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[BREXIT] The remain campaigners have points.

The government has moved from project fear to project guilt /emotional manipulation. They are shamelessly using Mrs. Cox's death for political points
 
:sarcastic:at this E.U endless debates. Lol
Well, The greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. :agree: Nevertheless, many have tried.:happy:
So there are pros and cons of joining or leaving, depends on how we view things from the grand scheme of things overall.

Its true that Leaving the EU would result in an immediate cost saving, as we would no longer contribute to the EU budget. Last year, we paid in over £13bn(thats the GDP of some small countries.lol), but we also received £4.5bn worth of spending, so our net contribution was about £8.5bn. :blink:. That's about 7 per cent of what the Government spends on the NHS each year.:tsk: So the leave camp have aact point on this one

However, What's harder to determine is whether the financial advantages of EU membership, such as free trade(More than 50 per cent of our exports go to EU countries -and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.) and inward investment (we are still the largest beneficiary of Foreign stock investment/FDI in EUROPE and second in the world) outweigh the upfront costs.:meeting:

So yes, Britain risks losing some of that negotiating power by leaving the EU, but we will also be free to establish our own trade agreements, but that will take time(are we ready to bare the cost of doing so when we have a choice of not getting to this point?).

Its true that Brexiters have a point about taking control of our laws over immigration. However, we can still reform our immigration laws even today and follow the Australian skilled migrant system instead of letting in uneducated illiterate refugees who contribute nothing to our country/economy. Its our government who has not been wlling enough to regulate our immigration system, can't blame the E.U for this. In fact, according to the Office for National Statistics, there are just about 1million eastern Europeans, Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK, along with almost 800,000 western Europeans ,BUT THERE ARE 2.93m workers from outside the EU, with China and India being the biggest source of foreign workers in the UK.:help:o_O:agree:

So even if we were to leave the E.U this won't change, since non E.U countries like China and India don't fall under E.U laws even today, so we can regulate and prevent them from coming here in such large numbers if we wanted even today, but we don't, so can't blame the E.U for that. :sick: As I always said, don't blame others for you faults and shortcomings, blame yourself.
At the end of the day, i(like most brits during Scottish independence referendum) will still vote to remain. Nobody seem to like uncertainty/risks/change into the unknown. lol

However, having said that the E.U needs to seriously reform to address our concerns(yes, this include no fucking European useless Army.lol ) else next time we have a referendum over this, we will definitely be leaving the E.U.,:)
 
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leaving the EU wouldn't mean you would stop trading with the EU or lose free trade necessarily

Switzerland isn't part of the EU and it's one of the richest countries in the world per capita.

lot of fear mongering is going on by remain.


EU sealed it's death warrant when it allowed in millions of Muslims and millions more wanting to get in because of us destabilizing the region.

EU is screwed whether the UK stays or leave....it's just a matter of time before it implodes.
 
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:sarcastic:at this E.U endless debates. Lol
Well, The greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. :agree: Nevertheless, many have tried.:happy:
So there are pros and cons of joining or leaving, depends on how we view things from the grand scheme of things overall.

Its true that Leaving the EU would result in an immediate cost saving, as we would no longer contribute to the EU budget. Last year, we paid in over £13bn(thats the GDP of some small countries.lol), but we also received £4.5bn worth of spending, so our net contribution was about £8.5bn. :blink:. That's about 7 per cent of what the Government spends on the NHS each year.:tsk: So the leave camp have aact point on this one

However, What's harder to determine is whether the financial advantages of EU membership, such as free trade(More than 50 per cent of our exports go to EU countries -and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.) and inward investment (we are still the largest beneficiary of Foreign stock investment/FDI in EUROPE and second in the world) outweigh the upfront costs.:meeting:

So yes, Britain risks losing some of that negotiating power by leaving the EU, but we will also be free to establish our own trade agreements, but that will take time(are we ready to bare the cost of doing so when we have a choice of not getting to this point?).

Its true that Brexiters have a point about taking control of our laws over immigration. However, we can still reform our immigration laws even today and follow the Australian skilled migrant system instead of letting in uneducated illiterate refugees who contribute nothing to our country/economy. Its our gover who has not been wlling enough to regulate our immigration system, cant blame the E.U for this. In fact, according to the Office for National Statistics, there are just about 1million eastern Europeans, Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK, along with almost 800,000 western Europeans ,BUT THERE ARE 2.93m workers from outside the EU, with China and India being the biggest source of foreign workers in the UK.:help:o_O:agree:

So even if we were to leave the E.U this won't change, since non E.U countries like China and India don't fall under E.U laws even today, so we can regulate and prevent them from coming here in such large numbers if we wanted even today, but we don't, so can't blame the E.U for that. :sick:

