BJP asks Muslims to give up Ayodhya

[ambidex]

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[PlanetWarrior]

As a Hindu I can personally say (and I believe that 99% of more of my fellow Hindus will agree with me on this ) that the destruction of the mosque was a shame to Hinduism and to India and all of her people. The day that the mosque was vandalised and then destroyed was surely one of the most shameful days in Hinduism's history. My view is that the mosque should be reinstated to its original form and a plaque should be inserted at the site wherein all the Hindus of the world seek forgiveness from every Muslim for that shameful act. In the Ramayana, Shri Rama never asked for glory or worship during His incarnation as a man. He made it clear that His message was of importance and not His appearance. The destruction of the mosque was an insult not only to Muslims but to the benevolent message of goodwill and peace amongst mankind and the respect of all human, animal and plant life amongst this world within which we are created as caretakers. There can be no other way. Rebuild the mosque and apologise to every Muslim who worshipped at the mosque for the stupidity of our actions

 

[Novice09]

As a Hindu I can personally say (and I believe that 99% of more of my fellow Hindus will agree with me on this ) that the destruction of the mosque was a shame to Hinduism and to India and all of her people.

Count me in 1%

 

[PeacefulIndian]

As a Hindu I can personally say (and I believe that 99% of more of my fellow Hindus will agree with me on this ) that the destruction of the mosque was a shame to Hinduism and to India and all of her people. The day that the mosque was vandalised and then destroyed was surely one of the most shameful days in Hinduism's history. My view is that the mosque should be reinstated to its original form and a plaque should be inserted at the site wherein all the Hindus of the world seek forgiveness from every Muslim for that shameful act. In the Ramayana, Shri Rama never asked for glory or worship during His incarnation as a man. He made it clear that His message was of importance and not His appearance. The destruction of the mosque was an insult not only to Muslims but to the benevolent message of goodwill and peace amongst mankind and the respect of all human, animal and plant life amongst this world within which we are created as caretakers. There can be no other way. Rebuild the mosque and apologise to every Muslim who worshipped at the mosque for the stupidity of our actions

I am one of the 1% then. Babri mosque was a monument built by Babar, a foreign invader, after he destroyed the original Shri Ram temple. It was only a testimony of the bloodshed that followed under the mogal rule. It definitely did not signify your 'benevolent message of goodwill and peace amongst mankind'. Historians know well, a mosque had no business in Ayodhya. But since we need to honor the feelings of our muslim populace, I am in for a co-existence as mentioned in my previous post.

 

[Adwitiya]

Count me in 1%

i would also like to be the part of it

 

[ek_indian]

I am not against mosques but....this is among the holiest places for Hindus.
When ASI said there was a temple, for me it is sufficient and scientific evidences. Call me hardliner/saffron extremist but I am in 1% lot. This issue is overly politicised. On paper it is not that complicated.

Offtopic but, time to read "Somnath" writteen by Chatursen Shastri. It is in Hindi. Not sure if this is translated as well. It deals with Somnath temple and its destruction.

P. S. --> I differ the way by which mosque was demolished. There was non violent means to do that through negotiations.

 

[k_n]

As a Hindu I can personally say (and I believe that 99% of more of my fellow Hindus will agree with me on this ) that the destruction of the mosque was a shame to Hinduism and to India and all of her people. The day that the mosque was vandalised and then destroyed was surely one of the most shameful days in Hinduism's history. My view is that the mosque should be reinstated to its original form and a plaque should be inserted at the site wherein all the Hindus of the world seek forgiveness from every Muslim for that shameful act. In the Ramayana, Shri Rama never asked for glory or worship during His incarnation as a man. He made it clear that His message was of importance and not His appearance. The destruction of the mosque was an insult not only to Muslims but to the benevolent message of goodwill and peace amongst mankind and the respect of all human, animal and plant life amongst this world within which we are created as caretakers. There can be no other way. Rebuild the mosque and apologise to every Muslim who worshipped at the mosque for the stupidity of our actions

I beg to differ .

The destruction of the mosque was an insult not only to Muslims but also a BLOT ON CREDENTIALS OF INDIA'S POLITY , JUDICIARY , LEGISLATURE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES , in short , A BLOT ON INDIAN LEADERSHIP and not a blot on Hinduism .
The act goes against the very idea of India and Indian civilization .
In the history of India and in its culture, damaging/vandalising places of worship has never been glorified . Though , there are example of Buddhist persecution in early decades of Sunga rule and few instances during medieval times of rival Hindu chieftains and kings raiding temples signifying enemy's power and carrying away the sacred idols/linga from the temples to their kingdoms . But , India as it has existed since many millenia , is known for peaceful co-existence between believers of different sects and faiths with examples of religious persecution few and far between in the Indian history spanning more than 3000 years .

