What's new

Biggest Sarkari Muslim of All Time "APJ Abdul Kalam" Being Put in His Place by 5000 Years Old Culture Leader

We don't care if scientists are spiritual as long as they get the work done as that's what matters in the end. And there's no compulsion that a scientist shouldn't pursue spirituality and thus comparing Dr Kalam with other scientists isn't correct. Everyone has their own methods.

Scientists are supposed to determine the scientific temperament of the society. They are social leaders also. A scientist with a medieval mindset no matter how good otherwise ( if that is possible) corrupts society by endorsing a fascist religious fundamentalist outlook. Which is what your Mr. Ugly Hair-do did.
The biggest lie is that he was the leader of your space and missile development . He was merely a front bureaucrat with the real work
being done by Kasturirangan.
This bumpkin mutton chop was
projected for political purposes for special psy-ops optics to the " enemy " ( and guess who that is 😀).
We know who your real scientists are and Tessie , Dhawan, and Kasturirangan deserve a big hand from the enemy.
They set standards for us to match and we did because our stanndards were more than those set by a squatter at the foot of a godman.

These mighty minds have a better demeanor.
1616883796745.jpeg


1616883990761.jpeg
 
Scientists are supposed to determine the scientific temperament of the society. They are social leaders also. A scientist with a medieval mindset no matter how good otherwise ( if that is possible) corrupts society by endorsing a fascist religious fundamentalist outlook. Which is what your Mr. Ugly Hair-do did.
The biggest lie is that he was the leader of your space and missile development . He was merely a front bureaucrat with the real work
being done by Kasturirangan.
This bumpkin mutton chop was
projected for political purposes for special psy-ops optics to the " enemy " ( and guess who that is 😀).
We know who your real scientists are and Tessie , Dhawan, and Kasturirangan deserve a big hand from the enemy.
They set standards for us to match and we did because our stanndards were more than those set by a squatter at the foot of a godman.

These mighty minds have a better demeanor.
You don't get my point, so let's agree to disagree.

Also, you don't get to be a director of scientific projects without doing anything.

And please refrain from using names against our former President. It doesn't suit you well.

Source: Wiki
Kalam was invited by Raja Ramanna to witness the country's first nuclear test Smiling Buddha as the representative of TBRL, even though he had not participated in its development. In the 1970s, Kalam also directed two projects, Project Devil and Project Valiant, which sought to develop ballistic missiles from the technology of the successful SLV programme.[28] Despite the disapproval of the Union Cabinet, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi allotted secret funds for these aerospace projects through her discretionary powers under Kalam's directorship.[28] Kalam played an integral role convincing the Union Cabinet to conceal the true nature of these classified aerospace projects.[28] His research and educational leadership brought him great laurels and prestige in the 1980s, which prompted the government to initiate an advanced missile programme under his directorship.[28] Kalam and Dr V S Arunachalam, metallurgist and scientific adviser to the Defence Minister, worked on the suggestion by the then Defence Minister, R. Venkataraman on a proposal for simultaneous development of a quiver of missiles instead of taking planned missiles one after another.[29] R Venkatraman was instrumental in getting the cabinet approval for allocating ₹ 3.88 billion for the mission, named Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) and appointed Kalam as the chief executive.[29] Kalam played a major part in developing many missiles under the mission including Agni, an intermediate range ballistic missile and Prithvi, the tactical surface-to-surface missile, although the projects have been criticised for mismanagement and cost and time overruns.[29][30]

Kalam served as the Chief Scientific Adviser to the Prime Minister and Secretary of the Defence Research and Development Organisation from July 1992 to December 1999. The Pokhran-II nuclear tests were conducted during this period in which he played an intensive political and technological role. Kalam served as the Chief Project Coordinator, along with Rajagopala Chidambaram, during the testing phase.[11][31] Media coverage of Kalam during this period made him the country's best known nuclear scientist.[32] However, the director of the site test, K Santhanam, said that the thermonuclear bomb had been a "fizzle" and criticised Kalam for issuing an incorrect report.[33] Both Kalam and Chidambaram dismissed the claims.[34]
 
Asghar Qadir

Ishrat Hussain Usmani

Sultan Bashiruddin Mehmood.

We got these GEMS from India !

Waiting for the next lot to flee.
Wonder how many minorities there are in the various Indian Institute of
Technologies. Couldn't be many but whatever there are, they are probably the best.
An Indian Muslim told me that to be successful in India over, and above discrimination, an IM has to be extra good academically and outwardly secular . So an IM must get 98% to be admitted as against his "Other backward caste " and Scheduled Caste, Scheduled Tribe counterparts who could get away with 45% marks in the entrance exams.
@xeuss is that correct ?
There must be a minuscule number of minorities in India's IITs because it is so difficult to get in.
I heard there are mentoring and coaching groups to improve the competitiveness of the minorities but they have attracted the attention of the VHP media outlets.

