BLA's Terrorist & a Scholar at same time

[Amaa'n]

Video gone... Error... Any other link? Will download it first.

yar theres watermark...too much of crap...dont bother i guess

 

[The Eagle]

When an institute is used for brainwashing knowing that young minds are more prone to theories as such, and rise them against State. Pakistanis ideals West too much for democracy and freedom of expression but I bet them if they can use any western institute against the same country they live in. Can anyone share a single example from modern day that students abroad are thought to take arms against state and attack respective military? We have all the audacity to lecture our own State for freedom of expressions and left right independence and let them keep killing us in the name of masoom, misguided ones, innocent students etc. Had the law being enforced like any other country, we wouldn't be explaining left right thingy.

 

[Crusher]

PDF is a defence forum. It must not be concerned with Leftists or Rightists. I am a constitution-focused centrist who leans to the left on fiscal policy & to the right on social issues. But I do not consider either leftists or rightists being 'wrong'. They hv their place & constitution guarantees them same rights & safeguards.

I am all for freedom of expression, except about religious personalities. I do not think targeting any segment brings any benefits at all. Different POVs are like genes; we never know which one is needed under which circumstances. So, as a forum, PDF must not champion any particular POV orpolitical inclination. It is not for PDF to do.

About the prevailing topic, young men dying in Pakistan, whether in uniform or out of it should call for soul-searching.

Handling Baloch nationalism is not complicated. It is just difficult because the person who foolishly opened this can of worms can not be called to account for his idiocies.

Everything boils down to leftists and rightists, without ideology and clear mind there is no concept of defence, you have to be clear what you are defending and for what purpose.

About the prevailing topic, young men dying in Pakistan, whether in uniform or out of it should call for soul-searching.

Handling Baloch nationalism is not complicated. It is just difficult because the person who foolishly opened this can of worms can not be called to account for his idiocies.

Comparing uniformed constitutionally mandated army soldiers of Pakistan with the killed ethno-fascist "university educated" terrorists is shear insanity.

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Handling Baloch nationalism is not complicated. It is just difficult because the person who foolishly opened this can of worms can not be called to account for his idiocies.

Pakistan must not allow any kind of "nationalism" or "fascism" based on some provincial linguistic or ethnic identities, period.

 

[Chak Bamu]

So what do you propose? that we stop exposing these people? let them have it there way while we sit & watch?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1259090513036300289

@The Eagle please upload the video to fb directly with urdu caption & a strong one
Heres full video

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Look! Ziaul Haq was no dove. But when he released all Baloch political prisoners, & invited exiled Baloch leadership back to Pakistan with a guarantee of no persecution, he pacified the years long insurgency. I should not have to say this at all. But seems like I need to state the obvious because it's not obvious somehow.

The challenge is not a military one. Its political, social, & economic. A threat of force could be a small part of a solution. But Baloch people don't take kindly to coercion & they've shown this time & again. I hinted at a solution, but apparently it is hard to grasp.

Young men die & their parents, siblings, & children suffer. What is the solution then? More of the same? As long as policy-makers view every issue from a purely security perspective, we'll keep seeing more of the same.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Look! Ziaul Haq was no dove. But when he released all Baloch political prisoners, & invited exiled Baloch leadership back to Pakistan with a guarantee of no persecution, he pacified the years long insurgency. I should not have to say this at all. But seems like I need to state the obvious because it's not obvious somehow.

The challenge is not a military one. Its political, social, & economic. A threat of force could be a small part of a solution. But Baloch people don't take kindly to coercion & they've shown this time & again. I hinted at a solution, but apparently it is hard to grasp.

Young men die & their parents, siblings, & children suffer. What is the solution then? More of the same? As long as policy-makers view every issue from a purely security perspective, we'll keep seeing more of the same.

I am sorry. Can you plz take back the negative rating?