The foundation of modern India has been laid on principles of Socialism and Secularism . Every community has the right to practice its faith freely with little or no state interference . The demolition simply ridiculed the whole 'Idea' of India and the communal riots since independence that have preceded and followed Ayodhya are a grim reminder how far we need to evolve further as a nation and society .

 

[Novice09]

Self deleted...

BECAUSE OF freedom of thoughts

 

[PlanetWarrior]

I am one of the 1% then. Babri mosque was a monument built by Babar, a foreign invader, after he destroyed the original Shri Ram temple. It was only a testimony of the bloodshed that followed under the mogal rule. It definitely did not signify your 'benevolent message of goodwill and peace amongst mankind'. Historians know well, a mosque had no business in Ayodhya. But since we need to honor the feelings of our muslim populace, I am in for a co-existence as mentioned in my previous post.

With respect , you speak from your personal ego and vanity then and not as a Hindu. So what if a masjid was built over a temple some many years ago? Does our faith prohibit us from showing respect towards a masjid? Our "temples" are the gathering of multiple people for the purposes of promoting light and dispelling darkness. The worship of Allah as the Almighty I would say has the same purpose.There are nothing in the scriptures which requires the building of huge monuments to worship God. Despite the destruction of many temples by Muslim invaders of India , Hinduism survived. Other religions were wiped out within the space of a few hundred years in comparison. The reason for the survival of Hinduism is simply because the invaders failed to understand that as long as one Hindu survived then a temple survived ..within the heart and soul of that Hindu. Those Hindus who actively participated in the destruction of the masjid did not only destroy a mosque. They also destroyed the temple within their bodies.

 

[ek_indian]

Some Hindus are like

I believe in lord Rama and lord Krishna, both

Well.....I call it "freedom of thoughts"...

You do have every right to think different. So do others.
I agree this incident is like a blot on India but to say that we should build a mosque over there, this is unacceptable. Actually this incident should not happened at very first place. Negotiations was the way forward as I already stated.

As for as apologizing Indian Muslims, I am ready for that in any given time.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Some Hindus are like

I believe in lord Rama and lord Krishna, both

Do Christians not believe in both Prophets Moses and John the Baptist and Jesus as Lord? Do Muslims not believe in Prophets David, Jesus , Muhammed (Peace upon them)? Your post was a bit short sighted if you are not a Hindu. If you are a Hindu then with respect your post is ignorant

 

[Veer]

So why dont Hindus take the initiative to bring communal harmony ????

There is communal harmony for last 62 years and will remain forever.

We Indians (No matter Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian) are not communal that why there is harmony.

 

[Novice09]

Do Christians not believe in both Prophets Moses and John the Baptist and Jesus as Lord? Do Muslims not believe in Prophets David, Jesus , Muhammed (Peace upon them)? Your post was a bit short sighted if you are not a Hindu. If you are a Hindu then with respect your post is ignorant

You can take it as ignorant

Buddy I leave in an locality where Muslims are around 95%. My father have more Muslim friends than Hindu. BUT let me tell you from my personal experience, if you show kindness and forgiveness, some people take it as incompetence.

My views are based on my personal experience, I don't get carried away by any ill remark from Hindu extremists

On lighter note: My GF is muslim.

 

[k_n]

I am not against mosques but....this is among the holiest places for Hindus.
When ASI said there was a temple, for me it is sufficient and scientific evidences. Call me hardliner/saffron extremist but I am in 1% lot. This issue is overly politicised. On paper it is not that complicated.

Offtopic but, time to read "Somnath" wtitteen by Chatursen Shastri. It is in Hindu. Not sure if this is translated as well. It deals with Somnath temple and its destruction.

P. S. --> I differ the way by which mosque was demolished. There was non violent means to do that theorugh negotiations.

Exactly !

But the whole bias towards building of a Ram Temple or against the Ram Janmbhoomi Movement and demolition of the mosque shouldnt be interpreted into a 'WITH ME' or 'AGAINST ME' issue by the Hindus on this forum and in the country as a whole .

