Boeing all for made-in-India F-18s fighter jets for IAF

[Indika]

only sanctions I know of against India and Pakistan has been over nuclear proliferation and the Gujarat riots.

US turned a blind eye to pakistan nuclear proliferation during 80's, 90's but did nothing . NSG was created allegedly to prevent india from progressing on nuclear front. Ironically now US is championing indias entry into the club.

Gujrat riots? seriously what did US do during 1971 bangladesh or 1989 kashmiri pandit genocide.
By the way india does not care to give a damn about sanctions they are nothing but instruments of foreign policy objectives. After harassing cubans for so long , finally US had to give in. What crime did cubans commit? They did not toe the US line.

Interestingly US ally saudi is on UNHRC , glorious contribution to mankind .

 

[A2Z]

If GoI agrees to this offer would that mean they'll go for F/A-18 and dump Rafale?
Or they'll go for both?

 

[mad_max]

Either go for F18 super Hornet or F16IN in Numbers , having overpriced rafales in numbers and failed programs like Tejas will jeopardize nations security and budget.

 

[GURU DUTT]

if boeing is ready to make F18 here for 5-6 odd sq then dassault will feel the pinch in final negotiations now

i guess that is the plan

Either go for F18 super Hornet or F16IN in Numbers , having overpriced rafales in numbers and failed programs like Tejas will jeopardize nations security and budget.

no tjas is an asset to IAF but not the foriegn mal lobee but since tajas and F/A-18 EF have same engines it will be better for tejas and hornet deu to comminality in spare parts + since tejas uses israeli radar it will be easier for incorporation american wepons on tejas ... think about it

 

[Mike_Brando]

Hi,
while I appreciate your enthusiasm or must I say the hatred for PAF, where you have made ( ridiculous claim without any evidence or whatsoever).

I must also stress the recent deepening of ties ( thanks to Modi jee) even after Devyani drama, It is headed in right direction.

Plus the only country which is against China in this particular region, US will never attempt to undermine Indian defence need.

Sir,
First of all my intentions were not to hurt your or for that matter any other member's feelings.I have got nothing against PAF although i do admit that i don't have any particular affinity toward it only because it belongs to our adversary.Nowhere in my post i have made any derogatory remarks against PAF.What i have stated are hard cold facts which was stated by one of your own AVMs in his memoirs.Being a mature member i think you also know that deep down in your heart.It's the exact reason why PAF didn't come to the rescue of the Pakistani soldiers during the Kargil conflict thus exposing them to constant Indian aerial bombardments.If the PAF had received the required spares from the USA then i am quite sure that it would have intervened on behalf of the Pakistani soldiers at that time.This is the exact reason why your Air Force has developed the JF-17 with the Chinese and is leaning for buying more Chinese aircraft.
We simply don't want this to happen to our front line fighters and that too in the time of a real conflict.The Yankees can never become a trusted ally of our country unlike Russia or for that matter Israel.Heck,they were the ones who blocked the sale of the Arrow BMD system a few years back and now they are deliberately blocking the sale of ELTA-2052 AESA radar needed for our LCA MK-1A/2 aircraft!!

 

[mad_max]

i guess that is the plan


no tjas is an asset to IAF but not the foriegn mal lobee but since tajas and F/A-18 EF have same engines it will be better for tejas and hornet deu to comminality in spare parts + since tejas uses israeli radar it will be easier for incorporation american wepons on tejas ... think about it

Tejas is a failed project with many shortcomings believe it or not or you want to live dreams.

 

[Mike_Brando]

can't trust these yankees is that suppose to be derogatory?? and you trust the Russians??? yeah they won't sanction you, but they are charging you a foot and leg for spares for your Su-30s

so when is India going to be 100% self sufficient btw. then you wouldn't have to worry about the yankees or anyone else for that matter

Well,like it or not it's the reality.All those nations who have trusted the USA at some point of time have suffered in one way or other due to the selfishness of the USA.And please for the love of God,stop comparing yourself with the Russians.Russia is an honorable country and she stands by her allies in their times of difficulties.They have literally saved our a$$es a number of times in the past.USA at most can be our business partner but it can never be a dependent ally.
P.S. Before accusing me of being a commie i would like to state the fact that i am a right winger!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Tejas is a failed project with many shortcomings believe it or not or you want to live dreams.

