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Bomb Blasts blam game What A JOKE

Averröes said:
it took the indians years to find out that the train accident which killed 100 + (dont remember figure) and let to the burning of muslims alive in Gujarat was caused by a mechanical error.

The hindus still defend it saying where ithas been announced that it was an accident? which court has given verdict? and so on

Ah i think they are right cuz indian courts are busy in giving verdicts and announcing punishment in attack on Hindu Tempal so it dosnt have time to look into the killings of 2000 Muslims see how simple :smile:
 
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Asim Aquil said:
These are videos OF the Indian government officers and officials cheering on the riots.
Chief of ISI has been castrated for 9/11 with evidence, does it mean that Pakistani Govt was involved in Sept 9/11?
Riots should not happen. Thats what he should say. Anything else is justification.
A good sermon, nevertheless not practical enough. In a sensitive area like Gujarat riots will happen if there is a slight disturbance, same as in Karachi.
If you killed me, it would not be right for my brother to come n kill your brother.
Heh, its internet, you can mask your intentions, while I dont. Be practical.
But even in Practice ever so often they CHOOSE to kill Minorities.
The govt does not kill anybody but terrorists.
Thats what you've chosen to hear.
You are pushing the limits, and you will hear what you chose to hear then.
Blame without evidence is worth zilch. Will any of what you got fly in court?
Leave it to the govt to prove it, India is not asking to punish Pakistan, but so far the evidence point to Pakistan. In current legal terms, lets say Pakistan is right now picked up for questioning.
Oh India's been at it for a longer time than we have. Remember Indira Gandhi? "We will destroy Pakistan through our media?"
Let me put it simple, our CEO does not have a PR dept to soften our image.
In Pakistan the criminals of sectarianism are outlawed groups. In India orchestrators of Muslim killing riots using Hindu fanatics are: The Government, The Police, The Chief Minister and his supporter the Prime Minister.
Vajpayee never supported Modi, and if the case is proved Modi will shown be the door, unlike...


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Jana said:
The hindus still defend it saying where ithas been announced that it was an accident? which court has given verdict? and so on
Ah i think they are right cuz indian courts are busy in giving verdicts and announcing punishment in attack on Hindu Tempal so it dosnt have time to look into the killings of 2000 Muslims see how simple :smile:
Other than your ranting, I dont see you presenting any evidence which says other wise. Remember, evidence rules, not your rambling. :D1
 
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Rajinder Puri

In response to President Musharraf’s request for evidence of Pakistani complicity in the Mumbai blasts, the Indian government has demanded
that Dawood Ibrahim and Syed Salahuddin should be deported to India. It is a pathetic response. And seeking deportation of Salahuddin sounds like a sick joke. It revives memories of the criminal complicity of the Indian establishment in allowing terrorism to grow from its modest beginnings.

Syed Salahuddin was a minor politician who contested elections in the J-K Assembly poll. He believed he was robbed of victory through rigging. He became a militant. He rose to become eventually the head of the Hizbul-e-Mujahideen and took sanctuary in Pakistan. Salahuddin first came under the scanner of Indian authorities in the Jain Hawala case. The case was originally a TADA case. The original charge sheet described how two Jain hawala case militants, Ashfaque Hussain Lone and Shahbuddin Gohri, visited the Kashmir Valley to interact with Salahuddin. The Hizbul at the time was a fledgling organization. Lone, was the deputy intelligence chief of the Hizbul and he introduced Gohri to Salahuddin and Mohammed Ashan Dar. Salahuddin briefed Gohri on how to help the Hizbul. Later both Salahuddin and Dar rose to become leading militants.

But these and other leads against terrorists were abandoned when the Jain Hawala case was converted from TADA to a corruption case. This was done to protect the forty-odd leading politicians who received hawala money from the same conduits that funded terrorism. Among the leading politicians who were listed in the diaries of having received the hawala money were the late Rajiv Gandhi, the late Madhav Rao Scindia, the late Devi Lal, Mr LK Advani and Mr Sharad Yadav. There was therefore vested interest cutting across party lines to have the case scotched.

