Bombs and beatings: Life among the Taliban

[DaRk WaVe]

AT can not face fire power of ISAF until they get stinger , they could fight back due ISAF cobra helicopters advantage.

Using IED's is their gurrilla war strategy which is sucessfull because majority of ISAF forces casaulties are due to IED's.

Definately talaban dont want civilian casualties but they have no other better option.

they have been slaughtering people like Chickens, & you are saying that they 'definitely' don't want civilian casualty, should i show you some cut throat Footage

& by 'no better option' you mean its all right if Civilians get killed by the IEDs intended for ISAF, right, Thanks

 

[waraich66]

the talibani crimes in AFghanistan can be divided into 2 phases, before the americans in AFghanistan and after that. what do you think about their crimes against the civilians when they entred the houses, killed every single men and women on the basis of ethnicity and shia-sunni prejudice? they demolished every village and city on their way, cut off the fruitful trees and left the poor people with nothing, they even took women from those areas.

we can talk about their horrible crimes after the americans later on.

Are you refering to the war between Talaban and Gen Dostem( supported by Iran)?

It was war but i dont think Talaban did any crimes which you are refering?

 

[Ahmad]

Are you refering to the war between Talaban and Gen Dostem( supported by Iran)?

It was war but i dont think Talaban did any crimes which you are refering?

when they they took some areas, they masacared ordinary people and civilians, i am not talking about the fighters. the fighters can kill each other as much as they like, they choose that way and nobody should mourn about them. the hell with both dostom and mullah omarak. hope you understand what i mean this time. no matter how many proofs i present to you, you keep on defending the undefendables.

 

[waraich66]

they have been slaughtering people like Chickens, & you are saying that they 'definitely' don't want civilian casualty, should i show you some cut throat Footage

& by 'no better option' you mean its all right if Civilians get killed by the IEDs intended for ISAF, right, Thanks

ISAF used desi cutters and tomo hawk missiles , PB etc which caused more civilian deaths then IED's.

 

[Ahmad]

they have been slaughtering people like Chickens, & you are saying that they 'definitely' don't want civilian casualty, should i show you some cut throat Footage

& by 'no better option' you mean its all right if Civilians get killed by the IEDs intended for ISAF, right, Thanks

you know what, in one of the provinces in Afghanistan the Taliban spotted a young boy who was talking to the american soldiers apparantly improving his english. the taliban came to his house in the dark night and cut his head from his body.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

ISAF used desi cutters and tomo hawk missiles , PB etc which caused more civilian deaths then IED's.

I never said that ISAF, Tomohawks & JDAMs have 'Taliban recognition sensors'

i know about the 'desi' cutter used by Taliban

How Pathetic it is, you are indirectly justifying the Civilians consumed by Taliban IEDs

you know what, in one of the provinces in Afghanistan the Taliban spotted a young boy who was talking to the american soldiers apparantly improving his english. the taliban came to his house in the dark night and cut his head from his body.

Then people say affected should not abuse these Idiots

 

[Ahmad]

ISAF used desi cutters and tomo hawk missiles , PB etc which caused more civilian deaths then IED's.

the reports by UNAMA says otherwise. more than 75% of the casualities are due to the taliban attacks mostly suicide and less than 23% is due to allied forces. by the way, the taliban killed dozens of children( school children) who had gathered an official ceremony of opening a factory in their area. people were very happy because that factory was solving some part of the unemployment issues. the taliban attacked and many many many civilians as well as dozens of school childern were killed. one family had lost their 3 sons, let me know what you think about this. and what do you think about the killing of Ajmal Naqshbandi if you read the report by chance?

 

[waraich66]

I never said that ISAF, Tomohawks & JDAMs have 'Taliban recognition sensors'

How Pathetic it is, you are indirectly justifying the Civilians consumed by Taliban IEDs



Then people say you should not abuse these Idiots

What should they do with ISAF ? Please suggest better option?

Critisim for sake of critisim will not work.

 

[S-2]

Despite ISAF's considerable firepower, it is the taliban who've shown the greatest disregard for the lives of afghan civilians. No doubt ISAF has made mistakes and shall continue doing so.

However, it is clear by McChrystal's orders on Rules of Engagement that he recognizes the serious nature of the problem and has instituted measures to diminish the threat. Our forces have become very, very careful about the use of airstrikes, artillery, and helicopter attacks. This despite the protection it can afford to our men. We assume, therefore, greater risks to assure the protection of Afghan civilians.

UNAMA's latest report makes that clear. Those that died by the hands of ISAF decreased last year while those whom died by the taliban's hands INCREASED. The difference was nearly 3:1 and the data can be easily extracted from the report.

Worse, the taliban's use of IEDs as their primary weapon has needlessly endangered these civilians. So too the nature of those attacks-bombs planted on trails and roads routinely used by civilians.

It gets worse as NOTHING rationalizes suicide bombers who detonate their devices amidst civilians-even when legitimate military targets might be within proximity. It is not as though ISAF forces can't be easily found throughout Afghanistan nor that there aren't numerous instances where only they are present. Yet bombers will plunge themselves into the midst of their targets without regard for those innocents around them.

And worse again is the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians. Yes, civilians as the primary target. Suicide bombers, IEDs, and rocket/mortar attacks have been committed with the express purpose of terrorizing the afghan civilian population. Both UNAMA and HRW (Human Rights Watch) have made this clear repeatedly.

Finally, the taliban have engaged in numerous targeted killings without any justifications.

