BREAKING: El-Sisi announces Arab League 'agrees in principle' to form a joint military force

[AUz]

How will Arab countries integrated their forces into one command and control for synchronized tactical and strategic maneuvering. Some Arab countries have Russian weapons, some American, and even Chinese and so on. Arab World must work towards becoming a "Arab Union" first with economic, political, and social integration. There needs to be a working political system that delivers for all.

Sisi's, Assads, Gaddafis, Ben Ali's etc aren't reflective of stable political system. Arab World wide "Shura" should be there with representation from all (From Muslim Brotherhood brand, to salafis (non-violent), to tribal concerns, to Arab royal families, to Sisi's, to seculars)..You see how difficult it is? But THAT is the challenge. To be great, you have to overcome such challenges. Otherwise, you become like Mongolia (irrelevant..even if at one point of history you were the top dogs)....

Only if Arabs could muster enough will and intellectual capacity (common currency, economic integration, management of united Arab-land etc needs TREMENDOUS intellectual resources) to create an effective, stable, and working Arab-Islamic union. It is a tremendous task.

Any union must recognize the differences present within Arab society. You can't have a complete secular union/society..and you also can't have extreme Sharia-based union where everyone is forced to wear niqabs and stuff.

Therefore I wrote "Arab-Islamic" union whereby it is Islamic enough to satisfy vast masses of Arab populace (even groups like MB and their aspirations (religious, not political) should taken into consideration), and moderate enough that secular-ish elites/upper classes/progressives can accept it.

It is a momentous task..but if Arabs...out of this current chaos..are able to establish something like this, history would remember them as greats.

Otherwise, current chaos is making Arabs seem like subsaharan africans..not capable of withholding modern civilization and just butchering each other with most cruel ways. Hopefully, Arabs will not go down in history with this as their "true representation"...

@Saif al-Arab

 

[SrNair]

Israel is the prime factor . Look at what they did in US Iran deal.They will do anything for their existen
@hunter_hunted.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Of course in theory nothing prevents any Muslim country from attacking Israel but the consequences will be dire due to the reasons I stated. We are saying the same just different words.

You have demonstrated in this thread that you are not following the news or operations. ISIS is being dealt by a coalition that consist of several Arab countries. So far no country (not even the US) have send any ground troops outside of a few advisers to defend military bases in Iraq.

"ISIS have full support of the Western countries"? Please explain that claim.

The terror cult the Houthis are the biggest danger to KSA currently as they are next to our borders. They have openly been threatening KSA and are trying to conquer all of Yemen and turn it into another Southern Lebanon for the terror Mullah's in Iran. We won't tolerate that.

Once again the coalition in Yemen is also aimed at fighting AQAP. We support the legitimate Yemeni government - the same Yemeni government that has been fighting against AQAP for years.

Ever heard of John McCain meeting with Daesh and did you came across the news that Jets were seen dropping weapon caches in ISIS controlled area. I have nothing more to say, you guys dont know the situation your comparisons are totally wrong and you are lecturing others.

It doesn't matter how many Rafael Egypt purchases or how many coalitions you make end story is there is no will and no good calculations are being done by this coalition

 

[Saif al-Arab]

How will Arab countries integrated their forces into one command and control for synchronized tactical and strategic maneuvering. Some Arab countries have Russian weapons, some American, and even Chinese and so on. Arab World must work towards becoming a "Arab Union" first with economic, political, and social integration. There needs to be a working political system that delivers for all.

Sisi's, Assads, Gaddafis, Ben Ali's etc aren't reflective of stable political system. Arab World wide "Shura" should be there with representation from all (From Muslim Brotherhood brand, to salafis (non-violent), to tribal concerns, to Arab royal families, to Sisi's, to seculars)..You see how difficult it is? But THAT is the challenge. To be great, you have to overcome such challenges. Otherwise, you become like Mongolia (irrelevant..even if at one point of history you were the top dogs)....

Only if Arabs could muster enough will and intellectual capacity (common currency, economic integration, management of united Arab-land etc needs TREMENDOUS intellectual resources) to create an effective, stable, and working Arab-Islamic union. It is a tremendous task.

Any union must recognize the differences present within Arab society. You can't have a complete secular union/society..and you also can't have extreme Sharia-based union where everyone is forced to wear niqabs and stuff.