The CBI, with the Supreme Court turning a blind eye, succeeded in doing that. The case was dismissed due to insufficient evidence. Former Chief Justice Mr JN Verma headed the Bench that on a day to day basis monitored the investigation by all agencies in the case. After retirement he publicly blamed the CBI and said the Jain Hawala case should be reopened. After 9/11 US authorities woke up. Mohammed Atta involved in the 9/11 conspiracy was funded by Pakistani terrorists. That led the USA to focus on the crucial need to choke hawala operations in order to tackle terrorism. That was precisely what the Jain Hawala case sought to accomplish. At that time the maze of illegal funding which made politics, business and terrorism separate tentacles managed by a single octopus had not grown to its present gargantuan dimensions.

In the light of this, however harsh the truth, citizens should dispassionately consider whether the corrupt and compromised present Indian political Establishment can ever effectively fight terrorism.

(The author, a veteran journalist and a cartoonist, was a petitioner in the Jain hawala case)

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2&theme=&usrsess=1&id=123999
 
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Jay_ said:
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Links...eh? I did give a link for Shia killings, I can give more, just ask me, the other thing I claimed was the commision setup after Godhra is still continuing its investigation, and I gave proof for that as well, I think you will not ask me a link about former ISI Chief's involvement with ALQ/Taliban. I will always try to substantiate my accusations with links, if not I'll right away say "I think", I dont claim it as a fact.
 
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Jana said:
The hindus still defend it saying where ithas been announced that it was an accident? which court has given verdict? and so on

Ah i think they are right cuz indian courts are busy in giving verdicts and announcing punishment in attack on Hindu Tempal so it dosnt have time to look into the killings of 2000 Muslims see how simple :smile:

We have courts and to say bluntly; you wont know how it works even if i try explaining it to you.So i wont care.

Why is that smiley at the end of your post???You consider 200 dead at something you can smile at...is that what u meant.
 
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Jay_ said:
Other than your ranting, I dont see you presenting any evidence which says other wise. Remember, evidence rules, not your rambling. :D1

Yeh you are right :D1 thats why indian rambling regarding Bombay blasts dosnt matter ;)

My ranting as compare to Indian official ranting in this case is nothing
 
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Jana said:
Yeh you are right :D1 thats why indian rambling regarding Bombay blasts dosnt matter ;)
My ranting as compare to Indian official ranting in this case is nothing
Atleast they have a case to rant...200 people died coz of terrorist bombing. What do you have in your defence?
 
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VIEW: Muslim reactions to Mumbai blasts —Yoginder Sikand

In the wake of the blasts, several Muslim organisations all over the country have organised meetings to condemn them, to argue that Islam does not allow such heinous deeds and to demand that the government constitute an impartial investigation into the blasts. They have appealed to Muslims to struggle for their constitutional rights as citizens of India through democratic means

Although the recent bomb blasts in Mumbai have been widely condemned by numerous Indian Muslim organisations and leaders, their voices have gone unheard in large sections of the Indian media or else have received only passing mention. While the identity of the perpetrators of the blasts is still uncertain, scores of Muslims have been arrested by the police in different parts of the country. Muslim and human rights organisations claim that many of these people are innocent and have nothing whatsoever to do with militancy. Always on the prowl for any excuse to hound Muslims, the Hindutva lobby has seized the opportunity created by the blasts to castigate the entire Muslim community.

Muslims from a wide cross-section of society I have interacted with in Delhi in recent days are visibly upset about the way in which the Mumbai blasts have been used to tarnish the image of the community. They argue that, in the absence of firm evidence, it is unfair to blame Muslims for the blasts. They insist that before coming to any conclusion regarding the identity of the perpetrators the government must institute an impartial inquiry. While they admit that the blasts could indeed have been the handiwork of some Muslims or a radical Islamist group, they argue that the culprits the could equally possibly have been a non-Muslim outfit, who might have engineered the blasts to trigger anti-Muslim sentiments to win public support for an anti-Muslim vendetta.

Heena, a college student, tells me, “Yes, a self-styled Islamist group may have orchestrated the blasts. Or, perhaps, relatives of some Muslims massacred recently in the state-sponsored pogroms in Gujarat, in order to seek revenge. Who knows? But the blasts could just as easily have been carried out by some Hindutva, Zionist or Western group or some such anti-Muslim agency in order to blame Muslims and give them a bad name. Till such time as the identity of the culprits is confirmed, we should desist from passing judgment.”

