Bollywood actress Priyanka Chopra meets Rohingyas in Bangladesh

[Godman]

So you will keep saying that the Rohingyas being denied citizenship and basic rights despite having a documented history in Arakan since at least 17th century is a mere Western propaganda?

Rohingyas should be granted citizenship but I do believe the Rohingyas continuing the Insurgency since Myanmar gained independence was a major barrier for that. If Rohingya groups pushed for citizenship than separatism things could have been much more different and even though Rohingya extremists may not represent everyone we should note than Rohingyas did engage in riots with Rakhines. Rohingyas vastly underestimated what could happen by picking fights Rakhines and Burmese.
So we got Burma not trying to integrate the Rohingyas vs Rohingyas not wanting to integrate.

 

[Species]

Rohingyas should be granted citizenship but I do believe the Rohingyas continuing the Insurgency since Myanmar gained independence was a major barrier for that. If Rohingya groups pushed for citizenship than separatism things could have been much more different and even though Rohingya extremists may not represent everyone we should note than Rohingyas did engage in riots with Rakhines. Rohingyas vastly underestimated what could happen by picking fights Rakhines and Burmese.
So we got Burma not trying to integrate the Rohingyas vs Rohingyas not wanting to integrate.

I would beg to differ.

There are actually two insurgencies on-going in Rakhine. First, as you mentioned the Rohingya insurgency, second, the Rakhine Buddhist insurgency led by Arakan Army. Since, both the communities are dissatisfied, you need rethink who are the culprit here: the Bamar dominated Burmese government.

If you analyse closely, the Rohingya insurgency never had the mass support from the general Rohingya population, they were only led by some small militant groups with hardly any influence. The Rohingyas were full citizens of Myanmar and even actively participated in the Burmese struggle for independence from the British. There were several Rohingya representatives to their parliament as well. It's only the military government who stripped them off citizenship in 1982 after taking full control of the country.

In any case, despite the insurgencies by few militants, it doesn't mean you would punish the entire community by denying their basic rights and committing ghastly atrocities against the innocents. In Bangladesh as well, we had to face a 20 year long insurgency in Chittagong Hill Tracts but that didn't force us to deny the citizenship of the tribals. Even in SL, the Tamils had instigated far greater insurgency than the Rohingyas, however, you didn't deny the Tamils of their citizenship, that's how civilised nations act.

 

[waz]

Nice one Priyanka, not only pretty but also has a heart.

 

[BATMAN]

Nice one Priyanka, not only pretty but also has a heart.

To be more precise... sudden change of heart!
How world reacted to Rohingay... forced policy change in India.

 

[waz]

To be more precise... sudden change of heart!
How world reacted to Rohingay... forced policy change in India.

She's been to Jordan as well, working with the Syrian people.

 

[BATMAN]

She's been to Jordan as well, working with the Syrian people.

She's being appointed by UN or may i say being promoted by UN.
You may trust her... but i can't.
In my books its idiocracy to trust any Indian as any bit human.
If she had any bit of humanity, she should visit those markets in India, where Muslim flesh is sold.

 

[waz]

She's being appointed by UN or may i say being promoted by UN.
You may trust her... but i can't.
In my books its idiocracy to trust any Indian as any bit human.
If she had any bit of humanity, she should visit those markets in India, where Muslim flesh is sold.

Fair enough.
But what was that video? My God. Are you sure it was what you said?

 

[BATMAN]

Fair enough.
But what was that video? My God. Are you sure it was what you said?

Man.. i have no idea about that video... i just came across and didn't wanted to post but just for information and prove my point.

 

[waz]

Man.. i have no idea about that video... i just came across and didn't wanted to post but just for information and prove my point.

Shocked me....That should be verified though, whatever it was horrible.

 

[Godman]

I would beg to differ.

There are actually two insurgencies on-going in Rakhine. First, as you mentioned the Rohingya insurgency, second, the Rakhine Buddhist insurgency led by Arakan Army. Since, both the communities are dissatisfied, you need rethink who are the culprit here: the Bamar dominated Burmese government.

