Ofcourse there will be someone first to build the narrative, that's how it works in any narrative building exercise. It's the constant peddling of it to this day by western intellectuals and media. So how do you counter it? You build you own based on facts, that all these terrorists who killed 80k Pakistanis citizens, including our school children, they all came from American/Nato occupied Afghanistan, and they must be held accountable. You just cant stand there and accept the non sense thrown at you and not fire back in anger.
There is a degree of Freedom of Expression in USA. The US Department of State will not throw Seymour Hersh in jail for a book.
This is how his book was received in American Centers of Power nevertheless:
Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...
www.vox.com
You can take him to the courts for his book however. But no Pakistani have bothered to; not even GOP.
If you present your 'narrative' to Seymour Hersh in a debate with him, it may have value because you would be trying to beat him in his own game (understandable). But you are selling your 'narrative' on PDF instead where Forum Rules are to be enforced to maintain order. Please do check Forum Rules and let me know.
Based on Facts =
Yes
Based on Assumptions/Propaganda of Russia and/or Questionable Politicians* =
No
*
Your blind trust on these are misplaced. To give you some perspective, when Pakistan closed its route for NATO due to Salala tragedy and demanded apology for it, Russia opened its route to NATO instead. Russia will want to fight USA on
your shoulder instead. If you are smart however, you will court both but
not lend
your shoulder to any side
at your expense. This is why it is important for you to look at the bigger picture and not restrict yourself to tunnel vision.
Now as you put it:
What I would request you and people who look at things from foreign nations narrative and take it on face value, please drop it and start looking things purely from Pakistani narrative and perspective.
Russia and Hamid Karzai are Pakistani sources?
Now here is another thing. WE Pakistani can be wrong as well. WE can misread developments as well. So who will correct us? Are WE infallible or something? This is why WE have debates and criticism.
Blind nationalism is a slippery slope as well; a pathway to FITNA and FASAAD. Please consider German Nazi movement as a Case Study. It led to World War and countless loss of lives.
Learn to be 'nationalistic' and 'sensible' at the same time.
Moderation emphasized.
If you are not convinced yet then understand this. Allah Almighty have pointed out in Holy Quran to not mix Truth with Falsehood in your statements intentionally.
"And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it]." - Surah Al-Baqarah (verse 42)
Mixing of truth with falsehood helps create misunderstandings and fuel hate and conflict(s) by and large. FITNA and FASAAD to be precise.
WE - as Muslims - are supposed to be better in our practices than non-Muslims around the world. How are WE different from them otherwise?
I dont understand your fascination with religious extremism , the same old narrative of America and its allies. Name me one terrorist activity that Al qaeeda did in Pakistan before and after the occupation of Afghanistan. How many of those 80k Pakistanis died in Al Qaeeda related terrorism? Is there any account in your books of these Pakistani citizens who died AFTER American occupation of Afghanistan? Or we have to be held hostage, mentally, morally , narrative wise under the burden of those few thousand Americans who died in world trade centre, whose death had nothing to do with Pakistan and its citizens? 80k Pakistanis vs few thousands Americans, which side you are on?
You are actually denying the well-documented Fact of religious extremism in Pakistan? This is the narrative of America and its allies now? Dear Lord.
I bear witness to 'religious extremism' in person; I have experienced this issue first hand in a supposedly professional working environment (University). Me and my two colleagues (one male and female) received threats from politically-motivated extremist(s) for working on a project.
Not just the above; I bear witness to TLP protests as well. TLP blockades created significant problems for
the innocent on the roads. To give you some perspective, I was taking my mother to a hospital and a drive of 25 minutes turned into a drive of 140 minutes. It was really bad and frustating.
reads.spcrd.org
Madiha Afzal, a young Pakistani economist, details the rise of religious extremism in Pakistan and explains how the state has been both complicit in extremist violence and victimized by it. She offers a useful survey of the many pressures—cultural, religious, economic—that add to social and...
www.foreignaffairs.com
Imran Khan is struggling with a dilemma of his own making
www.economist.com
What weed are you smoking, bro?
