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Here is another article from an Aussie newspaper SMH. The Dollar figure is Australian dollar.

As for Boeing, they absolutely deserve what has happened to them. Dozens of their Max planes are sitting in parking lots because of this. And I hope that orders are cancelled because the danger is till there.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...-12-80-an-hour-engineers-20190629-p522h4.html
Boeing's 737 MAX software outsourced to $12.80-an-hour engineers

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing's 737 MAX crisis: how did a company renowned for meticulous design make seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes?

Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

The MAX software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after US regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $US9 ($12.80) an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

In offices across from Seattle's Boeing Field, recent college graduates employed by the Indian software developer HCL Technologies occupied several rows of desks, said Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer who worked in a flight-test group that supported the MAX.

The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set by Boeing. Still, "it was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code," Rabin said. Frequently, he recalled, "it took many rounds going back and forth because the code was not done correctly."

Boeing's cultivation of Indian companies appeared to pay other dividends. In recent years, it has won several orders for Indian military and commercial aircraft, such as a $US22 billion one in January 2017 to supply SpiceJet.

That order included 100 737-MAX 8 jets and represented Boeing's largest order ever from an Indian airline, a coup in a country dominated by Airbus.

Based on resumes posted on social media, HCL engineers helped develop and test the MAX's flight-display software, while employees from another Indian company, Cyient, handled software for flight-test equipment.

 
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Bloody hell....
How many Indian it professionals earn 9$ a hour..
 
indian poor quality software engineers and developers are responsible for death of hundreds of passengers,such indian software company should be heavily fined and banned from u.s and blacklisted in world
 
indian poor quality software engineers and developers are responsible for death of hundreds of passengers,such indian software company should be heavily fined and banned from u.s and blacklisted in world

It is an extremely shameful act from Boeing; to save a few dollars they have killed hundreds of people. This company should be sued to its arse for millions and billions for being such dic.kheads. I am sure the families of the dead will do exactly this and take this company to justice. Who in their right mind would every outsource such critical programming to a backward country like India is beyond comprehension.
 
Ha, Indian companies are involved in almost all software products we use today through out the world. it's quite surprising that Pakistanis doesn't know that.

But let the full details out given HCL officially it has nothing to do with max issues. And if so,lets see if boeing cancel their contract with HCL.
 
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Since Pakistanis and Indian haters have to depend on unverified reports and lying, I will present Boeing's official stance.

737 Max faults blamed on HCL, Cyient engineers; Boeing refutes

After two major airline crashes and several restrictions imposed by the United States aviation regulators on Boeing, faults are being blamed on "temporary" Indian engineers, claiming the 737 Max software was outsourced to engineers from Indian companies HCL and Cyient Ltd. Boeing, however, has refuted the allegation, saying it did not rely on engineers from these companies for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation (MCA) System, a fault in which allegedly caused Lion Air crash in October 2018 and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. Boeing has also denied involving these engineers for addressing cockpit warning light issue, which was revealed after these crashes. As many as 356 people were killed in these two crashes.

A report published in Bloomberg has said the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors relied heavily on temporary workers from India, which earned as low as Rs 620 per hour ($9/hour). The company, which bagged its biggest ever contract worth $22 billion from SpiceJet Ltd in 2017, reportedly outsourced work to several employees of HCL at its Seattle Boeing Field office in the US. It was reportedly working in partnership with HCL and Cyient since 2010-11.

U.S. regulator cites new flaw on grounded Boeing 737 MAX

These coders, many of them college graduates, were given the task of writing codes for complex specifications set by Boeing. "It was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code," Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer, told Bloomberg. He said this resulted in a lot of "going back and forth" due to incorrect codes. Boeing had fired several senior engineers from the company as it no longer needed them because it felt Boeing's products were mature, he claimed.

Boeing 737 MAX 8 ban: Biggest setback for the US-based aircraft manufacturer in its history

The engineers who worked on the Max projected -- developed to beat rival company Airbus' SE plane -- also faced "pressure" from the senior management, which directed to them limit changes that could have caused a delay in its launch, said the report. It also claims to have seen resumes of HCL and Cyient engineers who said they worked on the project that developed Max's flight-display software and flight-test equipment. In one such resume posted on social media, an HCL employee reportedly claimed he "provided a quick workaround to resolve production issue which resulted in not delaying flight test of 737-Max".

Boeing's association with HCL and Cyient dates back to early 2000 when cockpit electronics maker Rockwell Collins started outsourcing work to HCL. In 2010, Boeing also partnered with HCL to "create software critical for flight test". The next year in 2011, it announced to work with Cyient Ltd for design, stress analysis and software development of 787 and 747-8 planes. A major reason to outsource work to Indian tech companies was contract obligations. For example, Boeing in 2005 grabbed $11 billion order from Air India, and in return, it promised to invest $1.7 billion in Indian tech companies.

Meanwhile, the company said its "focus is on always ensuring that our products and services are safe, of the highest quality and comply with all applicable regulations." Indian IT services giant HCL also told Bloomberg it would not comment on "specific work" it did for Boeing.