If you analyse closely, the Rohingya insurgency never had the mass support from the general Rohingya population, they were only led by some small militant groups with hardly any influence. The Rohingyas were full citizens of Myanmar and even actively participated in the Burmese struggle for independence from the British. There were several Rohingya representatives to their parliament as well. It's only the military government who stripped them off citizenship in 1982 after taking full control of the country.

In any case, despite the insurgencies by few militants, it doesn't mean you would punish the entire community by denying their basic rights and committing ghastly atrocities against the innocents. In Bangladesh as well, we had to face a 20 year long insurgency in Chittagong Hill Tracts but that didn't force us to deny the citizenship of the tribals. Even in SL, the Tamils had instigated far greater insurgency than the Rohingyas, however, you didn't deny the Tamils of their citizenship, that's how civilised nations act.

I do not blame Rohingyas or support ethnic cleansing in anyway. I don't blame all Rohingyas for ARSA either
Myanmar govt does have pretty poor policies on ethno religious issues and it is the root cause for most insurgencies.
But the international media is one sided as well not showing the crimes of ARSA and As I remember a lot of Muslims including ones in PDF hailed ARSA as "freedom fighters" although its rather clear they are certainly not freedom fighters.
It is believed that the goal of the attacks by ARSA was to create backlash against Rohingyas to boost themselves. Rohingyas let themselves be fooled. ARSA tactic of giving machetes and sharpened bamboos to Rohingya villagers and asking them to attack Burmese military is obvious bait. Instead of recruiting insurgents or gaining the support for a long term insurgency they pretty much asked them to launch suicidal attacks against Burmese military well knowing the Burmese military is going to hit back hard and wipe out the villages.


At 04:00, he said two groups of around 500 men each stormed up from the beach.

They killed an immigration officer, whose house was close to the beach, but were easily driven off by police officers firing automatic weapons. Seventeen bodies were left behind.

.............

He described how the Arsa leader, Ata Ullah, had come to his village in 2013, telling them it was time to fight against the mistreatment of Rohingya.

He asked for five to 10 men from every community. A group was taken from his village to the forested hills, where they were trained in making crude bombs, using old car engine pistons.

Our informant said his village was encouraged by this, and began taking up food and other supplies to support the trainees. He eventually joined them.

They started patrolling the village, armed with sharpened bamboo sticks, and making sure everyone attended mosque. He says he never saw any guns.

On 25 August he described hearing shooting, and seeing burning in the distance. The local Arsa commander - his "amir", he called him - arrived and told the men that the military was on its way and would attack them.

The men were told to launch their attack first - you are going to die anyway, he said, so die as martyrs for the cause.

Our informant said men of all ages armed themselves with knives and bamboo sticks, and charged the advancing soldiers, suffering many casualties - he named some of the dead.

After that they ran into the rice fields with their families, trying to make their way to Bangladesh. He said they were also harassed by Rakhine Buddhist men as they fled.

BBC World News

Rohingyas should have known they were being used when they asked them to attack a well equipped military with machetes and never to trust "freedom fighters" coming from KSA.

 

[Species]

I do not blame Rohingyas or support ethnic cleansing in anyway. I don't blame all Rohingyas for ARSA either
Myanmar govt does have pretty poor policies on ethno religious issues and it is the root cause for most insurgencies.
But the international media is one sided as well not showing the crimes of ARSA and As I remember a lot of Muslims including ones in PDF hailed ARSA as "freedom fighters" although its rather clear they are certainly not freedom fighters.
It is believed that the goal of the attacks by ARSA was to create backlash against Rohingyas to boost themselves. Rohingyas let themselves be fooled. ARSA tactic of giving machetes and sharpened bamboos to Rohingya villagers and asking them to attack Burmese military is obvious bait. Instead of recruiting insurgents or gaining the support for a long term insurgency they pretty much asked them to launch suicidal attacks against Burmese military well knowing the Burmese military is going to hit back hard and wipe out the villages.


At 04:00, he said two groups of around 500 men each stormed up from the beach.

