BrahMos Storage Complex Under Construction in Halwara

[KrimesKaster]

There will still be Muslims, Afghans, Baloch, Kashmiris, Gilgit-Baltistanis and overseas Punjabis and Sindhis left to continue Pakistan's cultural legacy. There will be no trace of India left on earth - every temple, historical site, and document - will burn to ashes. The diaspora Indians might mourn the death of their country for a generation or two - the whole world would mourn a tragic nuclear war after all - but all of the young Indians will eventually forget their culture and assimilate with the West.

In nuclear war ALL of it, leaving over-seas Pakistani (including Afghanistan) will be dead. I highly doubt overseas Pakistan will have any impact on India after that. Pakistan's culture is great! It will continue in places which are safe. India will rid itself of mortal enemy though -- at a MASSIVE MASSIVE cost.

..... and you have not mentioned about the soiled pajama of Rajiv, after listening to Zia ul Haq.

When India will be invaded with nukes by Pakistan, it won't matter AT ALL whose pants or underpants are soiled or dried. Most of decisions will be automated or scripted. There will not be time for thinking left.

 

[arjunk]

Judging by the fact that India has no policing at all

India has a lot of policing - if the police fails, the CRPF/Army/whatever will come and enforce law and order like in NE India and Kashmir.

Few million deaths but then it will be back to normal. India is and has always been a massive chaos so nuclear bombs will just be a bit more of stirring the pot.

"Few million?" A nuclear attack on Delhi and Mumbai alone would kill around 20 million people.

I can't believe I'm arguing with a schizo who thinks nuclear war is winnable.

 

[Basel]

India seems to be genuinely thinking about, and from the looks of some of their recent reveals (canesterized weapons) strategizing using counterforce against Pakistan. They seem to believe that they can take out in one first giant nuclear strike all of Pakistan’s strategic capability, and that whatever capability is left with Pak - India can withstand a few hits.

You are right, it seems that Indian leadership is thinking that way too but they seems to have many points on which they are working on and one of which is massive and rapid strike against Pakistan using all their air, land and sea capabilities, there is a reason IN submarines are lurking around Pakistani coast line since 2019 at least.

 

[Basel]

Trouble for Pakistan will be, the small distances and small reaction time involved. Unlike ballistic missile, a cruise missile like P-800 (original name for Brahmos) will fly much lower and will be detected quite late to do a strike on launch. You will only realize that missile has been launched when it has struck. So, after that you will have to decide if you want to retalite with nuke and invite nuke retaliation on your self or to continue with conventional.

You are right that response time is limited and some missiles will strike but what you missed is that Pakistan keep vigilant watch on other side of border that is why we were able to pick launch ready deployment (27.02.2019) of Brahmos missiles and to counter it we also rapidly deployed our assets too, its not as easy for India to strike as many thinks.

 

[notorious_eagle]

In nuclear war ALL of it, leaving over-seas Pakistani (including Afghanistan) will be dead. I highly doubt overseas Pakistan will have any impact on India after that. Pakistan's culture is great! It will continue in places which are safe. India will rid itself of mortal enemy though -- at a MASSIVE MASSIVE cost.

The massive cost with be the end of the Indian civilization and India as a whole. 350 nukes lobbed at the right targets is enough to ensure not a single soul inside India survives.

Its laughable that Indians think they will come out okay in a nuclear exchange, when Pakistan possess more nuclear warheads then India.

 

[RoshiniVenegal]

The massive cost with be the end of the Indian civilization and India as a whole. 350 nukes lobbed at the right targets is enough to ensure not a single soul inside India survives.

Its laughable that Indians think they will come out okay in a nuclear exchange, when Pakistan possess more nuclear warheads then India.

350 is a wayy overkill, entire Asia or even world will end. Around 4 to 5 fir Pakistan and 10 to 15 for India is enough to wipe out both.

 

[KrimesKaster]

The massive cost with be the end of the Indian civilization and India as a whole. 350 nukes lobbed at the right targets is enough to ensure not a single soul inside India survives.

Wrong. First Pakistan does not have 350 war heads. Second a single 50-60 kt warhead cannot kill more than 1 million souls, even a 100 kiloton warhead cannot kill more than that. No matter how you lob them, you will not be able to kill more than 400 million people. Still 1 billion people will be left. You simply do not have enough ammunition to kill enough people. Lastly, Pakistan does not have anything to mobilize its entire nuclear weapons stockpile. Not to mention, a majority of its weapons are actually battlefield tactical ones. Pakistan's planners want to fight a nuclear war with India but only so that they can push India's large conventional edge back.

Fighting a strategic nuclear war with India is neither in capability nor in plans of Pakistan. Otherwise they would not have stopped testing weapons and would have developed 100s of kilotons yield weapons not these 10s of kiloton weapons of sub-kiloton tactical ones.

350 is a wayy overkill, entire Asia or even world will end. Around 4 to 5 fir Pakistan and 10 to 15 for India is enough to wipe out both.

Actually, it will not be anything. MORE leathal and bigger bombs have been tested. Thankfully, neither India, nor Pakistan has world ending capability. Indian can certainly destroy Pakistan as a whole nation and Pakistan can cause massive massive amount of deaths in India but harming entire world? You must be joking. Entire arsenal of India and Pakistan put together is not large enough to even compare with one single H-bomb test done by China in 1967 or so.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Its laughable that Indians think they will come out okay in a nuclear exchange, when Pakistan possess more nuclear warheads then India.