Therefore I wrote "Arab-Islamic" union whereby it is Islamic enough to satisfy vast masses of Arab populace (even groups like MB and their aspirations (religious, not political) should taken into consideration), and moderate enough that secular-ish elites/upper classes/progressives can accept it.

It is a momentous task..but if Arabs...out of this current chaos..are able to establish something like this, history would remember them as greats.

Otherwise, current chaos is making Arabs seem like subsaharan africans..not capable of withholding modern civilization and just butchering each other with most cruel ways. Hopefully, Arabs will not go down in history with this as their "true representation"...

@Saif al-Arab

Great post @AUz . Thanks for your serious contribution.

What you say is correct and this will depend on the will of the regimes. We the Arab people want such a thing to happen but whether our regimes want that to occur is yet to be seen. It seems that they have reached a point where something must be done hence this important agreement and hopefully decisive agreement for the future.

It's in their hands. The opportunities are countless but by virtue of that so are the opportunities of failure of not living up to the expectations.

I have been saying for years that the Arab world needs political changes first and foremost. More inclusion of the people in the political life. We need to develop like our European neighbors in order to make something like the EU and make it successful. As long as there are those divides it will be very difficult unless we can all unite against common enemies and work for crucial common goals. As long as there is injustice there will be people who will look towards militancy and other destructive initiatives.

One such common goal is security and the fight against groups such as ISIS, Al-Nusra, Houthi's or whatever they are called or of defending each other in case of an outside attack.

As you say then the challenges are very big but if we succeed the sweeter it will be and then we might fulfill our enormous potential. Millions of Arabs deserve better starting from our Palestinian brothers and sisters.

Ever heard of John McCain meeting with Daesh and did you came across the news that Jets were seen dropping weapon caches in ISIS controlled area. I have nothing more to say, you guys dont know the situation your comparisons are totally wrong and you are lecturing others.

It doesn't matter how many Rafael Egypt purchases or how many coalitions you make end story is there is no will and no good calculations are being done by this coalition

Those are idiotic conspiracy theories. John McCain has never met with any ISIS fighters. Just because 1 jet or two in a coalition of hundreds of jets conducting hundreds of air raids made an unintentional drop of weapon cashes it does not mean that they are supporting ISIS.

I am not saying that there are not many things that we don't know about but this theory seems to be a little too far-fetched.

Read my posts instead of playing Nostradamus. We will have to see what will happen. This step is a great step and that is good.

 

[SBD-3]

How will Arab countries integrated their forces into one command and control for synchronized tactical and strategic maneuvering. Some Arab countries have Russian weapons, some American, and even Chinese and so on. Arab World must work towards becoming a "Arab Union" first with economic, political, and social integration. There needs to be a working political system that delivers for all.
@Saif al-Arab

Weapons wont be a problem.
For Air asstes
KSA:F-15s/Tornadoes/EF-2000
UAE:F-16s/Mirages
Qatar:Mirages
Bahrain:F-16s
Morocco:F-16s
Egypt:F-16s.
Likewise for ground forces.

Sisi's, Assads, Gaddafis, Ben Ali's etc aren't reflective of stable political system. Arab World wide "Shura" should be there with representation from all (From Muslim Brotherhood brand, to salafis (non-violent), to tribal concerns, to Arab royal families, to Sisi's, to seculars)..You see how difficult it is? But THAT is the challenge. To be great, you have to overcome such challenges. Otherwise, you become like Mongolia (irrelevant..even if at one point of history you were the top dogs)....

That I agree is the reality. The Arabs have a history of maintaining differences and this is likely to continue in future as well.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Great post @AUz . Thanks for your serious contribution.

What you say is correct and this will depend on the will of the regimes. We the Arab people want such a thing to happen but whether our regimes want that to occur is yet to be seen. It seems that they have reached a point where something must be done hence this important agreement and hopefully decisive agreement for the future.

It's in their hands. The opportunities are countless but by virtue of that so are the opportunities of failure of not living up to the expectations.

I have been saying for years that the Arab world needs political changes first and foremost. More inclusion of the people in the political life. We need to develop like our European neighbors in order to make something like the EU and make it successful. As long as there are those divides it will be very difficult unless we can all unite against common enemies and work for crucial common goals. As long as there is injustice there will be people who will look towards militancy and other destructive initiatives.

One such common goal is security and the fight against groups such as ISIS, Al-Nusra, Houthi's or whatever they are called or of defending each other in case of an outside attack.

