, but once you start factoring out the maintenance costs and supply chains issues, then you will found out that you spent even more overall than Purchasing a western fighter jet.

Plus what you mentioned on your first sentence, the Typhoon can do all that and even more. Surprised you think Typhoon cant strike surface targets, we nave been doing that for years now in Libya, Iraq and Syria. BAE built Typhoon we sold to the Saudis are also striking rebels in Yemen for years now.

So Typhoon is a proven fighter. Additionally, more air to surface weapons will soon be operational on Typhoons, first delivery customer to receive them will be Kuwait in 2018.

Plus the typhoon is only getting better with time since it was built to be upgraded with time from the very beginning. That's the main advantage of our Typhoons over other jets of its class.

So this will be a major upgrade for Vietnam, even though i know you people are already used to Russian fighters due to soviet union Legacy. But the world always changes. Even though we human are naturally always scared of Change. Vietnam should make the right choice.

 

[Jlaw]

I agreed. The original purpose of forming five defence power agreement was to protect Singapore and Malaysia from the domino effect from military victory of North Vietnam, and to a certain extend, the potential threat from Indonesia.

There were much worry and fear in Malaysia and Singapore that, after North Vietnam took over the south, then they would control Laos and Cambodia. And after that, they might invade Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.

And the threat from Indonesia during that period was their dream of unify a Nusantara nation comprising of Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei, with control from Jakarta.

Note that all five countries in the defence agreement are members of Commonwealth. Sadly, Commonwealth has lost much of its glory, that is a reality of geopolitics.

Personally, I don't think this defence agreement carry much weights these days.

Will there be a strong possibility Indonesia will invade Malaysia in the near future when it becomes stronger? Indonesia is upgrading its military, especially the navy rapidly.
Amongst the Indonesian they want to be the SE hegemon. They feel malaysia is the challenger standing in her way.