Its not the number of warheads but the yields and delivery platforms matter too. Pakistan does not have high yield warheads nor enough delivery platforms. IF India goes for a first use, Pakistan will not have any chance to use even 5% of its arsenal.

You are right that response time is limited and some missiles will strike but what you missed is that Pakistan keep vigilant watch on other side of border that is why we were able to pick launch ready deployment (27.02.2019) of Brahmos missiles and to counter it we also rapidly deployed our assets too, its not as easy for India to strike as many thinks.

India had ceased hostilities after its first false strike in balakot itself. Their minister said it. There was no declaration of any further escalation. The fact that they were showing used A2A missiles to US was evidence enough that India wanted a diplomatic intervention at that point of time. Elections were in the air and a false sense of victory was enough. A lie that Indian airforce had shot down a F-16 was enough for the purpose this strike was made and was enough. The fact that they wanted their pilot to be returned instead of anything else was again a sign that the entire episode was a set-up for domestic consumption; to show Modi as a hero who punishes enemy and protects its own soldiers.

Pakistan returned the said soldier due to international intervention done by USA. It was the US pressure.

 

[KrimesKaster]

India has a lot of policing - if the police fails, the CRPF/Army/whatever will come and enforce law and order like in NE India and Kashmir.

India is the rape, lynching, corruption, beggars and theives capital of the world. All the police and para military is busy with Kashmir and North east. Rest of the India runs on jungle law. So nukes will be like pissing in an ocean of piss.. It wont matter. Not in break down of law and order. There is none in India.

"Few million?" A nuclear attack on Delhi and Mumbai alone would kill around 20 million people.

I can't believe I'm arguing with a schizo who thinks nuclear war is winnable.

When I say few million, I mean few 100 million. 300-400 millions.

Actually, Indians are now insular to death. Corona itself caused 10 million deaths.

 

[Goenitz]

They took them out but their movements were alerted to Pakistan because there was a satellite pointing at their facilities after intelligence came on their intentions

US or Chinese?

They have fired at abandoned nuclear facilities. "2" as per off course rumors.

na karo bhai...

 

[SaadH]

India has a lot of policing - if the police fails, the CRPF/Army/whatever will come and enforce law and order like in NE India and Kashmir.


"Few million?" A nuclear attack on Delhi and Mumbai alone would kill around 20 million people.

I can't believe I'm arguing with a schizo who thinks nuclear war is winnable.

20 million is drop in the bucket for India. They recently lost up to 10 million people from COVID and didn't even bat an eye.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Its not the number of warheads but the yields and delivery platforms matter too. Pakistan does not have high yield warheads nor enough delivery platforms.

Here is the thing though, no one can be sure what the yield of Pakistan's nukes are. I am not sure where you're getting that Pakistan does not has enough delivery platforms because Pakistan's platforms are dispersed throughout the country.

IF India goes for a first use, Pakistan will not have any chance to use even 5% of its arsenal.

IF is the key word. Both sides monitor each other's nukes very closely and majority of Pakistan's nukes are stored and designed to survive the first strike.

Pakistan returned the said soldier due to international intervention done by USA. It was the US pressure.

Also because Pakistan wanted to lower the tension. There was consensus on both military political circles to ease the tensions and return the pilot.

 

[HRK]

Here is the thing though, no one can be sure what the yield of Pakistan's nukes are. I am not sure where you're getting that Pakistan does not has enough delivery platforms because Pakistan's platforms are dispersed throughout the country.



IF is the key word. Both sides monitor each other's nukes very closely and majority of Pakistan's nukes are stored and designed to survive the first strike.



Also because Pakistan wanted to lower the tension. There was consensus on both military political circles to ease the tensions and return the pilot.

Bhai why are you wasting your time the member you are responding I believe is previously banned Indian member @randomradio ....

He will not understand your logical replies.

 

[peagle]

This number counting game regarding nuclear war is completely retarded.

Let's go with this argument that 400 million Indians die and the rest survive, whist no Pakistani within Pakistani borders survives, lets go with this scenario.

Do you really think nuclear war is some kind of a virus like Covid19?
People die where they stand, or from an illness being looked after in a hospital whilst rest of the life goes on, What a stupendously ridiculous conclusion.

Every nations administrative structures are in urban areas, and they tend be centred in a small area. A bomb will destroy almost all administrative structures in a city, multiply that and you have a nation with no governing structures intact, without the means to deliver or organise anything.

Then there is damage to the water supplies,
damage to agriculture and the eco-system,
long term cost to the people who survive the nuclear explosions,
long term effects from the radiation cloud and effects of radiation on agricultural productivity.
The disruption to the economic supply system,

The effects of nuclear rain and nuclear cloud in the wider region and around the world.
The world will be trying hard to protect itself, they will not come running to save India with aid, they will be condemning whoever survives.

There is an endless list of horrendous aftereffects, here we are discussing number of deaths as if that's the only thing that will matter.

SO OK, India survives,
To give it an analogy, if India survives without arms and legs,
with just the deformed head and body, nothing else intact, then that's fine, you go ahead and survive after a nuclear war.
It is not hard to imagine what kind of survival that would be.

These people are seriously retarded.

 

[Black Tornado]

Why do Pakistanis bring nuclear weapons in every discussion related to hypothetical conflicts? No one will use it even if wants to.