As you say then the challenges are very big but if we succeed the sweeter it will be and then we might fulfill our enormous potential. Millions of Arabs deserve better starting from our Palestinian brothers and sisters.



Those are idiotic conspiracy theories. John McCain has never met with any ISIS fighters. Just because 1 jet or two in a coalition of hundreds of jets conducting hundreds of air raids made an unintentional drop of weapon cashes it does not mean that they are supporting ISIS.

I am not saying that there are not many things that we don't know about but this theory seems to be a little too far-fetched.

Read my posts instead of playing Nostradamus. We will have to see what will happen. This step is a great step and that is good.

Ok whatever you say boss whatever you say..... Keep playing Ostrich

 

[SOHEIL]

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Ok whatever you say boss whatever you say..... Keep playing Ostrich

Ok, the West is supporting ISIS. What do you propose that we do then? Since the West can annihilate the Muslim world in the blink of the eye this means that we are doomed.

 

[asad71]

How will Arab countries integrated their forces into one command and control for synchronized tactical and strategic maneuvering. Some Arab countries have Russian weapons, some American, and even Chinese and so on. Arab World must work towards becoming a "Arab Union" first with economic, political, and social integration. There needs to be a working political system that delivers for all.

Sisi's, Assads, Gaddafis, Ben Ali's etc aren't reflective of stable political system. Arab World wide "Shura" should be there with representation from all (From Muslim Brotherhood brand, to salafis (non-violent), to tribal concerns, to Arab royal families, to Sisi's, to seculars)..You see how difficult it is? But THAT is the challenge. To be great, you have to overcome such challenges. Otherwise, you become like Mongolia (irrelevant..even if at one point of history you were the top dogs)....

Only if Arabs could muster enough will and intellectual capacity (common currency, economic integration, management of united Arab-land etc needs TREMENDOUS intellectual resources) to create an effective, stable, and working Arab-Islamic union. It is a tremendous task.

Any union must recognize the differences present within Arab society. You can't have a complete secular union/society..and you also can't have extreme Sharia-based union where everyone is forced to wear niqabs and stuff.

Therefore I wrote "Arab-Islamic" union whereby it is Islamic enough to satisfy vast masses of Arab populace (even groups like MB and their aspirations (religious, not political) should taken into consideration), and moderate enough that secular-ish elites/upper classes/progressives can accept it.

It is a momentous task..but if Arabs...out of this current chaos..are able to establish something like this, history would remember them as greats.

Otherwise, current chaos is making Arabs seem like subsaharan africans..not capable of withholding modern civilization and just butchering each other with most cruel ways. Hopefully, Arabs will not go down in history with this as their "true representation"...

@Saif al-Arab

These and the fact that most of the govts are non-representative, had made Pakistani PM Suhrowardy term such ventures," Zero plus zero equals to zero". The Arabs were thereafter mighty anti-Pakistan till Saif ul Azam shot down those Israeli fighters in seconds.

 

[Kambojaric]

If successful could be a game changer in the region, but somehow I doubt its success. There are outside parties with too much vested interests in keeping the Middle East unstable. What would they gain by a strong militarily united Middle East?

 

[mike2000]

You have a good typing speed i give you that ..... Stop saying this "Nothing Prevents" the fact is that you are being prevented by urself and Uncle Sam. Israel will not use nukes they know what will happen if they will use nukes ....

If this is your coalition then im truly sorry to say that it sucks big time. ISIS cannot be dealt by this coalition. and ISIS have full support of Western countries . Your comparison of houthis with ISIS tell how much you guys are wrong. ISIS spans countries and houthi are in small area

WTH?? Attack Israel?? The Arabs know they cant do shit to Israel. Israel whooped their combined *** in the 6 days war and took most of their land which it still holds till this day. If they were to launch another war against Israel they themselves know they will be humiliated once again and Israel would just expand even further and seize their lands . LMAO.

Arabs/muslim countries in the region know this, reason since the war, they havent dared try anything funny/war against small Israel again ever, rather they signed peace treaties/partnerships with Israel after their humiliating defeat, which is more rational/commendable. Simple truth is Israel is simply too powerful/ahead/advanced than any country in the middle east. If they ever tried anything funny against Israel they will be annihilated. So better for them to just console thgemselves by fighting/killing each other, at least that way theyu can show how #powerful' they are.lool In fact even Turkey couldnt do shit when Israel killed their peace activist sailing to gaza.lool So that just shows you how all countries in the region are scared of Israel. Dont mess with the little Israel.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

WTH?? Attack Israel?? The Arabs know they cant do shit to Israel. Israel whooped their combined *** in the 6 days war and took most of their land which it still holds till this day. If they were to launch another war against Israel they themselves know they will be humiliated once again and Israel would just expand even further and seize their lands . LMAO.