Do
not make
loss of innocent lives in a war
as the basis to dismiss one of the fundamental problems of Pakistan (i.e. religious extremism). The notorious Al-Qaeda Network found refuge in Pakistani backyard due to religious extremism and shared sentiments. And
it brought WAR to our region eventually -
not by attacking Pakistani people
but by attacking 'others' in the Middle East and Americans abroad. These are well-documented developments and themes.
Do you expect me to spoonfeed you everything? Put your searching skills to good use instead.
No 'sane' Pakistani welcomes WAR in our region. Me neither. But what to do about
Bad Apples in our
backyard? Allow them to flourish and attack 'others' and then get pounded by 'others' as well?
SOLUTION is to push
both 'troublemakers'
out from our region.
TERRORISM is GLOBAL PROBLEM due to religio-political non-state actors being out of control and/or challenging the writ of a state when confronted in any region.
For the first time since it was invaded by U.S. forces in 2003, Iraq is no longer the country worst affected by terrorism. Instead, another country invaded by the U.S. two years earlier now holds that unwelcome title.
www.forbes.com
The Al-Qaeda Network was composed of
Foreigners as well - expelled and rejected by even the likes of Sudan and KSA but they were welcomed in Afghanistan.
Inside Al Qaeda examines the leadership, ideology,structure, strategies, and tactics of the most violentpolitico-religious organization the world has ever seen....
www.jstor.org
Wake the hell up.
India will always be a nuisance until a final solution is found for this entity, but in Afghan scenario, again, its presence on Afghan soil was totally dependant on American sponsorship and patronage. A fact clearly demonstrated just recently when India did the runner as soon American withdrawal became inevitable. I keep on repeating, the buck stop at the top. America, its institutions, its intelligence, is answerable to the Pakistani deaths.
And
Iran.
And
UK (your 2nd home) was also the undisputed partner of
USA in this mission. Crusade against Pakistan perhaps?
I am sorry, you cant ignore the terrorism campaign against Pakistan and its citizens waged for last twenty years from American occupied Afghanistan. Its beyond treason, and highly disrespectful to our dead, including our school children. You want the real terrorists to be ignored and let off the hook, likes of me will never do that. Your narrative will always keep Pakistan on back foot, and if you have any doubt, listen to the Moeed interview with UK think recently. All same old non sense, OBL, ISI, Taliban. If you do not confront western intellectuals with their own countries culpability in spreading terrorism within mainland Pakistan, you will always be pushed and taken for a ride.
I am not ignoring 'any' reality;
I have clearly mentioned that I understand all that you said in your previous post. You are ignoring numerous realities and shifting goalposts for me in your responses however.
Treason? This word is thrown around so easily. May I ask what are you doing in the land of infidels (and crusaders) then? Are you not supposed to fight them for killing so many Pakistani back home? I am sorry but I cannot stand blatant hypocrisy while it is shoved in my direction in order to negate my arguments on questionable grounds. Please try to carry a conversation in its original CONTEXT and not deviate it from it too much. Word of caution for you.
I have confronted
Western dis-intellectuals over the image of Islam and Holy Prophet (PBUH) in another Forum when the situation called for it. The kind of shit I had to endure from
Trumpers is not suitable to discuss here. But I maintained my composure and addressed numerous misconceptions thrown my way. These people have entirely different mindsets shaped by distinct political environments.
Debate is still the best way to address them. I will pick up a gun only to defend myself, and not to hurt somebody.
You are more than welcome to put
Western intellectuals in their place as you see fit. I am not stopping you. But try to base your arguments on Facts and come to terms with problems in your own backyard. People will listen to you when you will have integrity.
In my books - WRONG is WRONG. And SPADE is SPADE. This is how WE should roll in person. Thanks.
