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Not a single K-8 or JF-17 has been exported by Pakistan.
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan on Monday signed deals to supply basic trainer aircraft to the Iraqi Air Force and help train its personnel, sparking hopes it can secure further deals as the Middle Eastern country tries to rebuild its air arm.

Analysts are generally skeptical large-scale deals will be in the offing, but concede it is possible.

The Associated Press of Pakistan reported that agreements to provide training and development assistance for the Iraqi Air Force and for Super Mushak trainer planes were signed by the head of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt, and the commander of Iraq’s Air Force, Gen. Anwer Hamad Amen Ahmed.

A nine-member Iraqi defense delegation, which included the commander of Iraqi air defense, Gen. Jabbar Ubaid Kedhum, has been in Pakistan since last week, visiting facilities such as the Air Force academy at Risalpur and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra, the home of Pakistan’s aviation industry.

According to a government press release, they also met with Pakistan’s minister for defense production, Tanveer Hussain, and were offered training and the full range of training aircraft, from basic propeller-driven planes to intermediate jets, plus communication equipment.

Defense Ministry officials here would not comment on the number of aircraft involved or the value of the Iraqi deal.

However, analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said 20 aircraft, including training and spares, are being acquired for US $94 million.

The Super Mushak, a propeller-driven, two- to three-seat aircraft, is a Pakistani version of the Swedish Saab Safari/Supporter. With some modifications, it was built under license as the MFI-17 Mushak (Proficient), and serves with Pakistan’s Air Force and Army.

It is used for primary and basic flight training; instrument, night, navigation and formation flying; liaison; and forward air control. Six under-wing hardpoints can carry a range of light rockets, bombs and gun pods.

Pakistan has exported the aircraft to Egypt, Iran, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Syria.

The Super Mushak features a more powerful 260-horsepower Textron Lycoming six-cylinder engine, electrical instrumentation, dual controls and a fuel injection system.

Twenty each are in service with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and it is a contender for Turkey’s basic trainer program.

The aircraft “is a very good buy, considering that it has an up-rated engine and glass cockpit now. It is a proven design and will serve them well,” Shabbir said.

But overall, Shabbir said the training deal is more important.

“The [Pakistan Air Force] trained Iraqi pilots in the past, [along with Iranian pilots during the Shah’s time], and this will open up further opportunities for both countries,” he said.

The training deal is for basic pilot training and worth US $90 million. Shabbir is optimistic about further deals, such as a C4I system similar to one sold to Bangladesh, and perhaps UAVs.

Despite this success, Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, , said Pakistan’s ability to secure further large-scale equipment deals is uncertain.

“From all accounts, the Iraqi delegation’s visit to Pakistan went very well, and they were especially impressed by the aeronautical complex at Kamra,” he said.

However, “The problem for Pakistan, so far as provision of manufactured aircraft is concerned, is that the Iraqis have already purchased almost all they need elsewhere. The Mushak is an excellent aircraft of its type, and it is good for Pakistan that a sale has been made, but in comparative terms, there isn’t much money involved,” he added.

Even the offer of further training deals may be too late.

“Pakistan is very keen to offer training to the Iraqi Air Force, but this is already being effected in the US for pilots, and ground crew have been learning English in Jordan,” Cloughley said.

“South Korea is also training pilots for the T-50IQs being supplied, and there is some training carried out elsewhere,” he added.

The South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle is an advanced trainer jet/light multirole fighter. It is being developed into the FA-50 lead-in fighter trainer/light fighter.

Though it appears the mainstay of Iraq’s airpower will be 36 F-16IQ fighter jets, the future composition of Iraq’s Air Force is uncertain, and whether the FA-50 may interest Iraq is unknown.

At the same time, Pakistan has been promoting the somewhat similar Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder, and has showcased it to Iraqi officials.

Shabbir said that despite the acquisition of the T-50s, if Iraq is to opt for a high-low combination of aircraft types, Pakistan could have a chance.

