Bring Back The Khilafah (RAP)

[SQ8]

No doubt there are many questions in others mind too and there are many organizations working for the restoration Khilafah. But there is a solid fact on which everybody agree.

When we will have Caliphs like Abu Bakr (RA), Umer (RA), Usman (RA) and Ali (RA) caliphate would be restored.



Does the saying of Iqbal (RA) has more value than the saying of Muhammad (PBUH)? (nauzubillah)

The Prophet never 'established' the caliphate..
His successor was nominated in Abu Bakr.. and so and so forth..
your understanding of the basic history then is incorrect.. so is all of those that claim to establish caliphates.
Moreover.. the Prophets nomination had two perspectives..
to maintain religious and political leadership..
Can you guarantee both in any person now?

All these organizations are FLAWED, and misled at the very base of their movement.
They all are looking to establish a political caliphate, where there is not even a religious one.
Without a religious agreement how can you have a political caliphate under Islam?

You are living the fantasy of finding caliphs like the Ashrah Mubashrah..
Get up from your dreams, its not happening..
The best kings we had , who were close to this material.. some of them have their graves near the Nullahs of Lahore.. where no one treads to even offer fatehah to these great men.
When your people are so astray in their religion that they murder and maim in its name at the slightest provocation without even knowing why..
You are have zero basis for a caliphate..
and all those who trying to establish one with the current approach in mind are damned fools.. bigger fools than the likes of Ramses and every fool mentioned in the history books.

You need to reestablish religious understanding..
That is what Iqbal was trying.. and the countless people of knowledge(and not recitation as there are many parrots out today with parroted false sermons) that have followed similar lines of thought.

You cannot establish a caliphate without understanding the Quran for yourself, and learning about the life of the prophet..
for there are many who will claim to have done so before you and you will accept their fishing hook into being mislead.

A Muslim is of the times.. and speaks with the times in mind..
he is not an archaic fool like the many who preach today.. that he would prefer the abacus evn if a calculator was present.
He is one who makes decisions and evolves himself to practice his being in lieu of the times.
The times dont call for a political caliphate when Islam is under attack both internally and externally.. they call for a reinforcing of our beliefs, of our understanding of the Quran and Sunnah..
A caliphate sits on these foundations.. and these foundations today are wrought with decay,termites and rust..

Only idiots build houses on crumbling foundations...and as a Muslims..I pray not to be counted among idiots on the day of judgement.

 

[Armstrong]

Was Iqbal a religious scholar? He sure praised Ilm Ud Din, did that carry religious weight as well?

As far as I know he didn't issue Fatwas or anything of the sort but he was more well versed in the Koran, the Hadith & the Islamic Traditions than many of these so-called Ulemas of ages past & present. However he was a 'Poet-Philosopher' not an Islamic Scholar in the mold of what that term is taken to be; he didn't write any treatise on Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) or an exegesis (tafsir) of the Koran...he used poetry as the mode to call out to the masses & let them be known what he thought was the message of Islam.

I dunno what his role was in the context of Ilm ud Din & so I can't comment further.

 

[notsuperstitious]

As far as I know he didn't issue Fatwas or anything of the sort but he was more well versed in the Koran, the Hadith & the Islamic Traditions than many of these so-called Ulemas of ages past & present. However he was a 'Poet-Philosopher' not an Islamic Scholar in the mold of what that term is taken to be; he didn't write any treatise on Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) or an exegesis (tafsir) of the Koran...he used poetry as the mode to call out to the masses & let them be known what he thought was the message of Islam.

I dunno what his role was in the context of Ilm ud Din & so I can't comment further.

So if he was not a religious scholar, most people will actually not give any importance to his views. I know many Pakistanis adore him, but thats that. The Ilm Ud Din example was to draw you out, but you already conceded, so I'll let it go

@ Oscar - the Khilafat was a political entity first and then a religious. It claimed legitimacy and writ not on religious grounds but on a sword, but used religion as law, often even breaking that in favor of political expediency - for example Khalid Bin Walid's treatment of Layla Bint Al Minhal and how the ''righteous'' Khalif handled it.

So yes, a political khilafat based on a sword is still possible, the religious khilafat will follow with time, or so these idealists think. But they are now interested in the political unity and the power that promises.

 

[livingdead]

Mods please open a sticky khilafah thread.

 

[SQ8]

@ Oscar - the Khilafat was a political entity first and then a religious. It claimed legitimacy and writ not on religious grounds but on a sword, but used religion as law, often even breaking that in favor of political expediency - for example Khalid Bin Walid's treatment of Layla Bint Al Minhal and how the ''righteous'' Khalif handled it.

So yes, a political khilafat based on a sword is still possible, the religious khilafat will follow with time, or so these idealists think. But they are now interested in the political unity and the power that promises.

