BNP to soften its anti-India stance for now

[LaBong]

Offshoot of Indian secularism? Bangladesh had secularism in its constitution during 1971, India later on.

Although india have had secular constitution since her inception, but I was merely replying to his assertion! Bengal is inherently secular barring the jamati kind. This is the land of lalon shah, sri chaitanya deb and myriads of other reformists. Arab style monolithic society which pakistan tried to adopt after 70s would never be accepted here.

 

[saleen_s7]

Although india have had secular constitution since her inception, but I was merely replying to his assertion! Bengal is inherently secular barring the jamati kind. This is the land of lalon shah, sri chaitanya deb and myriads of other reformists. Arab style monolithic society which pakistan tried to adopt after 70s would never be accepted here.

I am a bit light on the details of bengal, but I heard somewhere that India has adapted secularism in its constitution during the late 1970's, after Mujib came in power. If you ever visited Bangladesh, or met any people who are born and raised in Bangladesh, you would notice that generally people are pretty moderate. For example, the Bangladeshis I met in UK and the Bangladeshis, I know are world apart. Sheikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman for example was extremely aware of the fact that Bangladeshis, in general, are very moderate, which is why both their ideologies and strategy was moderate. For example, when there was dissatisfaction among the population when Ziaur Rahman bought in the banned jamaat, he immediately let Sheikh hasina in the country. Same with Mujib, when people realised he's strong pro india policy, Mujib started leaning more towards the middle east.

 

[Skies]

Sheikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman for example was extremely aware of the fact that Bangladeshis, in general, are very moderate, which is why both their ideologies and strategy was moderate. For example, when there was dissatisfaction among the population when Ziaur Rahman bought in the banned jamaat, he immediately let Sheikh hasina in the country. Same with Mujib, when people realised he's strong pro india policy, Mujib started leaning more towards the middle east.

Both secularism and non-secularism forces are driving here strongly. So I think we need something hybrid/moderate. We just can not omit one force in this land. Because those are related to people's sentiment.

 

[HZR2011]

Some were saying if BNP comes to power ,India can't do anything with bangladesh...

lol now Al or BNP $$$$$$

 

[Tameem]

Let's think if we can make something hybrid theory what will distinguish and save us from both India and religious extremism.

Dear!! the religious extremism in our part of geography is the creation of our establishment to fend off any revolution from left or right, this policy marks an international recognitions once soviets invades Afghanistan and now Pakistan uses its to fend off both India and America out of AfPak region successfully, it has nothing to do with the majority of Muslim norms of the subcontinent from Kabul to Karachi or Calcutta. Mjority of Muslims are adherence to Sofism which far from any extremists ideals...This is the basic lesson one has to learn while studying Pakistani political philosphy after Independence.

At the same time some people specially Congress and AL Propagandise against the Two Nation Theory towards an equalant to Extremism which is its not, if that is so how come all the political parties of Pakistan who wons elections in last 65 years are all secular or semi secular and none of them is religious to any extent. The difference between our Secularism and in an Indian one is "Qrardad-e-Maqasid" which is passed by our first constituant assembly unanimously by its East and West members in september 1947. If you like to know more about it in detail just google...s!!

Secondly, you talk about to create some hybrid theory to fend off India and religious extremism....you people tells us more about it bcz we have no fear from either of these two, we are successfully dealt them through our Idealogy in past 65 years and will do so in future as well.
FYI, we already tried your so called hybrid theories in past; first to keep united the British Indian Empire in shape of accepting cabinte mission plan in 1946 despite having apprehension for being in a minority and that was sabotage by none other than the majorty i.e Hindus and Congress, who wants an absolute rule without giving any independence at least even at province level, this is their stubborness towards Muslims feelings in general.

Again, we tried to unite all the Muslims of the subcontinet under one banner, we are succefull but its only the folly of our eastern brathern who are stubbornlly prejudice towards their language and creed that thay falls back in the trap of thier erstwhile masters again. Now again some amongst them realizes their faults, wants to revisit history and creats a hybrid theory tell me how that theory fullfills your nations "ego" in allowing it to comes joins the ummah again even at subcontinental level..you finds us at more than half way mark in this endeavour!!