The thing is "Priming" plays a key factor . Everyone around you when belives you can't do anything except for making ruckus it do play a key role shaping the mind of the people. So whoever cross that hurdle you can guess he have to have the calibre to overcome not only one but two hurdles first is the exam and second is the "Priming factor" However in recent times the admission is attracting a quite a lot attention since the dominant people at helm getting their pie size reduced each time a new group joins their elite club .
 
Kalam was invited by Raja Ramanna to witness the country's first nuclear test Smiling Buddha as the representative of TBRL, even though he had not participated in its development

Invited ? So what was his contribution? It was Ramanna's achievement and had nothing to do with Kalam.

In the 1970s, Kalam also directed two projects, Project Devil and Project Valiant, which sought to develop ballistic missiles from the technology of the successful SLV program
The SLV had already been developed by Satish Dhawan and his team over a grueling 10 year program with failures until the first successful launch in 1980. Once the launch vehicle was developed swapping the satellite with a warhead is a relatively minor effort.

Here are two parallel examples:
The Soviet R-7 Semyorka rocket was a dual purpose launch vehicle to launch both satellites and nuclear warheads, and was used to launch the first satellite Sputnik 1 . It was an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile but became impractical once Soviet thermonuclear warheads became lighter ( brilliant work by Andre Sakharov ) and from the R-7 were developed the Vostock series of launch vehicles also used for manned space flights. It was Sergie Korelev and his team, which included Kerim Karimov who designed the R-7 putting the Soviet Union firmly into the lead in the design of launch vehicles in 1950s. The USA's Atlas missiles then were much smaller and imperfect. The USA only caught up and surpassed the Soviet Union by the mid 1960s when Von Braun's superb Saturn series of launch vehicles were developed.,
In both the USA and the Soviet Union the credit is given to Von Braun and Sergei Korelev though both initially had teams of former German Nazi scientists working for them. Sergei Korelev died in 1966 and didn't live to his efforts bloom into the Soviet Union's ( and now Russia's) successful space station development such as the Mir or the powerful Progress rockets that have served the International Space Station ferrying 121 cosmonauts.
Von Braun was the true pioneer of space flight and had designed the V2 rockets in the 1940s. Sergie Korelev and Karimovs rocket designs were unique and different from Von Braun's ( using multiple thruster motors in the first stage) but the basic principles adopted were the same and based off the pioneering work done by Tsiolokovsky and Goddard much earlier.


What Kalam actually did is unclear. He shuttled between the DRDO and ISRO more as political lackey cum
bureaucrat than a pioneering missile or launch vehicles designer.
There is not a SINGLE thesis or design published that is attributed to Kalam. His contribution to space flight and space technology is absolutely zero. Modern ground braking space launch technologies such as TR-106 engines ( developed by the brilliant Tom Mueller ) used in the reusable Space X vehicles are far beyond anything Kalam ever envisaged. After his retirement he couldn't even foresee where human space endeavors were heading and never wrote a single book or made a single lecture on the future of mankind's space travel. Unlike space engineers the world over ( including Pakistani engineers) who
acknowledge the achievements of Tsiolokovsky, Goddard, Braun, Korelev, Kerimov, and Mueller, Kalam has never once mentioned any of these men in any of his writings.

Despite the disapproval of the Union Cabinet, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi allotted secret funds for these aerospace projects through her discretionary powers under Kalam's directorship.[28]

Ok, so what was Kalams achievement . He was a political lackey.

Kalam played an integral role convincing the Union Cabinet to conceal the true nature of these classified aerospace projects.

What is so great about that ? Obviously space technology has strategic implications. Every Indian space scientist has requested confidentiality from the time of Vikram Sarabhai.

. The Pokhran-II nuclear tests were conducted during this period in which he played an intensive political and technological role. Kalam served as the Chief Project Coordinator, along with Rajagopala Chidambaram, during the testing phase.

Kalam was not a nuclear scientist
His claimed speciality was rocket technology. He had nothing to do with India's nuclear weapons programs.
The key word is "political " . The propaganda to the enemy is that we have a "scientist " of a particular community who is working against you. Shabby political propaganda with political lackey and a third rate bureaucrat.
Santhanam, said that the thermonuclear bomb had been a "fizzle" and criticised Kalam for issuing an incorrect report.[33]
Of course ! Santhanam being a true scientist and dedicated engineer knew better. How would a political lackey know what a real thermonuclear explosion is.

Scientists par excellence:
Sergei Korelev, Kurchatov and Keldysh
1616929268384.jpeg


I am sorry I have no reverence for your President and nor for that matter has anyone else in the rest of the world besides India.
 
