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BN signed a contract for two more Type 053H3 frigates, including ex- Putian (pennant number 523)

That’s how they modernized their navy.
Ok but what’s about other suppliers of ships? Turkey, Russia? If BD wants, Vietnam can supply brandnew missile warships at reasonable cost! Beware, the chinese are good at business. They sell every scrap as if it’s gold.
 
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Bascially impossible now...

China would choose to export the whole system, not just the hull.
Our naval shipbuilding program aims to build the hull in our own shipyard with a design provided by China or others, and we want countries like China or others to supply the mechanical components related to the engine(s), weapons system and do other difficult tasks.

The thing is we can build the hull but not the engines and others. We have already built a few warships under this kind of arrangement with China.
 
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I don't believe China's current shipbuilding assistance projects in Bangladeshi yards follow 'export the whole system' process.
I just mean the ones builded in China.

More recently - Thailand bought the improved and heavily modified 053-H3 designs (2XNaresuan class) with displacement of 3000 tons, this is definitely higher than our lead ship Bangabandhu class. These are (I'd posit) are very similar to the F22P designs acquired and fabricated in Pakistan. One thing to note is that engines, weapons and sensors (and placement choices in terms of superstructure) are of Western origin and vastly different in the case of these two countries.

HTMS Naresuan (2 bought from China then heavily modified) - China class 053H2G, see all the Western sensors and integrated weapons fitted as modifications to this Chinese vessel
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MSI Defense Systems 30mm gun

The two secondary Chinese-built Type 76 twin 37mm dual-purpose gun systems (photo on top) that originally equipped the Naresuan class, were removed and replaced by the MSI Defense Systems 30mm DS30M Mark 2 (Seahawk A2) gun systems consisting of a 30mm Mark 44 Bushmaster II cannon on a fully automated mount with an off-mount electro-optical director (EOD) and with below deck control console. The gun has a rate of fire of approximately 650 rounds per minute in a maximum range of less than 3km in anti-aircraft role. Except the main naval gun, the ships are equipped with 2-4 MH2B heavy machine guns. The M2 has a maximum (effective) range of around 1,830m and a cyclical rate of fire of approximately 600 rounds per minute.

Mk.45 gun and VLS (32 Raytheon RIM 162 ESSM SAM)
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Are you sure they were bought recently?

They sell every scrap as if it’s gold.
Do you think that the buyers are too stupid, or Chinese are too smart?
Or you are just talking nonsense?
 
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Can anyone confirm if we are assembling 801s or 802s? Read somewhere we are now assembling these inhouse.
 
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Are you sure they were bought recently?

The two 053H2G vessels HTMS Taksin and HTMS Naresuan (3000 tons each) were bought in late 1995 amid much complaints, they were massively upgraded in the ship safety area per Thai requirements later. In 2011 SAAB's combat mgmt. system was added and even later, Sea Sparrow and ESSM missiles were fitted to them.

However Chinese shipyard, sensor, weapons quality has also seen massive improvements in the last 25 years. If Bangladesh is given Chinese frigate ToT offer it is my belief that it will be something more advanced than 054 class. The European offers being discussed (especially from Damen and Fincantieri) are more advanced than 054 for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTMS_Taksin
 
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The European offers being discussed (especially from Damen and Fincantieri) are more advanced than 054 for sure.
In fact, the costs of European ones you mentioned are almost the same as that of Type 052D DDG in China already...

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If Bangladesh is given Chinese frigate ToT offer it is my belief that it will be something more advanced than 054 class.
You should know the missions of Type 054/A FFG in PLAN.
 
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In fact, the costs of European ones you mentioned are almost the same as that of Type 052D DDG in China already...

The cost will be significantly less if frigates are built in Bangladesh with European design and expertise. Shipbuilding labor cost (in fact ANY labor cost) in Bangladesh is one third that of China. It is also one-half that of India. Labor is a large cost-component of any naval project.

You should know the missions of Type 054/A FFG in PLAN.

I do not know enough - but I know Pakistan is ordering 054P to enhance mainly anti-air capability (HQ-16/LY-80). This is our requirement as well, but current sensor fitment offered by China leaves much to be desired when compared to current level of sensor fitment in not only Bangladesh Navy but also prominent Chinese ship export clients like Thai Navy. Both Navies have now fitted much more capable Western sensors from vendors like Kelvin Hughes and SAAB for radars, trackers, EW suites and/or Combat Management Systems.