 

[Tameem]

I agree that the BNP has failed in its agenda for promoting Bangladeshi nationalism but not for the reasons you state. The vast majority of Bangladeshis believe in Bangladeshi nationalism and that some element of Islam should exist in national life. The BNP due to its cowardice and greed has compromised on its basic principles and ideology and hence has become unreliable and untrustworthy. When more than 60% of the population is supportive of Bangladeshi nationalism it escapes me why the BNP has been so weak in thwarting the AL and India. It suggests to me a weakness of character rather than any failure in ideology.

Sir, regrefully I found your group’s of people as more cowardice and greedy than BNP, Bcz she is only a political party by a dictator, what else one expects from her other than opportunism to ligitimise his rule by agreeing on some popular sentiments and placement of words here or there, the problem is some people regards these political maneuverability’s as an Ideology which is its not from the starts. You made a mistake by blindly following AL and its propaganda in the first place instead of accepting that fault line wholeheartedly you created illusions of Bangladeshi Nationalism in your minds just to escapes the embarrassment of accepting that fault, now tell me who is cowardice?

The fundamental ingredients in both nationalisms are the same i.e. Language, Race & even geography and as I earlier said there is only the flavor of Islam and some Anti Indian stance in the eyes of the public, nothing substantial.

Tell me, you people talk about Islam and Muslims and want to forget its political Icon “Ummah” Who is cowardice and where is the difference?

You are proud on ML Inception in 1906 in Dhaka but want to forget its masterstroke “the two nation theory”, who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to remember 1911 for an unjust reunification with the WB but want to forget 1947 and Jinnah’s struggle to restore this divide in the first place, who is cowardice?

You want to remember the sacrifices of Bengali elites in 1971 Independence War but doesn't want to acknowledge the Great Indian help in this Endeavour. Here too, just imagine who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to restricts Indian/Hindu hegemonic behavior at your borders just like Pakistanis did but don’t want to sacrifices your language and race like all other Pakistani Nationalities does for last 65 years, Tell me who is cowardice and who is in denial?

That’s the reason I have respects for the cadres of AL because I found them genuine and courageous.., yes courageous for not being ashamed to be called Indian Agent by some quarters and following a path which they found in their hearts the best way forward for them and their nation, no matter how mean their political opponents call them for this.

I salute Bihari’s, Jamatis & Razakars still maneuring in Bangladeshi Politics with their heads high against all odds and intimidation, seeing gallows in front of them but not forgetting their ideals and believes at any time.

Therefore, my humble request for people like you is either to mend your ways with AL and India as its reduce anarchy in Bangladeshi streets as a whole and enables it to grow to its true potential which i believe the best way in current circumstances OR truly accepts the Pakistan’s Ideology and be ready for greater sacrifices in order to achieve an Islamic Republic of Bangladesh forever…ffffhhhaahhhh....The answer I know…you don’t have the stomach for either one and instead we have to bear your crocodile tears here in PDF forever!!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Dear!! the religious extremism in our part of geography is the creation of our establishment to fend off any revolution from left or right, this policy marks an international recognitions once soviets invades Afghanistan and now Pakistan uses its to fend off both India and America out of AfPak region successfully, it has nothing to do with the majority of Muslim norms of the subcontinent from Kabul to Karachi or Calcutta. Mjority of Muslims are adherence to Sofism which far from any extremists ideals...This is the basic lesson one has to learn while studying Pakistani political philosphy after Independence.

At the same time some people specially Congress and AL Propagandise against the Two Nation Theory towards an equalant to Extremism which is its not, if that is so how come all the political parties of Pakistan who wons elections in last 65 years are all secular or semi secular and none of them is religious to any extent. The difference between our Secularism and in an Indian one is "Qrardad-e-Maqasid" which is passed by our first constituant assembly unanimously by its East and West members in september 1947. If you like to know more about it in detail just google...s!!

