Boeing - HCL outsourcing saga

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

It was Boeings responsibility, they cant blame anyone else for their failure.

 

[KhanBaba2]

https://www.dallasnews.com/business...don-outsourced-9-hour-engineers-test-software

So much for Indian IT. They are like a plague with bad news.

"Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn't rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn't working for most buyers."

From the article you linked. Maybe next time read it fully before posting

 

[Sine Nomine]

Whatever suits you man btw Indian IT export is expected to grow at 7-8% valued at 137 billion dollars

Expected.

 

[nahtanbob]

YOU PAY THE PEANUTS YOU GOT THE MONKIES.....

am i missing something ? at some point all of us had primate ancestors

It was Boeings responsibility, they cant blame anyone else for their failure.

On a general note outsourcing works only when the parent company manages the whole process well
the general experience with indian companies is that they are all over the place in terms of quality

 

[letsrock]

While it may be a bit of fun to troll india on this i dont think its fair to blame this poorly paid Indian contractors. Boeing knows what is happening and has humongous resources to prevent this. If they are blaming Indian contractors for failures then they must credit them for their successes too. That never happens.

 

[Thorough Pro]

It already looks horrible to imagine the quality of an "engineer" who makes less than a burger flipper at McDonald's, the hidden shocker would be when you find out what exactly an "engineer" in India actually means?

https://www.dallasnews.com/business...don-outsourced-9-hour-engineers-test-software

So much for Indian IT. They are like a plague with bad news.

 

[phancong]

Indian IT engineering earn lower than a minimum wage in California. No wonder Boeing new plans crashed nosedived when took off with all the software issue on the boeing plane.

 

[Sharky]

Indian IT engineering earn lower than a minimum wage in California. No wonder Boeing new plans crashed nosedived when took off with all the software issue on the boeing plane.

I get paid 9650 EUR every month. Never knew minimum wage was higher than that.

 

[denel]

"Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn't rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn't working for most buyers."

From the article you linked. Maybe next time read it fully before posting

Pal. i have friends working in Boeing, they are lying on this story thru and thru. A lot of work on 737Max software was and is being done by HCL period.
Another one of the nightmare kak shoots of people trying to offload at the cheap with the long held falacy of indian IT prowess. Garbage companies like TCS, Wipro to name the least. Just crap - Sorry to tell you this; I have dealt with most of them and it takes someone 1 of our engineers to be equal to 10 of theirs; lazy SOBs at the end; just mass production of garbage falsely labelled as 'engineers'. I know some very good ones but those are an exception not the norm.

While it may be a bit of fun to troll india on this i dont think its fair to blame this poorly paid Indian contractors. Boeing knows what is happening and has humongous resources to prevent this. If they are blaming Indian contractors for failures then they must credit them for their successes too. That never happens.

Yes the responsibility is that of Boeing leadership knowing well the issues that will surface. Same with what Pepsi is undergoing and others who are offloading at the cheap but zero quality what so ever; MTN here same fiasco - was sold a lot of manure - TCS - 5 yr contract, they were told to pack up in 6 months with 3 years and get out. Same with so many other companies; the blame is solely on the leadership of the organisations that choose this garbage model.

It already looks horrible to imagine the quality of an "engineer" who makes less than a burger flipper at McDonald's, the hidden shocker would be when you find out what exactly an "engineer" in India actually means?

Yes of course, it is still a better wage by indian standards. just huge quantity and zero quality.

indians or no indians - software is buggy

You dont get it the part of experience, knowledge, engineering, and certification lifecycle. Spend some time at Elta you will understand what that drill is like.

 

[INS_Vikrant]

https://www.dallasnews.com/business...don-outsourced-9-hour-engineers-test-software

So much for Indian IT. They are like a plague with bad news.

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monkey is sacred in india considered smarter than avg indian!

Idiots check your facts before blabbering against Indian IT industry

Even boeing refutes it saying Indian firms had no role in development of MACS, but i guess expecting that much from you pea sized brain people is a lot


https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...-in-boeing-737-max-report-119070100034_1.html

 

[nahtanbob]

You dont get it the part of experience, knowledge, engineering, and certification lifecycle. Spend some time at Elta you will understand what that drill is like.

you are preaching to the choir. writing software without domain knowledge is like walking in the dark

 

[KhanBaba2]

Pal. i have friends working in Boeing, they are lying on this story thru and thru. A lot of work on 737Max software was and is being done by HCL period.

And I have pals in HCL who say they did not. Also Boeing says they did not.

 

[denel]

you are preaching to the choir. writing software without domain knowledge is like walking in the dark

it is not just about writing software; you dont get it.
For critical systems like this, there is formal proof systems, logic verification, etc etc; entire mathematical system that goes into it; not just writing code - that is where you are failing to see the picture. There is an entire process of vetting and proof verification that goes into it; writing software is a small part of the overall.

And I have pals in HCL who say they did not. Also Boeing says they did not.

Sorry i have zero trust with any indian companies; of course they will deny it because law suits can come their way; they stand to lose big customer.

Idiots check your facts before blabbering against Indian IT industry

Even boeing refutes it saying Indian firms had no role in development of MACS, but i guess expecting that much from you pea sized brain people is a lot


https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...-in-boeing-737-max-report-119070100034_1.html

Are you referring to me or someone else.

For fact, I dealt with Wipro, HCL, Infosys, TCS, Cogz with over 400+ people thru plus houses in Shanghai. Sorry pal, there are distinctly 5 people in total who were worth anything of their weight. It is just mass production of cheap materials like china.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

When u cant have it , hate it ,this is the logic of Pakistanis ,they can only dream off having IT industry like India's.

I guess you have no idea whats going on in Pakistan with IT industry. indian sud accept the fact their stunted growth children now playing with worlds lives.
but its a cheap labour thats why its so cheap equally fault of american company.. trump is on right track bringing his jobs back.

 

[nahtanbob]

it is not just about writing software; you dont get it.
For critical systems like this, there is formal proof systems, logic verification, etc etc; entire mathematical system that goes into it; not just writing code - that is where you are failing to see the picture. There is an entire process of vetting and proof verification that goes into it; writing software is a small part of the overall.

those processes are function of writing software for defense, aerospace and biomedical domains
without the domain experience it is like walking in the dark