At the end of the day, i(like most brits) will stil vote yo remain. Nobody seem to like uncertainty/risks/change into the unknown. But E.U needs to seriously reform to address our concerns else next time we have a referendum we will definitely be leaving the E.U.
you are talking about accumulated migrants over the years... there is no way 2.93 million came in same time period as europe, otherwise there will be panic on high street. :)
 
The polls are neck and neck

I don't think we should trust polls and only asking 1K doesn't represent the millions of brits that will vote on thursday nor their thoughts.
We remember when the polls said that the tories and labor were neck and neck and finally,the tories got the majority. :P
 
I don't think we should trust polls and only asking 1K doesn't represent the millions of brits that will vote on thursday nor their thoughts.
We remember when the polls said that the tories and labor were neck and neck and finally,the tories got the majority. :P

Yes true, but having been campaigning on the ground, the only remain folks I come across are in wealthy areas, and in London. So the polls may go the way of Brexit. :o:
Do also remember when the Scottish referendum happened the Nationalists were always behind, and only once did they level in the last 30 days. In this referendum we have seen Brexit in the lead last week by a clear margin, remain come back an edge by 1-2%, and now things are even. That's sent panic across the remain camp.
 

And lap dancers. But you're right the women aren't "easy", although the girls won't give an interested Brit a miss either. Provided your half decent looking and hold a job.
:unsure: where did prostitutes and lapdancers get into the debate the way of the referendum. have i missed somthing? :what:
 
:sarcastic:at this E.U endless debates. Lol
Well, The greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. :agree: Nevertheless, many have tried.:happy:
So there are pros and cons of joining or leaving, depends on how we view things from the grand scheme of things overall.

Its true that Leaving the EU would result in an immediate cost saving, as we would no longer contribute to the EU budget. Last year, we paid in over £13bn(thats the GDP of some small countries.lol), but we also received £4.5bn worth of spending, so our net contribution was about £8.5bn. :blink:. That's about 7 per cent of what the Government spends on the NHS each year.:tsk: So the leave camp have aact point on this one

However, What's harder to determine is whether the financial advantages of EU membership, such as free trade(More than 50 per cent of our exports go to EU countries -and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.) and inward investment (we are still the largest beneficiary of Foreign stock investment/FDI in EUROPE and second in the world) outweigh the upfront costs.:meeting:

So yes, Britain risks losing some of that negotiating power by leaving the EU, but we will also be free to establish our own trade agreements, but that will take time(are we ready to bare the cost of doing so when we have a choice of not getting to this point?).

Its true that Brexiters have a point about taking control of our laws over immigration. However, we can still reform our immigration laws even today and follow the Australian skilled migrant system instead of letting in uneducated illiterate refugees who contribute nothing to our country/economy. Its our government who has not been wlling enough to regulate our immigration system, can't blame the E.U for this. In fact, according to the Office for National Statistics, there are just about 1million eastern Europeans, Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK, along with almost 800,000 western Europeans ,BUT THERE ARE 2.93m workers from outside the EU, with China and India being the biggest source of foreign workers in the UK.:help:o_O:agree:

So even if we were to leave the E.U this won't change, since non E.U countries like China and India don't fall under E.U laws even today, so we can regulate and prevent them from coming here in such large numbers if we wanted even today, but we don't, so can't blame the E.U for that. :sick: As I always said, don't blame others for you faults and shortcomings, blame yourself.
At the end of the day, i(like most brits during Scottish independence referendum) will still vote to remain. Nobody seem to like uncertainty/risks/change into the unknown. lol

However, having said that the E.U needs to seriously reform to address our concerns(yes, this include no fucking European useless Army.lol ) else next time we have a referendum over this, we will definitely be leaving the E.U.,:)

Good points overall but I will say there will never be another opportunity. The reason why the result is so close is because of older voters. It's sad to say that the young are just not as patriotic as the elder generation and will be less likely to break from the EU. The political will is also not there. It is again the older parts of the conservative party driving the leave campaign e.g. Lawson, Lamont and the older back bench folks. Labour are remain through and through, from their elders to the young, and if it were up to the Liberal Democrats they would have us part of a United States of Europe. You only have UKIP after that.
It's now or never.
 
Funny, but we don't need those countries mentioned.
The polls are neck and neck and I'm out. It's time to embrace the world rather be locked into a system controlled by Brussels
How would UK - Pakistan relation's benefit Brexit?
 
I don't think we should trust polls and only asking 1K doesn't represent the millions of brits that will vote on thursday nor their thoughts.
We remember when the polls said that the tories and labor were neck and neck and finally,the tories got the majority. :P
There are millions of young people who won't vote, which isn't reflected in the polls but it's a big boost to the Leave side.
 

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