Secondly, you talk about to create some hybrid theory to fend off India and religious extremism....you people tells us more about it bcz we have no fear from either of these two, we are successfully dealt them through our Idealogy in past 65 years and will do so in future as well.
FYI, we already tried your so called hybrid theories in past; first to keep united the British Indian Empire in shape of accepting cabinte mission plan in 1946 despite having apprehension for being in a minority and that was sabotage by none other than the majorty i.e Hindus and Congress, who wants an absolute rule without giving any independence at least even at province level, this is their stubborness towards Muslims feelings in general.

Again, we tried to unite all the Muslims of the subcontinet under one banner, we are succefull but its only the folly of our eastern brathern who are stubbornlly prejudice towards their language and creed that thay falls back in the trap of thier erstwhile masters again. Now again some amongst them realizes their faults, wants to revisit history and creats a hybrid theory tell me how that theory fullfills your nations "ego" in allowing it to comes joins the ummah again even at subcontinental level..you finds us at more than half way mark in this endeavour!!

Sir, regrefully I found your group’s of people as more cowardice and greedy than BNP, Bcz she is only a political party by a dictator, what else one expects from her other than opportunism to ligitimise his rule by agreeing on some popular sentiments and placement of words here or there, the problem is some people regards these political maneuverability’s as an Ideology which is its not from the starts. You made a mistake by blindly following AL and its propaganda in the first place instead of accepting that fault line wholeheartedly you created illusions of Bangladeshi Nationalism in your minds just to escapes the embarrassment of accepting that fault, now tell me who is cowardice?

The fundamental ingredients in both nationalisms are the same i.e. Language, Race & even geography and as I earlier said there is only the flavor of Islam and some Anti Indian stance in the eyes of the public, nothing substantial.

Tell me, you people talk about Islam and Muslims and want to forget its political Icon “Ummah” Who is cowardice and where is the difference?

You are proud on ML Inception in 1906 in Dhaka but want to forget its masterstroke “the two nation theory”, who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to remember 1911 for an unjust reunification with the WB but want to forget 1947 and Jinnah’s struggle to restore this divide in the first place, who is cowardice?

You want to remember the sacrifices of Bengali elites in 1971 Independence War but doesn't want to acknowledge the Great Indian help in this Endeavour. Here too, just imagine who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to restricts Indian/Hindu hegemonic behavior at your borders just like Pakistanis did but don’t want to sacrifices your language and race like all other Pakistani Nationalities does for last 65 years, Tell me who is cowardice and who is in denial?

That’s the reason I have respects for the cadres of AL because I found them genuine and courageous.., yes courageous for not being ashamed to be called Indian Agent by some quarters and following a path which they found in their hearts the best way forward for them and their nation, no matter how mean their political opponents call them for this.

I salute Bihari’s, Jamatis & Razakars still maneuring in Bangladeshi Politics with their heads high against all odds and intimidation, seeing gallows in front of them but not forgetting their ideals and believes at any time.

Therefore, my humble request for people like you is either to mend your ways with AL and India as its reduce anarchy in Bangladeshi streets as a whole and enables it to grow to its true potential which i believe the best way in current circumstances OR truly accepts the Pakistan’s Ideology and be ready for greater sacrifices in order to achieve an Islamic Republic of Bangladesh forever…ffffhhhaahhhh....The answer I know…you don’t have the stomach for either one and instead we have to bear your crocodile tears here in PDF forever!!

Why are you relating Bangladesh to Pakistan or the Muslim Ummah? They in fact aren't in this topic of discussion.

The All India Muslim League was created in Dhaka for valid reasons as you've stated.

Very few Bengalis spoke Urdu. In fact, their cultural heritage is quite different from that of Mainland Pakistan. Religion and culture are two different things.

As I have said before, there were certain important factors that strengthened Mujib's and his party's cause. Now if the West Pakistani leadership had been less arrogant, none of that would have happened as they are now.

I don't want to go over the details of the human right issues and the West Pakistani leadership for the sake of decency.