Arabs/muslim countries in the region know this, reason since the war, they havent dared try anything funny/war against small Israel again ever, rather they signed peace treaties/partnerships with Israel after their humiliating defeat, which is more rational/commendable. Simple truth is Israel is simply too powerful/ahead/advanced than any country in the middle east. If they ever tried anything funny against Israel they will be annihilated. So better for them to just console thgemselves by fighting/killing each other, at least that way theyu can show how #powerful' they are.lool In fact even Turkey couldnt do shit when Israel killed their peace activist sailing to gaza.lool So that just shows you how all countries in the region are scared of Israel. Dont mess with the little Israel.

Here comes our Arab-obsessed friend that has no clue about the Arab world at all. Did you see any Arab here call for any war against Israel?

Israel can't do shit against the Arab world either. Unless they want to commit suicide. Times have changed.

Also only 4-5 Arab countries were involved in those wars and unlike them Israel fought for their very existence and had more competent officers and there were no internal rivalries/treason among Israelis. Let alone full support of the West. Those wars are not relevant anymore. The only thing Israel has in their favor is their nukes and political support of the US. Nothing else.

I suggest that you read the great article that I posted in post number 5 in this thread.

@Frogman

 

[opruh]

 

[mike2000]

Here comes our Arab-obsessed friend that has no clue about the Arab world at all. Did you see any Arab here call for any war against Israel?

Israel can't do shit against the Arab world either. Unless they want to commit suicide. Times have changed.

Also only 4-5 Arab countries were involved in those wars and unlike them Israel fought for their very existence and had more competent officers and there were no internal rivalries/treason among Israelis. Let alone full support of the West. Those wars are not relevant anymore. The only thing Israel has in their favor is their nukes and political support of the US. Nothing else.

I suggest that you read the great article that I posted in post number 5 in this thread.

@Frogman

I was replying to you pakistani friend. Since they always seem to want to turn any debate about Arab intra fighting(not like they are Arabs alast i chekced) towards Israel (same with Iranians trying to do the same). I myself know that Arab/gulf states have to realise that its best to cooperate/partner or at least remain neutral towards Israel than engaging in any imaginary war/conflict or proxy war with Israel(like Iran is doing with it terrorist group Hamas). It serves no real purpose, so i commend Arab/gulf states for nbeing realistic/pragmatic enough to accept Israel is here to stay and will only grow stronger with time. So its better to look for way to accept this reality.

Yes Arab states cant really do anything against Isrel anyway, since militarily Israel dwarfs every country in the middle east by a wide margin and also has a big diplomatic support, So no country in the middle east can go against Israel militarily and survive, less they will be isolated like Iran(north Korea of the middle east) if they even tried sponsoring proxies gainst it. You say Isreael just relies on U.S diplomatic support alone, but thats not the only thing, Israel is a military powwer in iits own right and a technological powerhgouse known all over the world from Africa to America to Asia etc. Do you even know the U.S gets some of its dfrone tech from Israel?? do you know Israel exports more drones than even the U.S?? do you know Israel is among Indias top 3 military providers?? Do you know even China tried to import drone tech from Israel(though it was vetoed by the U.S) and they are investing heavily in Israels start up/tech companies since they know Israel is a tech powerhouse. How many middle eastern countries have ever export their own tech to the U.S,India or China like Israel has??lool In fact theyawalways do the oposite.lool Better to accept reality and try to improve yourselves than burying your heads in sand and pretending everything is ok.

Finally im not Arab obssesed, why will i be obssesed about a region/countries who are far behind us in all aspects/fields and are fighting 17th century like religious wars??lool This is a discussion forum, so everybody is free to comment on any topic. if you had said im East Asian obssessed it would have been more reasonable if you said so, since at least countries in East Asia are quite advanced and striving for development/industrialisation, and they can indeed be a real competitor/challenge to the west/U.S in the long term(thats if they can unite first.lol). But the Arab world?? LMAO. NO COMMENT.