“Islam condemns the killing of innocent people”, says Wali, a shopkeeper in Matia Mahal. “Even if the blasts were engineered by some Muslims, why should the entire Muslim community be condemned for it?” Wali speaks of how the Mumbai blasts, coming close on the heels of similar blasts in Varanasi and Delhi, have only further entrenched deeply held anti-Muslim prejudices among many Hindus. “If the blasts were orchestrated by some anti-Muslim group to give Muslims a bad name, they’ve succeeded in their mission”, he says. “But”, he hastens to add, “if some radical self-proclaimed Islamist group or the Pakistani ISI were responsible, they’ve done the greatest possible disservice, not just to India as a whole, but also to the Indian Muslims themselves, who now feel even more threatened and insecure than before.”

“The blasts are totally unwarranted and no religion can sanction this, no matter who has done it, whether Muslims or Hindus or someone else”, says Hussain, a shopkeeper in Dariya Ganj. “But”, he also asks, “why is it that when three thousand or more Muslims were recently killed in a state-sponsored pogrom in Gujarat, the Hindutva lobby and the wider Hindu society did not express similar outrage? Why is it that Modi, who orchestrated the pogroms, is still sitting comfortably in his chair?” “Why”, he wants to know, “are Hindutva goons, who indulged in such an orgy of bloodshed in Gujarat and elsewhere, not condemned as terrorists? Why are they instead projected as patriots? Why have the Hindus responsible for the massacre of thousands of Sikhs in 1984 and the murder of I don’t know how many Dalits not been brought to justice?”

Hussain reminds me of the literally several thousand cases of communal riots, anti-Muslim pogroms and police killings of Muslims that have happened in India since 1947. “Not a single person involved in these heinous crimes has been hanged”, he claims. “Jamshedpur, Mordabad, Bhiwandi, Nellie, Aligarh, Hyderabad, Gujarat — the list is endless, and the number of innocents, mostly Muslims, killed runs into tens of thousands”, he says in despair. “Yet, they have not got justice and the state has done nothing at all to rope in Hindutva terrorists.” He tells me about the brutal slaying of some 50 innocent Muslim youths by the Provincial Armed Constabulary in 1987 in the notorious Hashimpura massacre. No action was taken against the accused. Instead, some of them were promoted.

Several Muslims I have met in recent days relate that, particularly after the Mumbai blasts, they feel a heightened sense of insecurity when they venture outside Muslim localities, mostly squalid ghettoes in which they have been condemned to live. Wasim, a madrassa student in Zakir Nagar, says that when in a bus he usually gets strange looks from passengers, who recognise him as a Muslim from his beard and skullcap. Arjimand, a sales executive, relates that he recently sought to rent a house in an ‘upper caste’ Hindu locality because his wife insisted that they should move from the Muslim ghetto of Batla House. “When the landlord found out that we were Muslims, he flatly refused to let out his flat to us, telling us bluntly that he did not want Muslim tenants.”

Many Muslims I have recently met relate some such anecdote. They point out that such cases of prejudice against Muslims are not new, but they also claim that they have mounted in recent years, thanks to incidents like the Mumbai blasts.

In the wake of the blasts, several Muslim organisations all over the country have organised meetings to condemn them, to argue that Islam does not allow such heinous deeds and to demand that the government constitute an impartial investigation into the blasts. They have appealed to Muslims to struggle for their constitutional rights as citizens of India through democratic means. They have denounced both Hindu and Muslim militancy and have suggested that Muslims join hands with people of other faiths to promote genuine secularism and democracy. The general response of the Muslims I have been meeting seems to be that both Hindu as well as Muslim militants pose a grave danger to the Indian Muslim community, in addition to the country as a whole. At the same time, they insist that the state address the very serious issue of widespread Muslim poverty, illiteracy and unemployment, a result, in part, of the neglect by and apathy of the state towards Muslim concerns and discrimination at the hands of the wider society dominated by ‘upper caste’ Hindus. Growing Islamophobia occasioned by incidents such as the Mumbai blasts, they fear, will make their case for social justice for Muslims even less acceptable to the state and many Hindus.

As Ayesha, a housewife in Old Delhi, tells me, “Indian Muslims have to live and die here. This is our country. Hindu and Muslim militant groups have their own nefarious agendas, seeking to hold ordinary Hindus and Muslims to ransom by setting them against each other. If the Indian state and society at large are serious about preventing attacks such as in Mumbai recently, all forms of terrorism in the guise of religion, Hindu as well as Muslim, need to be effectively countered with equal vigour.”