Whether or not we live under the BNP or the AL or any party for that matter is not your decision, nor that of India's.

 

[Skies]

Dear!! the religious extremism in our part of geography is the creation of our establishment to fend off any revolution from left or right, this policy marks an international recognitions once soviets invades Afghanistan and now Pakistan uses its to fend off both India and America out of AfPak region successfully, it has nothing to do with the majority of Muslim norms of the subcontinent from Kabul to Karachi or Calcutta. Mjority of Muslims are adherence to Sofism which far from any extremists ideals...This is the basic lesson one has to learn while studying Pakistani political philosphy after Independence.

Okay that religious extremism was the creation of your establishment to protect your interests during the soviet-invation. In that time extremists fought against the Russians, fine. But now your created extremists are killing and fighting against your own people, they kill your own people even in the mosques. So there is a difference. I do not know how your extremists would fend off both India and USA if they kill your own people! Seems you are trapped by your extreme creatures, the Mullahs. And why do you have to think this strategy of creating of extremists (who actually harming you but not them) to fend off your enemies? Do the India and US work following this same way of creating extremist in their own countries to protect them? No. Sp there must be other intelligent way to fend off them without creating extreme creatures and harming yourself. Like creating stronger economy and harming India and US in other effective way.

Again, we tried to unite all the Muslims of the subcontinent under one banner, we are successful but its only the folly of our eastern brathern who are stubbornly prejudice towards their language and creed that they falls back in the trap of thier erstwhile masters again. Now again some amongst them realizes their faults, wants to revisit history and creates a hybrid theory tell me how that theory fulfills your nations "ego" in allowing it to comes joins the ummah again even at subcontinental level..you finds us at more than half way mark in this endeavor!!

We may had folly and we were stubborn. But those conflicts could have settled down in political way but not by killing. You might have brought the peace easily by some agreement. We may had our demand for language and others rightful things, but you could have solved those problems by giving us our rights.

 

[saleen_s7]

Sir, regrefully I found your group’s of people as more cowardice and greedy than BNP, Bcz she is only a political party by a dictator, what else one expects from her other than opportunism to ligitimise his rule by agreeing on some popular sentiments and placement of words here or there, the problem is some people regards these political maneuverability’s as an Ideology which is its not from the starts. You made a mistake by blindly following AL and its propaganda in the first place instead of accepting that fault line wholeheartedly you created illusions of Bangladeshi Nationalism in your minds just to escapes the embarrassment of accepting that fault, now tell me who is cowardice?

The fundamental ingredients in both nationalisms are the same i.e. Language, Race & even geography and as I earlier said there is only the flavor of Islam and some Anti Indian stance in the eyes of the public, nothing substantial.

Tell me, you people talk about Islam and Muslims and want to forget its political Icon “Ummah” Who is cowardice and where is the difference?

You are proud on ML Inception in 1906 in Dhaka but want to forget its masterstroke “the two nation theory”, who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to remember 1911 for an unjust reunification with the WB but want to forget 1947 and Jinnah’s struggle to restore this divide in the first place, who is cowardice?

You want to remember the sacrifices of Bengali elites in 1971 Independence War but doesn't want to acknowledge the Great Indian help in this Endeavour. Here too, just imagine who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to restricts Indian/Hindu hegemonic behavior at your borders just like Pakistanis did but don’t want to sacrifices your language and race like all other Pakistani Nationalities does for last 65 years, Tell me who is cowardice and who is in denial?

That’s the reason I have respects for the cadres of AL because I found them genuine and courageous.., yes courageous for not being ashamed to be called Indian Agent by some quarters and following a path which they found in their hearts the best way forward for them and their nation, no matter how mean their political opponents call them for this.

I salute Bihari’s, Jamatis & Razakars still maneuring in Bangladeshi Politics with their heads high against all odds and intimidation, seeing gallows in front of them but not forgetting their ideals and believes at any time.