All this in addition to documented instances of taliban using afghan civilians as HUMAN SHIELDS as well as numerous cases of acid and chemical attacks upon afghan school-girls.

2412 afghan civilians died last year. Over 1630 by the taliban's hand while only 596 by ISAF and that number continues to fall while those killed by the taliban increase.

Thanks.

 

[waraich66]

the reports by UNAMA says otherwise. more than 75% of the casualities are due to the taliban attacks mostly suicide and less than 23% is due to allied forces. by the way, the taliban killed dozens of children( school children) who had gathered an official ceremony of opening a factory in their area. people were very happy because that factory was solving some part of the unemployment issues. the taliban attacked and many many many civilians as well as dozens of school childern were killed. one family had lost their 3 sons, let me know what you think about this. and what do you think about the killing of Ajmal Naqshbandi if you read the report by chance?

UN is US financed organisation , why US dont allow un baised media ie. Al Jazera for reporting in Afghanistan?

 

[Ahmad]

There is one more thing i need to add, the taliban have totally civilian clothing and you cant distinguish between a civilian and a taliban fighter. on the other hand, Afghan Army, Pakistani Army and the Americans are in military uniforms. if pakistani army or afghan army mistake a civilian with a taliban then it is understandable, but how can you say that the taliban cant distinguish between afghan/pak army and a civilian? and still the killing of civilians by the taliban is more than 3 times than the others. if they are not deliberately targeting the civilinans then what it is.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Civilians are only dying because a small extremist segment of Afghanistan got addicted to power and abuse of it. We have seen from the multiple analysis offered that they are fighting for nothing more than power. They are but a mere political entity (a lunatic fringe one) that represents a by-gone era when you could do such sh!t and get away with it. Not anymore, repercussions and consequences are to be felt globally in this day and age. Now what the Taliban should do from here on out? Heed the cries of their fellow Afghans and ISAF...put down the weapons and represent themselves properly in a political manner. Even Saddam's Republican Guard didn't put up such a stiff resistance.

 

[Ahmad]

UN is US financed organisation , why US dont allow un baised media ie. Al Jazera for reporting in Afghanistan?

AFghanistan has free press, free TVs which can easily and freely criticize everybody including the americans and afghan gov, you dont understand Farsi and Pashtoo to see what is going on in Afghanistan's media. although there are some occasions that afghan gov have restricted some people's activities temporarily. this is wrong but we have never had such level of freedom in our long history. anyone can come and report, nobody is banned. dont you see al jazeera is regularly reporting from all corners of afghanistan like the other famouse TV channels. it is upto them to produce a survery, afghan gov cant force them to do so. if you dont have any other source of information then you dont have a choice but to accept it.

 

[Ahmad]

Civilians are only dying because a small extremist segment of Afghanistan got addicted to power and abuse of it. We have seen from the multiple analysis offered that they are fighting for nothing more than power. They are but a mere political entity (a lunatic fringe one) that represents a by-gone era when you could do such sh!t and get away with it. Not anymore, repercussions and consequences are to be felt globally in this day and age. Now what the Taliban should do from here on out? Heed the cries of their fellow Afghans and ISAF...put down the weapons and represent themselves properly in a political manner. Even Saddam's Republican Guard didn't put up such a stiff resistance.

brother, they know they are hated in afghanistan. otherwise they can easily join political process. if they do so, it will be the end of the road for them. people will spit on their faces and abondan them with the excpetion of some killers.

 

[waraich66]

Despite ISAF's considerable firepower, it is the taliban who've shown the greatest disregard for the lives of afghan civilians. No doubt ISAF has made mistakes and shall continue doing so.

However, it is clear by McChrystal's orders on Rules of Engagement that he recognizes the serious nature of the problem and has instituted measures to diminish the threat. Our forces have become very, very careful about the use of airstrikes, artillery, and helicopter attacks. This despite the protection it can afford to our men. We assume, therefore, greater risks to assure the protection of Afghan civilians.

UNAMA's latest report makes that clear. Those that died by the hands of ISAF decreased last year while those whom died by the taliban's hands INCREASED. The difference was nearly 3:1 and the data can be easily extracted from the report.

Worse, the taliban's use of IEDs as their primary weapon has needlessly endangered these civilians. So too the nature of those attacks-bombs planted on trails and roads routinely used by civilians.

It gets worse as NOTHING rationalizes suicide bombers who detonate their devices amidst civilians-even when legitimate military targets might be within proximity. It is not as though ISAF forces can't be easily found throughout Afghanistan nor that there aren't numerous instances where only they are present. Yet bombers will plunge themselves into the midst of their targets without regard for those innocents around them.

And worse again is the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians. Yes, civilians as the primary target. Suicide bombers, IEDs, and rocket/mortar attacks have been committed with the express purpose of terrorizing the afghan civilian population. Both UNAMA and HRW (Human Rights Watch) have made this clear repeatedly.

Finally, the taliban have engaged in numerous targeted killings with any justifications.

All this in addition to documented instances of taliban using afghan civilians as HUMAN SHIELDS as well as numerous cases of acid and chemical attacks upon afghan school-girls.

2412 afghan civilians died last year. Over 1630 by the taliban's hand while only 596 by ISAF and that number continues to fall while those killed by the taliban increase.

Thanks.

ISAF cammander know very well Talaban are fear less fighters and also that they can not win this war against them because of local support and difficult terrain , their is possibility Afghan government involved in civilian deaths to damage the image of Talaban at interational level?