I would disagree. There was little 'discord' in the religion first.. the political aspect of it was the need for the leadership of Arab peninsula to be based on a member of the Quraysh as the Quraysh were still considered a house of leadership. Second, Abu Bakr was seen as closest to the prophet and his right hand.. and the best suited for acceptance by most of the Muslims.

The sword came in much later, when sections of false prophets started emerging along with breakaway sections which had 'entered' Islam and then judged that after the Prophet there would be no actual leadership to take over.

Today there exists both religious and political discord..
But the religious discord is more threatening than the political one as it threatens a belief system. If and only that is fixed can there be any wish to create a political unison and that too depends on the wishes of the people who have a religious caliphate to look up to.

 

[474474]

I call bs
Anyone who claims khilafat should be hanged for blaspheming against the Khulafa Rashideen. And anyone who forms big organisations should be tried under Fisad fil Ardh

 

[Mitro]

Prophecy about coming of Khilafa


Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5378 Narrated byHudhayfah ibn al-Yaman An-Nu'man told on Hudhayfah's authority that Allah's Messenger (peace be
upon him) said, "Prophecy will remain among you as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a
caliphate according to the manner of prophecy as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a
distressful kingdom which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a proud kingdom
which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a caliphate according to the manner of
prophecy.


Caliphate will remain with the Quraish

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 9.254 Narrated byIbn Umar
Allah's Apostle said, "This matter (caliphate) will remain with the Quraish even if only two of them were still existing."

 

[474474]

Prophecy about coming of Khilafa


Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5378 Narrated byHudhayfah ibn al-Yaman An-Nu'man told on Hudhayfah's authority that Allah's Messenger (peace be
upon him) said, "Prophecy will remain among you as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a
caliphate according to the manner of prophecy as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a
distressful kingdom which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a proud kingdom
which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a caliphate according to the manner of
prophecy.


Caliphate will remain with the Quraish

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 9.254 Narrated byIbn Umar
Allah's Apostle said, "This matter (caliphate) will remain with the Quraish even if only two of them were still existing."

That's why I dont take hadith serioucly, shias use these weird ones to attack sunnis. Idk how those got into bukhari. I dont believe patriarchal bs

 

[punit]

rename post of president as khalifa. Problem solved

 

[KingMamba]

So if he was not a religious scholar, most people will actually not give any importance to his views. I know many Pakistanis adore him, but thats that. The Ilm Ud Din example was to draw you out, but you already conceded, so I'll let it go

@ Oscar - the Khilafat was a political entity first and then a religious. It claimed legitimacy and writ not on religious grounds but on a sword, but used religion as law, often even breaking that in favor of political expediency - for example Khalid Bin Walid's treatment of Layla Bint Al Minhal and how the ''righteous'' Khalif handled it.

So yes, a political khilafat based on a sword is still possible, the religious khilafat will follow with time, or so these idealists think. But they are now interested in the political unity and the power that promises.

Dear friend you are wrong on so many levels. It was always religious until the hostile takeover by Yazid 1 then it became about securing wealth and preserving the bloodline of the house of Yazid (a monarchy basically).

OK perhaps I should also comment on the claim you put forth but it is not a religious discussion site so can you just give me your source material you learned of the incident from??

 

[Mitro]

Indian ullemas view about khilafa in 1920 "khilafat movement"

Maulana Mohammad Ali Johar, a founder of the Khilafat movement said about the Khilafah:

“The ruler of Turkey was the Khalifah or successor of the Prophet and Amir -ul- Mu’mineen or chief of the believers and the Khilafah is as essentially our religious concern as the Quran or the Sunnah of the Prophet.” [Johar, Mohammed Ali, My Life a Fragment pg.41]

Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad wrote a book in 1920 called ‘The Issue of Khilafat’, he stated:

“Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this.”

In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said:

“There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws.”

 

[Mitro]

That's why I dont take hadith serioucly, shias use these weird ones to attack sunnis. Idk how those got into bukhari. I dont believe patriarchal bs

If you don't take hadith seriously then there is no point on discussing with you.

 

[Mitro]

rename post of president as khalifa. Problem solved

i don't think renaming president to khalifa is going to solve the problem .
because khalifa is the one who take allah law to be supreme and not the law of land or man made law.and in khilafa Sovereignty belongs to allah not the country .

 

[INDIC]

Indian ullemas view about khilafa in 1920 "khilafat movement"

Maulana Mohammad Ali Johar, a founder of the Khilafat movement said about the Khilafah:

“The ruler of Turkey was the Khalifah or successor of the Prophet and Amir -ul- Mu’mineen or chief of the believers and the Khilafah is as essentially our religious concern as the Quran or the Sunnah of the Prophet.” [Johar, Mohammed Ali, My Life a Fragment pg.41]

Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad wrote a book in 1920 called ‘The Issue of Khilafat’, he stated:

“Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this.”

In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said:

“There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws.”

How do you see the acts of Arabs for not supporting the Ottomon Khalifa during first world war.

 

[Kazhugu]

all in all a rape of a genre called rap by a anjum choudahry groupie...