Therefore, my humble request for people like you is either to mend your ways with AL and India as its reduce anarchy in Bangladeshi streets as a whole and enables it to grow to its true potential which i believe the best way in current circumstances OR truly accepts the Pakistan’s Ideology and be ready for greater sacrifices in order to achieve an Islamic Republic of Bangladesh forever…ffffhhhaahhhh....The answer I know…you don’t have the stomach for either one and instead we have to bear your crocodile tears here in PDF forever!!

The more I read this sort of posts, the more I realise and appreciate where we are now. You talk about the Muslim Ummah but the atrocities your army committed has been nothing short of a genocide. The genocide is listed as one of the worst genocides of the century. Where was your Muslim Ummah then? You talk about reality and presented few elements of history to show a pattern of significance but that is selective. And you blame the US for committing crimes in your country, but it was the same country which reassured and gave you blessings to continue the atrocities. Off course, this atrocities has been done under a military dictator known for his love for whisky and love for women and you accuse us of breaking the muslim ummah?
Now, are you going to tell me that it was Indian Army dressed up as Pakistani army to commit genocides?

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Sir, regrefully I found your group’s of people as more cowardice and greedy than BNP, Bcz she is only a political party by a dictator, what else one expects from her other than opportunism to ligitimise his rule by agreeing on some popular sentiments and placement of words here or there, the problem is some people regards these political maneuverability’s as an Ideology which is its not from the starts. You made a mistake by blindly following AL and its propaganda in the first place instead of accepting that fault line wholeheartedly you created illusions of Bangladeshi Nationalism in your minds just to escapes the embarrassment of accepting that fault, now tell me who is cowardice?

The fundamental ingredients in both nationalisms are the same i.e. Language, Race & even geography and as I earlier said there is only the flavor of Islam and some Anti Indian stance in the eyes of the public, nothing substantial.

Tell me, you people talk about Islam and Muslims and want to forget its political Icon “Ummah” Who is cowardice and where is the difference?

You are proud on ML Inception in 1906 in Dhaka but want to forget its masterstroke “the two nation theory”, who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to remember 1911 for an unjust reunification with the WB but want to forget 1947 and Jinnah’s struggle to restore this divide in the first place, who is cowardice?

You want to remember the sacrifices of Bengali elites in 1971 Independence War but doesn't want to acknowledge the Great Indian help in this Endeavour. Here too, just imagine who is cowardice and who is in denial?

You want to restricts Indian/Hindu hegemonic behavior at your borders just like Pakistanis did but don’t want to sacrifices your language and race like all other Pakistani Nationalities does for last 65 years, Tell me who is cowardice and who is in denial?

That’s the reason I have respects for the cadres of AL because I found them genuine and courageous.., yes courageous for not being ashamed to be called Indian Agent by some quarters and following a path which they found in their hearts the best way forward for them and their nation, no matter how mean their political opponents call them for this.

I salute Bihari’s, Jamatis & Razakars still maneuring in Bangladeshi Politics with their heads high against all odds and intimidation, seeing gallows in front of them but not forgetting their ideals and believes at any time.

Therefore, my humble request for people like you is either to mend your ways with AL and India as its reduce anarchy in Bangladeshi streets as a whole and enables it to grow to its true potential which i believe the best way in current circumstances OR truly accepts the Pakistan’s Ideology and be ready for greater sacrifices in order to achieve an Islamic Republic of Bangladesh forever…ffffhhhaahhhh....The answer I know…you don’t have the stomach for either one and instead we have to bear your crocodile tears here in PDF forever!!

You appear more Indian then Pakistani. Who are you?

 

[LaBong]

Wow mbi uneartbed another false flag operation!

 

[Pride]

What a good move from opposition.

Apart from other rants here in PDF, I strongly believe that India-BD has less issues more hype. These issues need to be resolve earliest to build confidence. India is a natural ally to BD due to large border touch and due to cultural touch with Bengal, Tripura and Assam. We never had any major conflict since its evolution so why not lets sit and create a free trade.

As per my personal opinion, Colthes stitch in BD is better than in India.