Blast in Quetta

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the original Afghan jihad was a noble cause......how would we have looked if we DIDNT intervene?

the failures lie in the worlds (not just our) neglect of Afghanistan after they withdrew

but that is a whole other discussion

 

[Musafar]

The hypocrisy is overwhelming in threads such as these especially when a bomb blast of this nature occurs. I can almost write the script.

There's those that peddle their agenda and play the victim card of their particular sect which justifiably has state imposed conditions on it but call it "discrimination" even though its state LAW- BUT the same people are calling for not only mere discrimination but for the public hanging of others from BY the state. Irony overload, indeed.

Then there's those that love to jump on the Zombie-Zia bandwagon (I'm guessing they are brelwis) as though he is controlling these terrorists from his grave. Yep, quite shocking since years after he's reign we didn't have suicide bombings, even though they were happening in places like Beirut in 1983. Maybe Zia activated his sleeper cells after 9/11? Who knows? You seem to certainly do.

Then theres those that love to jump on the arabs, particularly the saudis and whinge about their "funding". I don't see them complaining at the MILLIONS given by the arabs generously towards the floods, or maybe them sending the Imam-of the Ka'ba to Pakistan under Mushys rule during the lal masjid fiasco. Or how about them giving sanctuary to ex-presidents? Nope, lets focus in on money they gave in the 80's to seven bells out the Russians.

 

[T-Faz]

Yes remember the call from Bush to Gen Mushraf.I think these generals are equally responsible..spineless will do whatever to make their thrones safe or will go in selfi mposed exile in UK or in Dubai castles--in utter disregard to poor citizens

What call from bush, it was Richard Armitage who apparently said that to the ambassador.

As for the spineless remark you have your fair share too and its debatable whether one incident can define character in this way.

 

[T-Faz]

There's those that peddle their agenda and play the victim card of their particular sect which justifiably has state imposed conditions on it but call it "discrimination" even though its state LAW- BUT the same people are calling for not only mere discrimination but for the public hanging of others from BY the state. Irony overload, indeed.

It might be difficult for you to comprehend but the law(s) you speak of allowed extremism and intolerance to be state sanctioned. This allowed the mindset of people to rot to such an extent that terrorists today use similar strategy employed in those days.

Then there's those that love to jump on the Zombie-Zia bandwagon (I'm guessing they are brelwis) as though he is controlling these terrorists from his grave. Yep, quite shocking since years after he's reign we didn't have suicide bombings, even though they were happening in places like Beirut in 1983. Maybe Zia activated his sleeper cells after 9/11? Who knows? You seem to certainly do.

Quite an uninformed man you are, it was Zia's doctrine to create extremists groups against enemies and other sects alike. Also you need to learn history and comment before making such a statement, bombing during Zia's time was a daily occurence, in 1987 alone, more than 4000 people died because of bombings.

Then theres those that love to jump on the arabs, particularly the saudis and whinge about their "funding". I don't see them complaining at the MILLIONS given by the arabs generously towards the floods, or maybe them sending the Imam-of the Ka'ba to Pakistan under Mushys rule during the lal masjid fiasco. Or how about them giving sanctuary to ex-presidents? Nope, lets focus in on money they gave in the 80's to seven bells out the Russians.

Go back a few posts and read the documents posted on how Saudi money is still bankrolling terrorists. But the truth would not be of any matter to some.

 

[Musafar]

the original Afghan jihad was a noble cause......how would we have looked if we DIDNT intervene?

the failures lie in the worlds (not just our) neglect of Afghanistan after they withdrew

but that is a whole other discussion

Agreed and its what Zia warned the world against. But Zia haters will not acknowledge that what Zia did was put Pakistan on the map.

I'm wondering why this particular hate group conveniently abandons its posion when it comes to Musharaff who was also an interventionist and brought about the murder, torture and selling of more pakistanis than any dictator.

 

[Musafar]

It might be difficult for you to comprehend but the law(s) you speak of allowed extremism and intolerance to be state sanctioned. This allowed the mindset of people to rot to such an extent that terrorists today use similar strategy employed in those days.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I speak of a law of a that's become part and parcel of Pakistan and it intrinsically woven into its statue books for DECADES. You don't like the laws of the land, don't live in it.

Quite an uninformed man you are, it was Zia's doctrine to create extremists groups against enemies and other sects alike. Also you need to learn history and comment before making such a statement, bombing during Zia's time was a daily occurence, in 1987 alone, more than 4000 people died because of bombings.

Learn to read before you call me uniformed. I said *suicide bombings*. A lot of the bombings that occured in that era was by khad agents and pro-commies.

Go back a few posts and read the documents posted on how Saudi money is still bankrolling terrorists. But the truth would not be of any matter to some.

Don't need to- ive read the same drivel for years. Nothing new. same old buzzwords like "petro-dollars" etc. Tell me, why does Pakistan take the money from Saudi Arabia ???- its not obliged too. Last I checked it was Pakistan with the nukes.

 

[T-Faz]

Agreed and its what Zia warned the world against. But Zia haters will not acknowledge that what Zia did was put Pakistan on the map.

When did Zia warn of that, he merely used that to prolong his otherwise hated rule. I could provide you with articles that point to that. Also it was Ayub who put Pakistan on the map, not Zia.

I'm wondering why this particular hate group conveniently abandons its posion when it comes to Musharaff who was also an interventionist and brought about the murder, torture and selling of more pakistanis than any dictator.