NO it is NOT

Why do you measure success or failure as on TODAY

We have gained IMMENSE and invaluable expertise in the last few years on Tejas
that will help us immensely in the coming years

Since you are from US ; has the US reached such a position in a few years

It is a 70 years of effort that has made USA what it is today in the aerospace and aeronautical industry

 

[mad_max]

NO it is NOT

Why do you measure success or failure as on TODAY

We have gained IMMENSE and invaluable expertise in the last few years on Tejas
that will help us immensely in the coming years

Since you are from US ; has the US reached such a position in a few years

It is a 70 years of effort that has made USA what it is today in the aerospace and aeronautical industry

Disillusion Fools are tejas supporters , time to shut this program instead of wasting time an money.
Time to make in India F16In.

 

[siddharth shankar]

can't trust these yankees is that suppose to be derogatory?? and you trust the Russians??? yeah they won't sanction you, but they are charging you a foot and leg for spares for your Su-30s

so when is India going to be 100% self sufficient btw. then you wouldn't have to worry about the yankees or anyone else for that matter

Ignore boss. Indians have been brainwashed with socialism for a long time.

Disillusion Fools are tejas supporters , time to shut this program instead of wasting time an money.
Time to make in India F16In.

Absolutely not. First attempts will never get you a world class product, this is true for every field. Was china's first attempt a world class fighter?? No, it was not. But to develop indigenous capability one has to endure setbacks.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Disillusion Fools are tejas supporters , time to shut this program instead of wasting time an money.
Time to make in India F16In.

forget it if ever any american fighter for MMRCA is to come in recent times it will be land based version of F/A-18 E/F with possibility of a full squad of growlers

F-16IN is and will always be a dream for many MMRCA is to be a twin engined fighter not single engined

 

[A2Z]

I am no expert on the matter but even with my limited knowledge I too think that the more interest IAF and GoI shows in western or matter of fact foreign fighters the worst it gets for Tejas. @shah1398 pointed that out and even if he wasn't completely right complete induction of tejas is delayed . Even today when ever anyone talks in favor of Tejas someone immediately compares it with a western fighter or more recently one of the members compared it with Mirage 2000 and gave the opinion its better to get their licensed production then wasting money on Tajas.

Don't take me wrong but the big power India dreams of becoming cannot be achieved until and unless they show trust in their own things. I have said this before and again that all the big powers Russia, China, USA, France etc when its the matter of their defence they trust their own weapons. The point is no matter how good deal you crack foreign products come with strings attached to them and sooner or later you pay the price. @Mike_Brando would agree with me, he was 100% correct in my opinion when he quoted why PAF are now committed to JF-17.

The good thing is that PAF learned the lesson, though the hard way, and since then concentrated on the Thunder program. When the time came and again USA was offering us F-16 PAF reduced the order from 75 to 36 and then finally to 18. Rest of the money as per my knowledge was transferred to JF-17. Today PAF has a fighter they use whenever they want however they want against whoever they want and they have no one to answer, this is a liberty PAF never enjoyed in past.

I am not saying IAF is making a mistake whether it be F/A-18 or Rafale both are as deadly as they get but with them one has to answer someone at some point and that wont be the case with Tejas. As far as one would say the roles for Tejas and F/A-18 are different, well that role can be fulfilled by MKI for the time being.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

ALL FOR IT!!

 

[bdslph]

well India should go for it if all is well
there is a risk of sanction pose but i am not sure if ever how it will effect
F18 F16 deadly combination
the f16 might be superior for india model
i would rather see the deadly F15 india to buy the Silent eagle

EU should come with a good solution fast if they want deal with india

 

[A2Z]

i would rather see the deadly F15 india to buy the Silent eagle

It was surprising that F-15 was not offered to India. I personally believe that F-15 and F-16 combo is lethal. Some of the best airforces like Israeli, Japanese, South Korean and not to mention US relay on this combo rather than F-18 and F-16.