 

[Chak Bamu]

When an institute is used for brainwashing knowing that young minds are more prone to theories as such, and rise them against State. Pakistanis ideals West too much for democracy and freedom of expression but I bet them if they can use any western institute against the same country they live in. Can anyone share a single example from modern day that students abroad are thought to take arms against state and attack respective military? We have all the audacity to lecture our own State for freedom of expressions and left right independence and let them keep killing us in the name of masoom, misguided ones, innocent students etc. Had the law being enforced like any other country, we wouldn't be explaining left right thingy.

One word: Shafiq Mengal. 'nuff said.

I am sorry. Can you plz take back the negative rating?

I could have, but before the post was deleted. The negative rating was needed to hide the post. Had I been an active moderator, I could have deleted it, issued a warning & that would have been the end of it. I am sorry but I can not do anything now. Feel free to ask an Admin to remove it, if possible. Meanwhile, please focus on post quality. Read every draft at least once before you post. I have avoided many a faux pas by doing just that.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Everything boils down to leftists and rightists, without ideology and clear mind there is no concept of defence, you have to be clear what you are defending and for what purpose.



Comparing a uniformed constitutionally mandated army soldiers of Pakistan with the killed ethno-fascist "university educated" terrorists is shear insanity.



Pakistan must not allow any kind of "nationalism" or "fascism" based on some provincial linguistic or ethnic identities, period.

1. First part of your post is incomprehensible. Do you know clearly what you are trying to convey. I have noted that you are asserting than everything boils down to left & right. This is a false & forced binary.

2. Nobody would compare the two sides as equals. I did not either. That is a strawman you just raised. Observing that young men die on both sides calls for empathy & introspection. You can't do either because you seem to think in binary terms only. However, it is state's responsibility to do so, even if some trigger-happy champs can not manage to do so.

3. It is idiotic to think that a multi-ethnic country should function as a monolith entity. Such experiments have always resulted in failure. You need to change your parochial & security-centered thinking. Otherwise you will ever be thinking in useless binary terms, totally bereft of nuance & incapable of introspection.

In short, please spare me your binary thinking. Study more instead of lecturing others.

 

[nascar 42]

@Foxtrot Alpha

There were some Lahoris from affluent families who took part in the anti army militancy in Baluchistan during the 70's. After amnesty was granted by the Zia government, did the militants who avail amnesty provide information on planning, source of funds etc ? And most importantly, since some of them might be alive today, do our security agencies still keep tabs on them ? Isn't it possible that some of them might still be involved with BLA elements or have contact with militants ? I am asking as I have encountered one such person and these guys also seem to hold sway in academic institutions and media (just to be clear, Im not referring to Najam Sethi or Ahmed Rashid).

 

[Amaa'n]

@Foxtrot Alpha

There were some Lahoris from affluent families who took part in the anti army militancy in Baluchistan during the 70's. After amnesty was granted by the Zia government, did the militants who avail amnesty provide information on planning, source of funds etc ? And most importantly, since some of them might be alive today, do our security agencies still keep tabs on them ? Isn't it possible that some of them might still be involved with BLA elements or have contact with militants ? I am asking as I have encountered one such person and these guys also seem to hold sway in academic institutions and media (just to be clear, Im not referring to Najam Sethi or Ahmed Rashid).

I am not in any authority to confirm that, nor do i have any confirmed information on this particular case, so apologies for that. However we have encountered few people who did avail the amnesty under previous regimes and started off with their normal life. During investigation for another case, we stumbled upon their activities and active connections with militant organizations, they were reported immediately to the concerned authorities.

They are currently under investigation hence i cannot add more to this, many former militants who surrendered recently are being picked off by the terror outfits in the Balochistan. On 23 May, The Balochistan Post published an article coming from Militant group threatening to kill Haji Amir, a senior commander of terrorist outfit who surrendered only last month.

If you think & feel comfortable sharing a name with us, please let me know & we can discuss in P.M

 

[nascar 42]

If you think & feel comfortable sharing a name with us, please let me know & we can discuss in P.M

It will be convenient if I can discuss the name with you in personal conversation. Will do so tomorrow evening. Kindly open the conversation thread.

Thanks