Musharraf was never responsible for an incident like Ojhri Camp Disaster where over a thousand Pakistani's died. Zia killed more than 40,000 Palestinians during black september but his handful of supporters would never discuss that.

 

[T-Faz]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I speak of a law of a that's become part and parcel of Pakistan and it intrinsically woven into its statue books. You don't like the laws of the land, don't live in it.

Laws that are part of the Hudood Ordinance are a blemish on Jinnah's Pakistan. They are not what the people who worked for this country wanted, they were imposed by a dictator who was being supported by others as he was needed at that time. Also do not tell me to leave Pakistan, my family has worked for this country from before its creation. They never ran away to another land unlike some.

Learn to read before you call me uniformed. I said *suicide bombings*. A lot of the bombings that occured in that era was by khad agents and pro-commies.

Suidice bombings or car bombings, people got killed and that is what matters, not what kind of bombings occured.

Don't need to- ive read the same drivel for years. Nothing new. same old buzzwords like "petro-dollars" etc. Tell me, why does Pakistan take the money from Saudi Arabia - its not obliged too. Last I checked it was Pakistan with the nukes.

We provide protection to Saudi from any threat and that is why they provide us with aid. Bhutto tried to utilize the pan Islamic card and suffered because of it.

 

[Musafar]

When did Zia warn of that, he merely used that to prolong his otherwise hated rule. I could provide you with articles that point to that. Also it was Ayub who put Pakistan on the map, not Zia.

 

[T-Faz]

YouTube - Pakistan Story 2

So this is why he refused to bring in a negotiated end to Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Do not take what he says seriously, he is a cunning politician and even Trevor McDonald (Interviewer) says that at one point. This is the same man who promised election after his coup and kept pushing it forward.

How I wish the 1981/2 coup against Zia was successful.

 

[Musafar]

Laws that are part of the Hudood Ordinance are a blemish on Jinnah's Pakistan. They are not what the people who worked for this country wanted, they were imposed by a dictator who was being supported by others as he was needed at that time. Also do not tell me to leave Pakistan, my family has worked for this country from before its creation. They never ran away to another land unlike some.

How are they a blemish? Pakistan was made for Muslims. Pakistan ka multab keya? Tell me.

If non-muslims or those who are of offshoots from certain sects want to disobey the lawbook of the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan then thats their problem. The majority of pakistani's have no issue with these laws as ive said before they've been going on for decades. Only reason i could see anyone having an issue would be if they were from a particular sect that wanted to propagandize their version of religion to the majority and shove it down their throats.

Now are you from this sect?

Suidice bombings or car bombings, people got killed and that is what matters, not what kind of bombings occured.

Yes but the problem has been suicide bombings - and you and I know it.

 

[T-Faz]

How are they a blemish? Pakistan was made for Muslims. Pakistan ka multab keya? Tell me.

You should read Pakistan's history before making comments, this Pakistan ka matlab kya was only popularized during Zia's days, before that it was not a famous slogan.

And this was Jinnah's reaction when he heard this.

It is said that Pakistan was created with the use of the slogans “Islam in danger” and “Pakistan ka matlab kya, La illaha ilallah”, both slogans which — ironically — were never used by Quaid-e-Azam himself. Indeed Jinnah ruled out “Pakistan ka matlab kiya, La illaha illallah” when he censured a Leaguer at the last session of the All India Muslim League after partition in these words: “Neither I nor the Muslim League Working Committee ever passed a resolution — Pakistan ka matlab kiya — you may have used it to catch a few votes.”

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

If non-muslims or those who are of offshoots from certain sects want to disobey the lawbook of the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan then thats their problem. The majority of pakistani's have no issue with these laws as ive said before they've been going on for decades. Only reason i could see anyone having an issue would be if they were from a particular sect that wanted to propagandize their version of religion to the majority and shove it down their throats.

Now are you from this sect?

The majority did have problems with these laws and they did make that clear.

At the same time, Zia has tried to please Muslim opinion with a strict Islamization program. But that too has aroused opposition. Women have protested new restrictions, including a recommended return to the traditional Pakistani burqa. Others worry about government imposition of religious custom. "Islam should rise from the people," protests one newspaper editor. "Zia is using Islam to prevent democracy."

Pakistan: Putting Pressure on Zia - TIME

Yes but the problem has been suicide bombings - and you and I know it.

The problem was car bombings back then, its not the kind of bombings but why they occur.

 

[muse]

Check out this thread to see who, what kinds of ideas propel sectarianism in Pakistan:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...-et-al-what-moderate-islam-2.html#post1112196

Should intolerance be tolerated?

 

[Solomon2]

How are they a blemish? Pakistan was made for Muslims.

And the U.S.A. was made by Pilgrims from The Mayflower and their descendants, coveting a land where they could live, pray, and prosper in safety. Does America limit itself to their form of worship? No. And since America doesn't, why should Pakistan?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Only reason i could see anyone having an issue would be if they were from a particular sect that wanted to propagandize their version of religion to the majority and shove it down their throats.

Now are you from this sect?

I think you are referring to the Taqfiri group that is represented by Lushker Jhangvi and TTP
they are the ones that are shoving their violent faith of "take no prisoners" down the throat of Pakistani people

let me assure you he definately doesnt belong to that group and neither do I