They killed an immigration officer, whose house was close to the beach, but were easily driven off by police officers firing automatic weapons. Seventeen bodies were left behind.

.............

He described how the Arsa leader, Ata Ullah, had come to his village in 2013, telling them it was time to fight against the mistreatment of Rohingya.

He asked for five to 10 men from every community. A group was taken from his village to the forested hills, where they were trained in making crude bombs, using old car engine pistons.

Our informant said his village was encouraged by this, and began taking up food and other supplies to support the trainees. He eventually joined them.

They started patrolling the village, armed with sharpened bamboo sticks, and making sure everyone attended mosque. He says he never saw any guns.

On 25 August he described hearing shooting, and seeing burning in the distance. The local Arsa commander - his "amir", he called him - arrived and told the men that the military was on its way and would attack them.

The men were told to launch their attack first - you are going to die anyway, he said, so die as martyrs for the cause.

Our informant said men of all ages armed themselves with knives and bamboo sticks, and charged the advancing soldiers, suffering many casualties - he named some of the dead.

After that they ran into the rice fields with their families, trying to make their way to Bangladesh. He said they were also harassed by Rakhine Buddhist men as they fled.

BBC World News

Well, you have quoted a report from an International Media yourself, to show the other side of the story, i.e. the attacks by ARSA.

But I do agree that the international media is largely biased and often portray one sided stories. However, I honestly feel, when it comes to Islamic militancy, they would never be shy of covering this.

And I'm glad that at least you condemn the actions of Myanmar government and do not blame the entire Rohingya community for ARSA's activities.

Rohingyas should have known they were being used when they asked them to attack a well equipped military with machetes and never to trust "freedom fighters" coming from KSA.

Aren't you asking too much from them? Most of the Rohingyas are mere poor uneducated villagers while we see even highly educated well-off Europeans getting radicalised by these militants. All these Rohingyas know is their basic rights have been curbed, their family members getting killed and raped and that they have no food or shelter to live. What else do you expect?

If Myanmar really wanted to integrate the Rohingyas into their society, they would have granted them citizenship, invested in their education and addressed their grievances and no militant would have been able to radicalize them.

 

[Gibbs]

He won't reply you anymore, he does this everywhere. Whenever he's countered by facts and has nothing to argue he just flees the discussion but comes up with the same posts and comments in another thread that he's been already countered before.

And then, he asks why people goes on to him like this.

Could be wrong though but he does seem to have some anti-Muslim sentiments.

Whoah hold on to your horses bub.. My life does not revolve around a online forum and responding to anonymous posters in it 24/7.. I shall respond whenever it deem fit for me, Not adhering to your hyperbole on the Rohingya issue doesnt make someone a Islamophobe , I dont see it in a religious angle but as a ethno political one But then it's a propaganda tool used by interested parties to further it's cause including extremists like ISIS, Al Qaeda and other fundamentalist forces in Bangladesh and the wider South and South East Asian region

Word of advice : Try and argue the subject matter without targeting the poster or his/her credibility, Which will inturn make your arguments more credible

Don't take it otherwise but it's something only done by cheap trolls to insert a link to an obscure book without mentioning any specific page numbers to win an argument.

As for the history of Rohingya, Muslims in Arakan could either be Kaman or Rohingya or both, however, the word 'Rooinga' (corrupt form of the term Rohingya) is specifically mentioned by Francis Buchanan in his 1799 article titled "A Comparative Vocabulary of Some of the Languages Spoken in the Burma Empire" arguing the Rohingyas were long settled in Arakan. Note that the British Rule in Burma only started in 1824.

Now if you want to belittle sources provided to counter your argument that can be done by me as well, If you prefer to go down that road.. What makes you think your narrative and sources are more credible than the alternative ones that does not agree with yours ?