“At the same time”, she adds, “sustained peace can only be based on justice, and if we are genuinely concerned about peace, a simple law-and-order approach alone will not do. The state has to be also serious about addressing the continued denial of justice to marginalised communities, be it Dalits or Adivasis or Muslims, as well as their lack of access to resources, education and representation.”

The writer is post-doctoral fellow at the International Institute for the Study of Islam in the Modern World, Leiden. He also edits a web-magazine called Qalandar, which can be accessed at www.islaminterfaith.org

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\07\26\story_26-7-2006_pg3_3

Interesting...
 
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Jana said:
Yeh you are right :D1 thats why indian rambling regarding Bombay blasts dosnt matter ;)

My ranting as compare to Indian official ranting in this case is nothing

Bu then you are so intelligent.

So why rant?

Rave maybe is OK for a ravishing beauty, so Neo tells me!
 
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Yoginder Sikund is talking through his hat.

He should have seen the TV reports during the Gujarat riots.

Rajdeep Sardesai lead the whole show and ripped Modi and the govt!

There were many human angle stories of Islam do gooders and things like that.

So, Sikund apparently believes in sensational stuff so that the bank balance explodes! ;)
 
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Salim said:
Yoginder Sikund is talking through his hat.

He should have seen the TV reports during the Gujarat riots.

Rajdeep Sardesai lead the whole show and ripped Modi and the govt!

There were many human angle stories of Islam do gooders and things like that.

So, Sikund apparently believes in sensational stuff so that the bank balance explodes! ;)
Yes Rajdeep SarDesai did brilliant reporting during the Gujurat riots. NDTV was the only news channel that covered the Gujrat riot impartially. Brilliant work from NDTV and particularly Rajdeep. :smile:
 
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No Pakistani hand in India terrorism: Boucher

NEW DELHI: US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Richard Boucher has categorically ruled out Pakistani involvement in supporting terrorist acts in India.

“It is the considered opinion of Washington that based on the information available with it that government of Pakistan is not involved at all in supporting terrorist acts in India,” Boucher told a select gathering of Muslim representatives in New Delhi during his four-day trip to India earlier this week, reported The Asian Age daily.

The US state department official issued the remarks in response to questions posed by his guests about Pakistan’s alleged role in terrorists acts on Indian soil, such as last month’s Mumbai train blasts. Among the gathering were: Jamia Millia Islamia Vice Chancellor Prof Mushirul Hasan, Raashid Alvi (Congress), Arif Mohammad Khan (BJP) and Wajahat Habibullah. According to Raashid Alvi, the US official showed an interest in understanding Indian Muslim opinion about the US. “During the 30-odd minute meeting, he tried to know about the Indian Muslims and minority issues.”

Prof Mushirul Hasan observed that Mr Boucher had also discussed the “attempts to destabilise Lebanon”, the invasion of Iraq and the presence of American troops in that country and the Palestine issue. Boucher had a similar interaction with Muslim intellectuals and religious scholars in Bangladesh, where he also met imams at the Imam Training Academy and sought their opinion on global issues like terrorism and militancy. He spent two days in Dhaka before travelling to Kolkata and New Delhi.

Boucher is currently touring the Central Asian states of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. APP

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\11\story_11-8-2006_pg7_1
 
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Hey guys herez something latest on the blasts which might make you smile :)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1771339,000900030012.htm

Breakthrough attained in Mumbai blasts: Jaiswal
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Press Trust of India
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Raipur, August 18, 2006



A major breakthrough has been achieved in the probe into the 11/7 serial bomb blasts in commuter trains in Mumbai, Union Minister for State for Home Sriprakash Jaiswal said in Raipur on Friday.

"In a major breakthrough, we have understood the conspiracy behind the blasts although the accused are yet to be arrested," Jaiswal said.
"Many things are clear now after the investigation but it will take time to reach to the crux of the matter," he said.

Since the security forces have understood the purpose of the blasts, all preventive measures have been taken so, it will be tough for anyone to carry out such blasts in the country, he said.

"We are serious about the internal security challenges and besides using forces, we want to adopt other methods to deal with terrorists activities," Jaiswal said when asked about recent incidents of violence in Northeastern states.


"Assam, Manipur and other Northeastern states are comparatively peaceful now and people need not be worried about the stray incidents of violence there," he said.
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