Even though Boeing had recently claimed that it had upgraded MCA System, the US Federal Aviation Administration this week found a new problem with 737 Max, and asked the company to address the issue at the earliest. Though there is no clarity whether it was a software-based issue or a complex hardware problem but this has certainly delayed the approval of 737 Max jet. Following the two major airline crashes, aviation authorities across the world had decided to suspend the use of Boeing aircraft till the company detects the defects and addresses them.



https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...nt-engineers-boeing-refutes/story/359988.html

L&T and HCL tech has huge investment in avionics testing fields and they have separate huge teams for Boeing, Airbus and Bombardier. However they are not involved in R&D but only involved in testing of various electronics, simulators and software.

MCAS is an product which has to be developed by the parent company. Its the heart. I dont see any company outsourcing such patented technology to any third parties. Only an idiot will do that.

It is an extremely shameful act from Boeing; to save a few dollars they have killed hundreds of people. This company should be sued to its arse for millions and billions for being such dic.kheads. I am sure the families of the dead will do exactly this and take this company to justice. Who in their right mind would every outsource such critical programming to a backward country like India is beyond comprehension.

The level of hate is cute. Kindly check out my previous links.
 
Since Pakistanis and Indian haters have to depend on unverified reports and lying, I will present Boeing's official stance.

737 Max faults blamed on HCL, Cyient engineers; Boeing refutes

After two major airline crashes and several restrictions imposed by the United States aviation regulators on Boeing, faults are being blamed on "temporary" Indian engineers, claiming the 737 Max software was outsourced to engineers from Indian companies HCL and Cyient Ltd. Boeing, however, has refuted the allegation, saying it did not rely on engineers from these companies for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation (MCA) System, a fault in which allegedly caused Lion Air crash in October 2018 and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. Boeing has also denied involving these engineers for addressing cockpit warning light issue, which was revealed after these crashes. As many as 356 people were killed in these two crashes.

A report published in Bloomberg has said the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors relied heavily on temporary workers from India, which earned as low as Rs 620 per hour ($9/hour). The company, which bagged its biggest ever contract worth $22 billion from SpiceJet Ltd in 2017, reportedly outsourced work to several employees of HCL at its Seattle Boeing Field office in the US. It was reportedly working in partnership with HCL and Cyient since 2010-11.

U.S. regulator cites new flaw on grounded Boeing 737 MAX

These coders, many of them college graduates, were given the task of writing codes for complex specifications set by Boeing. "It was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code," Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer, told Bloomberg. He said this resulted in a lot of "going back and forth" due to incorrect codes. Boeing had fired several senior engineers from the company as it no longer needed them because it felt Boeing's products were mature, he claimed.

Boeing 737 MAX 8 ban: Biggest setback for the US-based aircraft manufacturer in its history

The engineers who worked on the Max projected -- developed to beat rival company Airbus' SE plane -- also faced "pressure" from the senior management, which directed to them limit changes that could have caused a delay in its launch, said the report. It also claims to have seen resumes of HCL and Cyient engineers who said they worked on the project that developed Max's flight-display software and flight-test equipment. In one such resume posted on social media, an HCL employee reportedly claimed he "provided a quick workaround to resolve production issue which resulted in not delaying flight test of 737-Max".

Boeing's association with HCL and Cyient dates back to early 2000 when cockpit electronics maker Rockwell Collins started outsourcing work to HCL. In 2010, Boeing also partnered with HCL to "create software critical for flight test". The next year in 2011, it announced to work with Cyient Ltd for design, stress analysis and software development of 787 and 747-8 planes. A major reason to outsource work to Indian tech companies was contract obligations. For example, Boeing in 2005 grabbed $11 billion order from Air India, and in return, it promised to invest $1.7 billion in Indian tech companies.

Meanwhile, the company said its "focus is on always ensuring that our products and services are safe, of the highest quality and comply with all applicable regulations." Indian IT services giant HCL also told Bloomberg it would not comment on "specific work" it did for Boeing.

Even though Boeing had recently claimed that it had upgraded MCA System, the US Federal Aviation Administration this week found a new problem with 737 Max, and asked the company to address the issue at the earliest. Though there is no clarity whether it was a software-based issue or a complex hardware problem but this has certainly delayed the approval of 737 Max jet. Following the two major airline crashes, aviation authorities across the world had decided to suspend the use of Boeing aircraft till the company detects the defects and addresses them.



https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...nt-engineers-boeing-refutes/story/359988.html

L&T and HCL tech has huge investment in avionics testing fields and they have separate huge teams for Boeing, Airbus and Bombardier. However they are not involved in R&D but only involved in testing of various electronics, simulators and software.

MCAS is an product which has to be developed by the parent company. Its the heart. I dont see any company outsourcing such patented technology to any third parties. Only an idiot will do that.



The level of hate is cute. Kindly check out my previous links.
When u cant have it , hate it ,this is the logic of Pakistanis ,they can only dream off having IT industry like India's.
 
sarrr i will coide for you i am a supa codaaa i also coded for supa tejas!! and i am cheeep shit curry eater i dont dven take bathro breaks i shit on my chair! sarrrrrrrr!

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When u cant have it , hate it ,this is the logic of Pakistanis ,they can only dream off having IT industry like India's.
Yup we know Bharat is IT super power.
 
Yup we know Bharat is IT super power.
Whatever suits you man btw Indian IT export is expected to grow at 7-8% valued at 137 billion dollars
 
YOU PAY THE PEANUTS YOU GOT THE MONKIES.....
 

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