Past deals indicate Pakistan could still secure some further defense sales, he said.

“Iraq has also bought armored vehicles ... from Pakistan as well, and there is a good chance of Pakistan bagging some of the small arms and ammunition [mortar and artillery] contracts,” he said.

Iraq purchased 44 Talha tracked armored personnel carriers and 60 Mohafiz internal security vehicles from Pakistan in 2006. ■
Pakistan Sells Trainer Aircraft to Iraq, Seeks Further Contracts | Defense News | defensenews.com

Now go cry in a Hal factory.
 
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Don't tell us your opinion...Give us facts...Like CAG mentioned only 35% Tejas is indigenous...After 30 years, isn't it should be around 70% indigenous? Now if a 30 years product have 35% indigenous components, don't tell me how much indigenous are other products...!

Anyways, its the thread about Tejas...It would be nice to see Tejas vs JF17 in bahrain :tup::tup:


First of of all,Who said LCA is only 35% Indigenous ? CAG

Now here is what they actually said


In response to an Audit query (July 2014) regarding the extent of indigenisation in LCA, ADA claimed (August 2014) that indigenous capability developed worked out to 70 per cent of the LCA content in terms of value.Audit observed (August 2014) from the CCS Note submitted (August 2009) for extension of FSED Phase-II that indigenous Line Replaceable Units1 (LRUs) had been developed with the imported electronic components and accessories. In response to audit query (August 2014) on the extent of indigenous content, ADA clarified (October 2014) that the LRUs were built in-house using imported components with indigenous design qualifications and certification efforts and hence indigenous content had been worked out at LRU level. ADA, however, further stated that the indigenous content of LCA worked out to about 35 per cent considering the use of imported components and accessories in LRUs

That's a big if,right ?
 
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Don't tell us your opinion...Give us facts...Like CAG mentioned only 35% Tejas is indigenous...After 30 years, isn't it should be around 70% indigenous? Now if a 30 years product have 35% indigenous components, don't tell me how much indigenous are other products...!

Anyways, its the thread about Tejas...It would be nice to see Tejas vs JF17 in bahrain :tup::tup:


Yeah son...I have brain, not a chest thumping machine like you is fitted in my mind...! Nor do i consider Pakistan a SUPER POWER :rofl::rofl:
OK Fine Just Tell Me WHICH PARTS OF JF-17 ARE DESIGNED , TESTED& MADE IN PAKISTAN :azn:
 
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How INDIGENOUS is HAL Dhruv. :lol:

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First of of all,Who said LCA is only 35% Indigenous ? CAG

Now here is what they actually said


In response to an Audit query (July 2014) regarding the extent of indigenisation in LCA, ADA claimed (August 2014) that indigenous capability developed worked out to 70 per cent of the LCA content in terms of value.Audit observed (August 2014) from the CCS Note submitted (August 2009) for extension of FSED Phase-II that indigenous Line Replaceable Units1 (LRUs) had been developed with the imported electronic components and accessories. In response to audit query (August 2014) on the extent of indigenous content, ADA clarified (October 2014) that the LRUs were built in-house using imported components with indigenous design qualifications and certification efforts and hence indigenous content had been worked out at LRU level. ADA, however, further stated that the indigenous content of LCA worked out to about 35 per cent considering the use of imported components and accessories in LRUs

That's a big if,right ?

NEW DELHI: India cannot fight a war beyond 15-20 days due to crippling shortages in its ammunition stocks. To add to its woes, the home-grown Tejas light combat aircraft is still nowhere near being combat-ready despite being in the making for over 30 years.

This grim reality of the critical shortfall in ammunition reserves adversely impacting the operational readiness of the 1.18-million Army as well as the problems dogging the Tejas fighter, which has led to a sharp fall in the number of IAF fighter squadrons, has been repeatedly highlighted by TOI.