Last edited:
Invited ? So what was his contribution? It was Ramanna's achievement and had nothing to do with Kalam.


The SLV had already been developed by Satish Dhawan and his team over a grueling 10 year program with failures until the first successful launch in 1980. Once the launch vehicle was developed swapping the satellite with a warhead is a relatively minor effort.

Here are two parallel examples:
The Soviet R-7 Semyorka rocket was a dual purpose launch vehicle to launch both satellites and nuclear warheads, and was used to launch the first satellite Sputnik 1 . It was an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile but became impractical once Soviet thermonuclear warheads became lighter ( brilliant work by Andre Sakharov ) and from the R-7 were developed the Vostock series of launch vehicles also used for manned space flights. It was Sergie Korelev and his team, which included Kerim Karimov who designed the R-7 putting the Soviet Union firmly into the lead in the design of launch vehicles in 1950s. The USA's Atlas missiles then were much smaller and imperfect. The USA only caught up and surpassed the Soviet Union by the mid 1960s when Von Braun's superb Saturn series of launch vehicles were developed.,
In both the USA and the Soviet Union the credit is given to Von Braun and Sergei Korelev though both initially had teams of former German Nazi scientists working for them. Sergei Korelev died in 1966 and didn't live to his efforts bloom into the Soviet Union's ( and now Russia's) successful space station development such as the Mir or the powerful Progress rockets that have served the International Space Station ferrying 121 cosmonauts.
Von Braun was the true pioneer of space flight and had designed the V2 rockets in the 1940s. Sergie Korelev and Karimovs rocket designs were unique and different from Von Braun's ( using multiple thruster motors in the first stage) but the basic principles adopted were the same and based off the pioneering work done by Tsiolokovsky and Goddard much earlier.


What Kalam actually did is unclear. He shuttled between the DRDO and ISRO more as political lackey cum
bureaucrat than a pioneering missile or launch vehicles designer.
There is not a SINGLE thesis or design published that is attributed to Kalam. His contribution to space flight and space technology is absolutely zero. Modern ground braking space launch technologies such as TR-106 engines ( developed by the brilliant Tom Mueller ) used in the reusable Space X vehicles are far beyond anything Kalam ever envisaged. After his retirement he couldn't even foresee where human space endeavors were heading and never wrote a single book or made a single lecture on the future of mankind's space travel. Unlike space engineers the world over ( including Pakistani engineers) who
acknowledge the achievements of Tsiolokovsky, Goddard, Braun, Korelev, Kerimov, and Mueller, Kalam has never once mentioned any of these men in any of his writings.



Ok, so what was Kalams achievement . He was a political lackey.



What is so great about that ? Obviously space technology has strategic implications. Every Indian space scientist has requested confidentiality from the time of Vikram Sarabhai.



Kalam was not a nuclear scientist
His claimed speciality was rocket technology. He had nothing to do with India's nuclear weapons programs.
The key word is "political " . The propaganda to the enemy is that we have a "scientist " of a particular community who is working against you. Shabby political propaganda with political lackey and a third rate bureaucrat.

Of course ! Santhanam being a true scientist and dedicated engineer knew better. How would a political lackey know what a real thermonuclear explosion is.

Scientists par excellence:
Sergei Korelev, Kurchatov and Keldysh
View attachment 729000

I am sorry I have no reverence for your President and nor for that matter has anyone else in the rest of the world besides India.
With this logic of yours, no entrepreneur (Jack Ma, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc) should be given credit for whatever he does. And you are speaking as if you were actually part of those various projects lol. How do you know who contributed how much?

Anyway, your opinion on him doesn't matter to us. So let's leave it at that and save your keystrokes. :-)
 
With this logic of yours, no entrepreneur (Jack Ma, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc) should be given credit for whatever he does.

My last "key strokes" for you.
Wrong again.
Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates personally worked on DOS ( Disk Operated Systems ) and MS (Microsoft Windows). They were computer enthusiasts, working from their garages much before they became businessmen and had no political patronage. They were in the forefront of the group of pioneers who founded the concept of the personal computer.
Comparing Kalam with Steve Jobs is hilarious. Kalam doesn't even measure up with anyone in his own "claimed field ".
Abdul Kalam has pioneered and founded NOTHING. He is not even an honest follower of those who did pioneer because he has never mentioned a single other pioneering scientist in his speeches and writings.

Chinese space scientists honor their Soviet peers. These were pure scientists with NO political ambitions.

Read about Qian Xuesen who
was deported from the USA.
(Link)

_115081432_qianxuesen-1.jpg


I am sorry you can't force me to do "Puja" to him. You don't control opinion in Pakistan or any other part of the world. There are far better persons to relate to. What the USA and other countries think of your president is reflected in the incident below . 🙂

 
Back
Top Bottom