Breaking news: Snipers kill 5 , injure 11 police officers in Dallas during protest

[Falcon29]

May they rest in peace, this anti-cop mentality is growing in the US, generally among less educated folks, that support reckless behavior of all kinds. On an young adult level, these college students believe they can disrespect, taunt and yell at cops if they get caught violating the law or in possession of drugs. And if cops try to be reasonable, and it doesn't work, then they cry 'Police brutality!'. People think their behavior is justified and that they should be permitted to have 'my way or highway' mentality. And this is sad growing trend.

Then you have the situation with people resisting arrest, not just blacks. Or making threats that they are armed and are reaching out for their weapons. What foreigners need to understand, is the US is unlike a foreign nation. For example, in some Arab nations, you can talk or walk near the cops all you want, even dispute a matter with them, they will indulge in long discussion with you and settle the matter. There is no case where cops are in any risk from ordinary population, besides targets of terrorism. This is because the culture is different. In the US, not everyone is stable in the head, and you have to suspect the worse from ordinary people, because there are many random acts of violence that could arise from simple altercations. This is why you must comply with law enforcement through and fully. And if you make threats, they are bound to take you seriously, because police officers have been shot dead before.

So you can't complain about 'trigger happy' police, even though they aren't, when there is culture where you can't trust everybody, there are people with criminal pasts that aren't mentally stable and will try to screw over police if they think they can get away with it. The attitudes towards police aren't good among a large minority either.

Now regarding the shootings, I believe lethal force should be last resort, but then again, it's only a matter of seconds between life and death situation, you can't play guessing game with someone making threats, that has a concealed weapon. And regarding the ambush, many cops were killed/injured because they were stationary in a road block or something of that sort near the demonstrations that took place. And hence the gunmen used some DMR type rifle, or assault with scope, doesn't seem like sniper rifle.

 

[Yeezy]

If the shooters are blacks with grievances against white police officers, this is not going to bode well for the black community at large. The backlash to the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement are going to be so great that not even black celebrities can help.

The justice system has failed to convict cops who unjustly kill black people or are involved in police brutality. Also the whole police force in the US refuses to address this problem. This problem cannot be brushed under the rug any longer. It was only a matter of time that cops were going to be targeted by blacks who have been continuously discriminated and murdered. In 2016, the police does not stand to serve and protect but instead instill fear and hatred in minorities.

BLM whether people like them or not are still largely peaceful and I highly doubt that these shooters belonged to BLM. This event should not steer our focus away from police brutality against people of colour.

Maybe this event may finally initiate a sort of dialogue and eradicate unjust police killings of people of colour. America is immensely divided and it is only a matter of time a race war begins and we see riots like those in 92.

 

[3Kingdoms]

The justice system has failed to convict cops who unjustly kill black people or are involved in police brutality. Also the whole police force in the US refuses to address this problem. This problem cannot be brushed under the rug any longer. It was only a matter of time that cops were going to be targeted by blacks who have been continuously discriminated and murdered. In 2016, the police does not stand to serve and protect but instead instill fear and hatred in minorities.

BLM whether people like them or not are still largely peaceful and I highly doubt that these shooters belonged to BLM. This event should not steer our focus away from police brutality against people of colour.

Maybe this event may finally initiate a sort of dialogue and eradicate unjust police killings of people of colour. America is immensely divided and it is only a matter of time a race war begins and we see riots like those in 92.

DATA: 990 people shot dead by police 2015

494 White
258 Black
172 Hispanic
038 Other

F**k! Black lives matter

 

[Yeezy]

DATA: 990 people shot dead by police 2015

494 White
258 Black
172 Hispanic
038 Other

F**k! Black lives matter

Yikes, I usually don't respond to ignorant pieces of shit but I'll do you a favor. Learn to analyze data more better. I'll give your presented "statistics" the benefit of the doubt and take them as being accurate. 258 black people being shot dead by the police is 26%, this is a largely disproportionate number as black people only make up less than 13% of the population. There is also a problem of unarmed black men being murdered by the police. You have to be immensely ignorant and racist to ignore this problem.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Red Wolf]

DATA: 990 people shot dead by police 2015

494 White
258 Black
172 Hispanic
038 Other

F**k! Black lives matter

African-Americans represent 13.2% of the U.S. population and Hispanic/Latino Americans amount to 17%. Non-Hispanic Whites totaled about 62.06% of the U.S. population. In percentage terms,

494 White (49.89%) represents 62.06% of the U.S. population.
258 Black (26.06%) represents only 13.2% of the U.S. population.
172 Hispanic (17.37%) represents 17% of the U.S. population.