If we decide to fit Chinese missiles in the new frigates, then we have to use whatever sensor China offers, which may not be the absolute state of the art as far as capability - especially when you consider the fitment of sensors in the Indian Navy for example.

Most newer Indian frigates (Nilgiri class Project 17A for example) will be using Israeli AESA radar in a stealth mast, analogs of which 054A does not possess. I believe we should induct an AESA (an S-band APAR) radar which should ideally have a range in excess of 300 km. Such a radar is currently not offered in PLAN frigates such as the 054A.

This is the only Chinese AESA (type 346) fitted so far in PLAN destroyers such as 052D (square convex panels on sides).

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OTOH Western sensor integration may run into issues with Chinese missiles if inducted, it is an open undecided question.

These are the factors I considered when I said that we will end up needing something more capable than 054A/P which is not available for offer from China at present. Certainly funding won't be an issue from Bangladesh side and they will cost less when built locally.
 
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The cost will be significantly less if frigates are built in Bangladesh with European design and expertise. Shipbuilding labor cost (in fact ANY labor cost) in Bangladesh is one third that of China. It is also one-half that of India. Labor is a large cost-component of any naval project.
India will tell another story.
 
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Given that we’re considering type 54, I reckon the frigate building project will ultimately go to China, even though lots of meetings have been held with western shipyards. idk much about it though

The new export variant of Type-54A is good design. The way we are purchasing things i have a little bit of doubt that we will be able to buy anything from the West and still keeping Type-54A in mind. But after watching the new LPC's tender i could be wrong. New missile seems confirmed, only MR-SAM is left to be confirmed.

Ok but what’s about other suppliers of ships? Turkey, Russia?

BN will never buy any Russian surface combatant. Don't think Turkey has chance either.

If BD wants, Vietnam can supply brandnew missile warships at reasonable cost!

What could Vietnam possibly offer BN? You don't have any warship building capability AFAIK.

Or you are just talking nonsense?

Probably just talking nonsense.

Can anyone confirm if we are assembling 801s or 802s? Read somewhere we are now assembling these inhouse.

No.
 
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Well if you know differently - then let us know. :-)
Type 346 AESA radars: Type 052C DDG
Type 346A AESA radars: Type 052D DDG
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S-band and X-band AESA radars: Type 055 DDG
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You just made my point.

I was trying to say that only DDG's in PLAN service (starting with the Type 052C destroyer (NATO/OSD Luyang II-class destroyer) introduced Type 346 Stationary type (non-moving) AESA radars.

This type of AESA radar is not available for PLAN FFGs (of any type) yet. While every RECENT European FFG type (FREMM, Sachsen class, Formidable class of S'pore, Meko 200 has them). Bangladesh is considering ToT for some of these.

This is the 3,200 tonne Republic of Singapore Navy Formidable class frigate RSS Stalwart in the foreground. Note the stealth mast and AESA radar among other sensors and the general clean layout instead of the messy crow's nest for outdated frigates.

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I will post the pros and cons of different naval radars and their characteristics later.

The Type 052C introduced both fixed active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and vertically launched surface-to-air missiles into PLAN service. First picture shows 052C DDG Changchun (pennant 150) and the larger 052D DDG Guiyang (pennant 119).
 
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You just made my point.

I was trying to say that only DDG's in PLAN service (starting with the Type 052C destroyer (NATO/OSD Luyang II-class destroyer) introduced Type 346 Stationary type (non-moving) AESA radars.

This type of AESA radar is not available for PLAN FFGs (of any type) yet. While every RECENT European FFG type (FREMM, Sachsen class, Formidable class of S'pore, Meko 200 has them). Bangladesh is considering ToT for some of these.

This is the 3,200 tonne Republic of Singapore Navy Formidable class frigate RSS Stalwart in the foreground. Note the stealth mast and AESA radar among other sensors and the general clean layout instead of the messy crow's nest for outdated frigates.

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I will post the pros and cons of different naval radars and their characteristics later.

The Type 052C introduced both fixed active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and vertically launched surface-to-air missiles into PLAN service. First picture shows 052C DDG Changchun (pennant 150) and the larger 052D DDG Guiyang (pennant 119).
That is why you should know the missions of Type 054A FFG in PLAN.
And the production of Type 054A FFG and Type 052C DDG for PLAN has stopped already.
Maybe Type 054B FFG would come out soon, or Type 052DG DDG just replaces it.

Besides, European FFGs usually have to play the same role as that of Type 052D DDG in PLAN, while their costs are also the same as that of Type 052D DDG.

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