On Friday, it was made official by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India. In reports tabled in Parliament, the audit watchdog attacked the Tejas Mark-I jet for being just about 35% indigenous and falling short on as many as 53 technical requirements, greatly reducing its capabilities and survivability in combat.
India faces severe ammunition shortage, can fight war for only 20 days: CAG - Times of India

How INDIGENOUS is HAL Dhruv. :lol:

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You Nailed it :rofl::rofl:
 
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How INDIGENOUS is HAL Dhruv. :lol:

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Does it matter are we short of cash or are we under any kind of sanctions at the end of the day what matters is do we and how we use them and how effective they are rest all is bull excreta :lol:
 
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How INDIGENOUS is HAL Dhruv. :lol:

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Already busted claim..

Next time,tell the authors of your blog to find a better picture of Dhruv,& not the rudra

1.Design

MBB is only employed by HAL to provide consultancy for the basic ALH design and has no involvement with any of the military variants of the helicopter.The West German engineers have been advising at every stage of the development process. Their numbers have varied from 30 to the present 15 at the Bangalore site. This must be set against a HAL design team of 250 engineers assisted by 700 technicians.

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1990/1990 - 1719.PDF



2.Engine

For its first application, the Dhruv, a first engine variant christened the Ardiden 1H1 (or "Shakti" in India), offering a power of 1,400 shp, is jointly developed and producted with HAL.

Turbomeca - Ardiden

3.Self-Defense system is foreign?What is brought,is the MAWS sensors that are a part of Indian developed Multi Sensor Warning System used in Dhruv

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4.fuel tanks, floatation equipment and related gaskets and seals for the ALH are now manufactured locally (article itself states it )

5.MFDs are now manufactured Indigenously.And Israeli Avionics are not a part of every Dhruv,Customer can chose between Indian & Israeli Avionics.This is a fact most of us are well aware of.

Aero India 2003 - Part 6

6.Anti Resonance vibration Isolation System (ARIS) is Indian

7.Automatic flight Control system (AFCS) is Indian

8.Retractable Landing Gear is indian

9.The Guns & Rocket Launcher are not a part of Dhruv,they are for Rudra helicopter.
I guess S 70 Battlehawk is not American,as it uses the same THL 20 gun..Agusta A129 /TAI T-129 is not Indigenous because it uses American M197 Gatling gun..

10.AVCS is not present in all Dhruvs,it is a recent addition.

NEW DELHI: India cannot fight a war beyond 15-20 days due to crippling shortages in its ammunition stocks. To add to its woes, the home-grown Tejas light combat aircrat is still nowhere near being combat-ready despite being in the making for over 30 years.

This grim reality of the critical shortfall in ammunition reserves adversely impacting the operational readiness of the 1.18-million Army as well as the problems dogging the Tejas fighter, which has led to a sharp fall in the number of IAF fighter squadrons, has been repeatedly highlighted by TOI.

On Friday, it was made official by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India. In reports tabled in Parliament, the audit watchdog attacked the Tejas Mark-I jet for being just about 35% indigenous and falling short on as many as 53 technical requirements, greatly reducing its capabilities and survivability in combat.

Mr.Genius,

I am quoting the CAG report mentioned in your article
 
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+ A lot of Indian so called "Indigenous" Projects are also made by foreign imported components and they brag about Pakistani JV programs...Hypocrisy at its best...!
The LCA isn't a JV, it has been designed, produced, tested and certified from the ground up in India, by Indians.

Like most modern aircraft it features sub-components from third parties, but so what?

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Comparing the Indian projects like ALH or LCA to Chinese produced products that you assemble in SKD kits is almost absurd to the point I can't beleive you are being serious.

No LCA has ever been loaded into a IAF transport and delivered to India from a foreign nation:

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The+PAF%25E2%2580%2599s+IL-78MKPs+were+spotted+at+Chengdu+three+days+ago+for+loading+the+CAC-built+JF-17s+in+semi-knocked-down+condition+and+ferry-flying+them+to+PAC+Kamra+%25281%2529.jpg

(^Chengdu, China)
 
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