We are not to RIGHT the HISTORICAL WRONGS committed 3 or 4 or 5 centuries back . Unlike their Pakistani counterparts, neither have the Indian Muslims glorified academically or morally the subjugation of kufr by India's Muslim rulers or invaders by imposition of jaziya , pilgrimage tax or plain raiding of temples in their journals , seminaries or religious discourses nor have htey shown any explicit inclination towards the Jamaat-e-Islami ideology although they as a community have been resistant to social reforms being introduced by the govt .
Unfortunately , our own political outfits claiming to be 'Nationalist' and standing with the banner of Hindutva are not only short-sighted but also opportunistic and lack strategic vision , given to exploiting public dissatisfaction in a way that suits their need for a larger share in votes from the Hindu electorate . The Sangh , BJP and allied organizations need introspection desperately .

To begin with , they need to realise that NO political ideology in India will survive if its not inclusive .

If they indeed took it to themselves to RIGHT historical WRONGS ( which being a hindu , I personally feel were nothing but Barbarianism ) then they should haven't separated Facts from Fiction .
ASI comes with remains of a 10th century Temple under the disputed site , the same ASI reported no EVIDENCE SUGGESTING a Hindu place of worship existed under the site before .
Keeping the Epic aside , Babur in his memoirs Tuzk-i-Babari mentions that temples were raided by his generals in the expeditions against the kingdom of Chanderi . What happened in Mathura is well documented as well . Thus , instead of going ahead with Ram Janmbhoomi movement and vandalizing a mosque (to raise passions leading to polarization in the electorate ) where a Hindu temple 'might' have existed if the BJP had gone for a long drawn movement for a govt sponsored restoration of the destroyed Hindu places of worship and had asked the govt to come clean by appointing a panel of historians and archaeologists in order to separate fact from fiction , make the history of 'persecution' mandatory in university history syllabus and had gone for bringing to all Hindu sects the message of diluting the role of caste in Hindu society , then and only then had we been able to truly commend the JAN SANGH and BJP .

Instead , the activities of Sangh n BJP have lacked vision . The same can be said of the way they deal with the 'alleged' forcing/luring of tribals to convert to Cristianity . Any organization whether under the banner of Hinduism , Islam , Sikhism ... if its activities lead to braek down in law and order and relative harmony between communities should be dealt with a heavy hand and forced to mend its ways !

 

[ambidex]

With respect , you speak from your personal ego and vanity then and not as a Hindu. So what if a masjid was built over a temple some many years ago? Does our faith prohibit us from showing respect towards a masjid? Our "temples" are the gathering of multiple people for the purposes of promoting light and dispelling darkness. The worship of Allah as the Almighty I would say has the same purpose.There are nothing in the scriptures which requires the building of huge monuments to worship God. Despite the destruction of many temples by Muslim invaders of India , Hinduism survived. Other religions were wiped out within the space of a few hundred years in comparison. The reason for the survival of Hinduism is simply because the invaders failed to understand that as long as one Hindu survived then a temple survived ..within the heart and soul of that Hindu. Those Hindus who actively participated in the destruction of the masjid did not only destroy a mosque. They also destroyed the temple within their bodies.

So you are saying Hindus do not respect Mosques and Islam.
If i have ever passed by a mosques temple gurdwara my heart and sole has always showed respect for that place and its cause.

I totally agrees with you that demolition of Barbi mosque(which was not used for prayers although) was a sin even by Hindu religious definitions.

1.The question is why an ordinary Hindu was forced to do that act of shame.
2.The second question is where is the common sense of Muslims those who think they have no responsibility to show their respect for well documented ancient Hindu holiest place. Don't you think there is a deep sense of insecurity in Hindu minds that Muslims have never respect there place of worship.

That place belongs to Hindus those who believe in their religion what so ever. Let me put it like this If a muslim can become a Hindu then i will have no problem to accept Islam myself. I mean the question is all about your belief. Either you should tell to Hindus that your religion has no meaning or you should tell Muslims the same.

Hindus were demanding a solution to this problem even many years before independence. Their only rationale and argument was that these three ancient places are very sacred to them and a solution should be worked out with muslim community so that peace and harmony may prevail. It was a very genuine legitimate and democratic demand (i think you will agree with me).
Hindus took law in their hands and must be penalized no doubt. But now we are debating this case in courts, i would like to ask you if Muslims loose that case and by the permission of any Indian courts Hindus will be able to build their temple, on what credible grounds you will be define would be harmony between both communities.

What BJP is saying now i think is the best option but they could have done this many years before. The Raj and Congress created a divide between both communities. The deliberate communication gap was politically enforced due to vote bank politics between Hindus and Muslims after independence which created this mess. There are many great muslim scholars, intellectual, living legends we have in India and both Hindu and muslim communities could have solved this issue but now the situation has gone out of proportion.