Big buy: Stage set for $2.2bn jet deal with US

[CONNAN]

Big buy: Stage set for $2.2bn jet deal with US - India - The Times of India

Moving closer to clinching what will be the largest-ever Indo-American defence deal till now, the US Congress has now been notified about the impending sale of 10 C-17 Globemaster-III giant strategic airlift aircraft to India
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US Defence Security Cooperation Agency notified its Congress last week about the possible Globemaster sale, which is "an important step forward" under the American Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme in a direct government-to-government deal.

Though the exact contract cost is yet to be worked out, each C-17 aircraft manufactured by Boeing comes for around $220 million, adding up to a total of $2.2 billion, as reported by TOI earlier. With the associated equipment, it could go upto $3 billion.

In fact, if India exercises all the available options of equipment, spares, support, training and services for the C-17s, the deal could be worth a whopping $5.8 billion, says the notification.

Either way, it will overtake the $2.1 billion contract for eight Boeing P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft inked last year and the $962 million one for six C-130J 'Super Hercules' planes clinched in 2007.

"The sale of C-17s strengthens the growing partnership between two countries, and demonstrates our enduring commitment to sharing the world's best technology with India," said US ambassador Timothy J Roemer.

 

[ramu]

This will be an important step in gearing up and try out the effectiveness of various war doctrines that India is formulating.

This tactical abilities and the boost in and military logistics capability will challenge the response time of the enemy and keep them on their toes.

 

[ramu]

Wiki extract :

In June 2009, the Indian Air Force (IAF) selected the C-17 to fulfill its Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft requirement. If the deal is approved by the Indian Defence Ministry, the C-17 would replace the Ilyushin Il-76 as the largest heavy lift transport aircraft in-service with the IAF. According to the Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P. V. Naik, the IAF plans to order ten C-17 aircraft. As of June 2009, the selection was being reviewed by the Indian Defense Ministry, but an order has not been placed.
According to Indian media reports in October 2009, the Defense Acquisition Council of India has "almost finalized" the deal with the United States for 10 C-17s. US Ambassador to India, Timothy J. Roemer, expressed optimism over the deal and said that the United States was committed to expanding the "strategic lift capability" of the Indian Air Force. In January 2010, the US Government received a request from India for 10 C-17s through a Foreign Military Sale. It has been reported that India will buy C-17s on a government-to-government basis.

 

[ramu]

Space inside C - 17

 

[Kinetic]

With all equipments $5.8 billion? $ 580 million per aircraft? Either they are crazy or the Indians are crazy!!! If its $ 3 billion than also lot of money. We can invest them in a better way. C-17 is a good aircraft. It will increase our heavy lift capabilities but too much costly for the IAF.


C-17 Globemaster-III
Payload: 77.5 ton
Range: 4500 km
Price: $ ~300 million

Il-76MF
Payload: ~50 ton
Range: 6300 km
Price: $ ~32 million


C-17 space

 

[chachachoudhary]

This will be an important step in gearing up and try out the effectiveness of various war doctrines that India is formulating./QUOTE]

War doctrines? Can you shed some light on any long-term war doctrine adopted by india?

As far as I know, india's only war doctrine is "wake up when your neighbour gets something and then run for the possible counters"

India's only war doctrine is ad hoc reactionary military purchases, delays, rejections, and yes "PANCHSHEEL" that is present your bare posterior to your adversary with white doves.

 

[Kinetic]

War doctrines? Can you shed some light on any long-term war doctrine adopted by india?

As far as I know, india's only war doctrine is "wake up when your neighbour gets something and then run for the possible counters"

India's only war doctrine is ad hoc reactionary military purchases, delays, rejections, and yes "PANCHSHEEL" that is present your bare posterior to your adversary with white doves.

'Panchasheel' other BS are over, India understood this after 60 years of independence. Now they adopted 'cold start' doctrine that will allow even preemptive strike.It will require huge airlifting and very swift attack capabilities. The armed forces are working on it. It also needs lot more infrastructure and much more modern equipments. But the result is unrecoverable damage to the enemy.

BTW Russia starting production of An-124 again. India should look at that.