Essentially, Non-Hispanic Whites are much less likely to be shot dead by a police officer in U.S. compared to Hispanic/Latino Americans, while African-Americans are twice as likely to be shot dead by a U.S. police officer. This is what your data shows.

 

[3Kingdoms]

Yikes, I usually don't respond to ignorant pieces of shit but I'll do you a favor. Learn to analyze data more better. I'll give your presented "statistics" the benefit of the doubt and take them as being accurate. 258 black people being shot dead by the police is 26%, this is a largely disproportionate number as black people only make up less than 13% of the population. There is also a problem of unarmed black men being murdered by the police. You have to be immensely ignorant and racist to ignore this problem.

You can't make this stuff up.

Labeling me a racist is cheap tired cliche for empty-heads. If you go by per capita, you spin the result because there are certainly more whites. Sane care about actual quantity data.

“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks." PolitiFact. 1999 to 2011

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to MacDonald in a speech at Hillsdale College.

Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 12 percent of the population. But as MacDonald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

"Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.

MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

"The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."

Post Shooting

 

[Red Wolf]

Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks." PolitiFact. 1999 to 2011

Again, African-Americans represent 13.2% of the U.S. population. Non-Hispanic Whites are about 62.06% of the U.S. population. Hence, PolitiFact says this statement is a "half-truth",

From the PolitiFact article:

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


Source: PolitiFact

 

[Indika]

So here is one uncomfortable statistic for you...

off topic but if you say statistics then ,
Ebbe Skovdahl once noted that "statistics are just like mini-skirts, they give you good ideas but hide the most important thing".

 

[gangsta_rap]

Disturbing to see all of these uncle toms here

 

[3Kingdoms]

Again, African-Americans represent 13.2% of the U.S. population. Non-Hispanic Whites are about 62.06% of the U.S. population. Hence, PolitiFact says this statement is a "half-truth",

From the PolitiFact article:

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


Source: PolitiFact

That's manipulated data comparing outcome with race demographic inwhich reverses the 'death by race count' because blacks have an extremely low percentage compare to whites. I would rather make solutions from actual quantitative measure.

Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

Try to manipulate and spin the above stat.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Again, African-Americans represent 13.2% of the U.S. population. Non-Hispanic Whites are about 62.06% of the U.S. population. Hence, PolitiFact says this statement is a "half-truth",

From the PolitiFact article:

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


Source: PolitiFact

Well you have to take income/poverty/location into account.

If an area is densely populated..you have more potential crime witnesses than a less densely populated area.
If an area is densely populated and poor...you probably have higher crime rates per square km.
If an area is densely populated and has high crime per sq km...there is probably a higher police presence due to larger community pressure.

So the poor densely populated areas are more heavily policed than the less densely populated areas..even if those less densely populated areas are also poor areas.

Unfortunately most densely populated poor areas in the US are in areas of cities..and it is more likely these areas have demographics which do not reflect the national averages.

The incarceration demographic is lopsided due to a large number of arrests in poor and heavily policed areas.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

Try to manipulate and spin the above stat.

Your paragraph says they were CHARGED, not convicted though.

 

[TaiShang]

Its high time they ban guns in USA. Atleast carrying/transporting weapons must be severely controlled.

First, RIP to the fallen.

It is not about guns.

It is about racial conflict.

In this case, the problem started with the police (allegedly) killing two innocent civilians.

Unless they ban guns in the hands of the police, the problem will continue because the police killings (right or wrong) will continue. And it will create more resentments and violence.

Banning guns in the US, at this point, may make the innocent even more vulnerable to violence.

Besides, it is way beyond banning the guns, any more.

The society seems to be armed to the teeth. I guess that's enough for each dissident groups to form their own little armed militia. Besides, it will create its own perfect black market, which is yet another form of crime by itself.

 

[3Kingdoms]

Your paragraph says they were CHARGED, not convicted though.

OK virtual cookie for you! But here, take a look see;

Racial Disparities in Incarceration
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

• African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
• African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
• Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
• According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
• One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
• 1 in 100 African American women are in prison
• Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).

 

[Red Wolf]

That's manipulated data comparing outcome with race demographic inwhich reverses the 'death by race count' because blacks have an extremely low percentage compare to whites. I would rather make solutions from actual quantitative measure.

Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

Try to manipulate and spin the above stat.

Using your own "quantitative measure" approach, Whites commit more crimes in U.S. than any other group.

In 2012, charges were laid in 9,390,473 cases across U.S. for which the race distribution is:

White: 6,502,919 (69.3%)
Black: 2,640,067 (28.1%)
American Indian or Alaskan Native: 135,165 (1.4%)
Asian or Pacific Islander: 112,322 (1.2%)

Source: FBI.gov