According to that personal research paper you have posted it is said that the Rohingya language have been found to be in existing in North Western parts of Arakan pre colonial times, Which is plausible given Rohingya are from the Chittagong areas's bordering this region but that doesnt prove that the masses now claiming to be rohingya inhabited that area pre colonial times

Infact it's as recent as the 1920's that mass migrations of British Indian subjects from Bengal region were transplanted over night to Burmese territories more specifically to Rakhine.. Records show that 428,300 Bengalis arrived in 1927 alone.. Just imagine the numbers before and after.. Vast majority of these people now claim to be Rohingya.. So It’s time to end the Rohingya insurgency for good, stop the recurring humanitarian crises, and close off western Burma permanently as a potential gateway. Whatever the fate of the few hundred thousand Rohingya still remaining in Burma, the international community should stop setting its hair on fire and focus on doing what it does best: help resettle the Rohingya refugees to countries where they can have a real future.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/24c1m8gj

Atrocity from Rohingya side? What bullshit you are smoking? Does few hundred ARSA extremist represent million plus Rohingya people? It is like saying, ISIS represent the whole Muslim world. ARSA is a burmese tool to get an excuse to kill and drive away the Rohingyas.ARSA is not an legitimate, recognized body unlike Burmese state and military. If you think, world opinion will judge the conduct of ARSA with Burmese authority equally then you are living in a la-la land.

Only people in lala land are those simpletons that swallow all this hood line and sinker, Either because it suits their agenda or simply too stupid and lazy to research a little bit and learn how both sides work in civil conflicts

Rohinya's are no helpless angles, 30,000 Rakhine Buddhists, Hindu's and others were killed by them during independence of Burma in 1948, The first mass genocide in Rakhine ironically now they scream to the world about.. Latest are the reports from coming out about mass murders of Hindus and Buddhists by the hands of ARSA

They begged Pakistan to amalgamate sovereign territory of Burma, Never wanted to integrate, Demanded autonomy when Pakistan showed them the middle finger, Never wanted to integrate with the wider society of Burma, Wanted Sharia law in the area's.. this is the reason they themselves created the term Rohingya.. Why would a sovereign nation want to grant citizenship to people that wants separation ?

@Godman You need to read this mate.. This crisis didnt start a decade ago, It started in 1948 when a minority in the country but a majority in the neighboring country demanded separation from a newly independent sovereign nation, Started by violence against the native people of the region.. But now after retaliation from the sovereign state cries foul.. Can you see the parallels ?

http://www.asiantribune.com/node/90999


@Homo Sapiens The biggest issue here is the hypocrisy of people like you, While crying blue murder for alleged atrocities by the Burmese and calling them in derogatory terms on reports and propaganda by INGO's and Western media etc and treating those reports of alleged crimes as the word of god, And now when the tables are turned and the same INGO's and Media are coming up with crimes by the Rohingya you cry foul, Claim it's made up and the ARSA is working with the Myanmar govts, When not long ago some of you (Maybe not you personally) were lining up in these very pages claiming to support these "Freedom fighters".. Such gutter mentality

If you claim these reports are invalid and cannot be corroborated cause there's no access to "independent" media ? Well it can be said the same for the Rohingya propaganda as well.. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander

Finally As your own PM has stated Bangladesh is directly responsible for this current crisis

http://english.kalerkantho.com/online/national/2017/11/15/3137

Just like the Brits are responsible for the roots of this conflict.. But one thing is for sure the world is waking up for more clarity as the initial dust settles down, As i predicted and keeps reiterating.. when that happens both the Rohingya and Bangladesh will have no takers in this

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Only people in lala land are those simpletons that swallow all this hood line and sinker, Either because it suits their agenda or simply too stupid and lazy to research a little bit and learn how both sides work in civil conflicts

Rohinya's are no helpless angles, 30,000 Rakhine Buddhists, Hindu's and others were killed by them during independence of Burma in 1948, The first mass genocide in Rakhine ironically now they scream to the world about.. Latest are the reports from coming out about mass murders of Hindus and Buddhists by the hands of ARSA

They begged Pakistan to amalgamate sovereign territory of Burma, Never wanted to integrate, Demanded autonomy when Pakistan showed them the middle finger, Never wanted to integrate with the wider society of Burma, Wanted Sharia law in the area's.. this is the reason they themselves created the term Rohingya.. Why would a sovereign nation want to grant citizenship to people that wants separation ?