 

[sudhir007]

why not india go for AN-124-150 it is much cheaper about $100M and better payload

C-17 Globemaster-III
Payload: 77.5 ton
Range: 4500 km
Price: $ ~300 million

Il-76MF
Payload: ~50 ton
Range: 6300 km
Price: $ ~32 million

Now check this one
AN-124-150
Payload: ~150 ton
Range: 5200 km
Price: $ ~100 million
Service Life: 50,000 hours

 

[A$HU]

But the newspapers are quoting the price as 5.8 bln$.I read in hindustan times and a hindi newspaper too today.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

why not india go for AN-124-150 it is much cheaper about $100M and better payload


Now check this one
AN-124-150
Payload: ~150 ton
Range: 5200 km
Price: $ ~100 million
Service Life: 50,000 hours

Well the AN 124 production is not there right now...once it starts then the whole wheel will turn...thats why the order is for lesser C 17 for strategic airlift.

 

[CONNAN]

Well the AN 124 production is not there right now...once it starts then the whole wheel will turn...thats why the order is for lesser C 17 for strategic airlift.

AN 124

 

[EjazR]

Stage set for largest-ever Indo-American defence deal-Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

NEW DELHI: Moving closer to clinching what will be the largest-ever Indo-American defence deal, the US Congress has now been notified about the impending sale of 10 C-17 Globemaster-III giant strategic airlift aircraft to India.

US Defence Security Cooperation Agency notified its Congress last week about the possible Globemaster sale, which is “an important step forward’’ under the American Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme in a direct government-to-government deal.

Though the contract cost is yet to be worked out, each C-17 aircraft made by Boeing comes for $220 million, adding up to $2.2 billion, as reported by TOI earlier. With the associated equipment, it could go up to $3 billion. In fact, if India exercises all the available options of equipment, spares, support, training and services for the C-17 s, the deal could be worth $5.8 billion, says the notification.

Either way, it will overtake the $2.1 billion contract for eight Boeing P-8 I long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft inked last year and the $962 million one for six C-130 J ‘Super Hercules’ planes clinched in 2007.

“The potential sale of C-17 s strengthens the growing partnership between our two countries, and demonstrates our enduring commitment to sharing the world’s best technology with India,’’ said US ambassador Timothy J Roemer.

The IAF certainly needs to augment its strategic airlift capability to swiftly move large combat systems and troops over large national and international distances, given that it has barely a dozen Russian-origin IL-76 ‘Gajraj’ aircraft. The massive four-engine C-17 dwarfs them all.

Capable of carrying a payload of 164,900 pounds after taking off from a mere 7,000-feet airstrip, it can transport tanks and troops over 2,400 nautical miles.

 

[Raje amar]

Guys just googling about G17. found some cool facts.

The design of the aircraft lets it operate through small, austere airfields. The C-17 can take off and land on runways as short as 3,000 feet (914 meters) and as narrow as 90 feet (27.4 meters) wide. Even on such narrow runways, the C-17 can turn around using a three-point star turn and its backing capability.

The C-17 is equipped with an externally blown flap system that allows a steep, low-speed final approach and low-landing speeds for routine short-field landings. With this powered-lift system, the engine exhaust flow is directed below and through slotted flaps to produce additional lifting force and allow steeper landing descents.

Altitude with 60 000 kg payload: 11 171 m

Altitude with 70 000 kg payload: 9 805 m



while IL76 needs a runway of 1600M to take off & A124 of 2200M

 

[DMLA]

From brf/ shiv aroor:

• 45 F117-PW-100 Engines (40 Installed and 5 Spare Engines),
• 10 AN/ALE-47 Counter-Measures Dispensing Systems,
• 10 AN/AAR-47Missile Warning Systems,
• Spare and Repairs Parts,
• Repair and Return,
• Warranty,
• Pyrotechnics,
• Flares,
• Other Explosives,
• Aircraft Ferry and Refueling Support,
• Crew Armor,
• Mission Planning System Software,
• Communication Equipment and Support,
• Personnel Training
• Training Equipment,
• Publications and Technical Data,
• U.S. Government and Contractor Technical, Engineering, & Logistics Support Services,
• & Other Related Elements of Logistics Support.

estimated cost: $5.8 billion

Source : LiveFist - The Best of Indian Defence: $5.8-Billion C-17s For India Deal Progresses

 

[CONNAN]

why this is moved to china defence