@Godman You need to read this mate.. This crisis didnt start a decade ago, It started in 1948 when a minority in the country but a majority in the neighboring country demanded separation from a newly independent sovereign nation, Started by violence against the native people of the region.. But now after retaliation from the sovereign state cries foul.. Can you see the parallels ?

Rohingyas in 1948 wanted independence does not give the burmese junta the justification of killing and driving away their descendant in 2017. Most of the Srilankan Tamil still want independence and fought against Sri lanka just a few years ago. It does not give justification to kill or deport entire Tamil population to India by Sri Lankan forces either. You seems to have a very primitive and tribalistic mindset. You are willing to give punishment to son for father's supposed crime and group punishment for the crime of a single member. Modern, rational men and women do not live by such a primitive viewpoint. You are now living in Australia.Try to acquire some humanistic values.

Rohinya's are no helpless angles, 30,000 Rakhine Buddhists, Hindu's and others were killed by them during independence of Burma in 1948,

You seems to spoon fed by extremist rakhine and burmese propaganda.Rohingyas did not killed 30,000 buddhist and hindus.Neutral account give figure of 5,000 rathine killed by Rohingyas and 20,000 Rohingyas killed by rakhine militia.Rohingyas were the minority and they suffered the most casualty. It was in 1942, during the height of ww2.This type of atrocity is all too common during that time.There is no scope to paint only the Rohingyas in negative brush while elevating others to angel figure.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

when that happens both the Rohingya and Bangladesh will have no takers in this

Amen! May your dream comes true...

 

[Gibbs]

Rohingyas in 1948 wanted independence does not give the burmese junta the justification of killing and driving away their descendant in 2017. Most of the Srilankan Tamil still want independence and fought against Sri lanka just a few years ago. It does not give justification to kill or deport entire Tamil population to India by Sri Lankan forces either. You seems to have a very primitive and tribalistic mindset. You are willing to give punishment to son for father's supposed crime and group punishment for the crime of a single member. Modern, rational men and women do not live by such a primitive viewpoint. You are now living in Australia.Try to acquire some humanistic values.

You seems to spoon fed by extremist rakhine and burmese propaganda.Rohingyas did not killed 30,000 buddhist and hindus.Neutral account give figure of 5,000 rathine killed by Rohingyas and 20,000 Rohingyas killed by rakhine militia.Rohingyas were the minority and they suffered the most casualty. It was in 1942, during the height of ww2.This type of atrocity is all too common during that time.There is no scope to paint only the Rohingyas in negative brush while elevating others to angel figure.

Get one thing straight, I dont condone violence from any side, Both Burmese and Rohingya, But i do have a issue with bias propaganda which paints one side saintly and the other as demons, That does not rock my boat

And i'm a strong advocate of sovereignty and territorial integrity of nations, Be it Bangladesh or Myanmar

I'm actually glad atleast you're changing your rhetoric from absolute denial of violence from the Rohingya's to now asking me not to compare the wider Rohingya population with their militant representatives.. See you cant hide these stuff for long, They eventually come through the propaganda

And about the numbers well you believe what you want i will decide which source is more credible to me, It stands as far as i'm concerned it's the Bengali Rohingya crimes towards Rakhine natives during the independence struggle that defined their status in Burma to this day.. Even the current chaos was caused by when ARSA attacked govt posts not the other way around and even previous bouts of violence was due to killing and raping of Rakhine women by Rohingya.. Now you may sugar coat it but the fact remains the response became way more brutal than the provocation after decades of building up tension within the wider Rakhine population

As it stands Burma is not going to accept millions of them back from Bangladesh and by each passing month with more credible information coming through about Rohingya atrocities towards the Rakhine, Whatever International support that remain will wane as is had already begun to happen, So the best thing for them is to settle back in Bangladesh where they were from or the likes of the UN and OIC (If they're even interested) to settle them in countries culturally similar to what they are looking for