Bhensa has been controlled.

[Solomon2]

We do allow freedom of expression as much as possible but in the name of freedom, blasphemous content cannot be allowed whatsoever.

On the contrary: in the name of freedom blasphemous content has to be permitted. Furthermore, only when blasphemy is an option can individuals choose the path of holiness instead.

Will be told, when proven that State has done it, till then patience is the key...

Why be patient? Are citizens supposed act like sheep while wolves prowls in their midst?

 

[The Eagle]

Why be patient? Are citizens supposed act like sheep while wolves prowls in their midst?

Exactly, but it will take time though in the end there will be justice for Palestine and all that Israeli atrocities......

 

[HAIDER]

We do allow freedom of expression as much as possible but in the name of freedom, blasphemous content cannot be allowed whatsoever.

The proof of freedon of expression is this thread as well containing few hundred posts on such controversial subject. But in the name of discussion, sharing or publicising any kind of blasphemous cannot will not be allowed intentionally or unintentionally. So please refrain quoting such sites or your posts will be deleted.

If you do like to discuss such subject in greater depth, Google is your best friend for finding such sites.

PS: Feel free to tag me if anyon shares such links

@Zaki Nodoubt , more we discuss this issue , more these type of pages get publicity . Its better to make PDF policy for the publication of blasphemy material . Either delete all such type of threads or if you allow to discuss blasphemy subject , alteast stop naming the pages where gustakhana material exist. We can t counter those pages one by one , social media is all of sudden full of this issue after Charlie Hebdo killed.
Do you know how much promotion given to Bhensa page by us ? .....Few weeks ago , majority of PDF member didn t even know about such pages .... and know.

 

[Hyde]

On the contrary: in the name of freedom blasphemous content has to be permitted. Furthermore, only when blasphemy is an option can individuals choose the path of holiness instead.

This post reflects my personal opinion only and nowhere is a stated policy of this forum.

1) People like you come to this forum with clear agenda of defending attrocities of Israel, bash every Muslim country and publicise all negative news about Pakistan to mock the nation and satisfy your ego. What action did we take in return? Almost nothing besides legitimate infractions for inappropriate posts. Thats what I say is the example of freedom of expression

2) When this scandal was in the making we have conditionally allowed certain links as a reference to assert the point of view of members but this forum cannot be allowed to be used as a platform for promoting such blasphemous content

3) We have list of banned terms which we revise from time to time as you know already and if we did not censor many subjects on this forum, it would not have been such an open place for all. People would rather have been engaging in doing personal attacks and swearing at each other all the time

4) You have no idea how many terrorist sympathisers we ban on monthly basis because they softly defend any group banned by a country or united nations. If we had allowed complete freedom of expression like Facebook then you would have been surrounded by many idiots

5) If we say there are two extremist groups, one in favour of blasphemy and another hanging them in the street, we have disallowed both type of extremists as this is not a platform to settle your personal vandetta.

I expect not to engage in another discussion on this matter

 

[Solomon2]

Exactly, but it will take time though in the end there will be justice for Palestine and all that Israeli atrocities......

So Israel-hatred is important because it can be wielded to shield intrusive Pakistani government officials from public scrutiny and accountability. You know this is road the Syrians took, right?

...People like you come to this forum with clear agenda of defending attrocities of Israel...

As discussed many times, Pakistanis aren't equipped to make any charges against Israel, since these are grounded in politics and deliberate mis-education rather than fact.

So if you want to have a moral voice rather than simply serve as an echo of government policy you have to fight for greater freedom of speech in Pakistan. That path is open to you: switch sides and support the snatched activists and writers.

You have no idea how many terrorist sympathisers we ban on monthly basis -

You may not like some of their methods or stupidities but do you share the same goals?

If we say there are two extremist groups, one in favour of blasphemy and another hanging them in the street, we have disallowed both type of extremists -

You expect blasphemers to be espouse violence to the same extent the intolerant do?

I expect not to engage in another discussion on this matter

Do you want PDF to be a forum for discussion or merely an echo chamber to support permitted ideas, rather than challenge them?

 

[The Eagle]

So Israel-hatred is important because it can be wielded to shield intrusive Pakistani government officials. You know this is road the Syrians took, right?

Read post #684....

Hatred who said it.... it is a fact, loud & clearly a fact.

Keep it yourself and don't try to twist, divert the topic at all. It is actually your grudge and enmity against Pakistan that every now & then, people like you do not miss a chance to propagate as such. You are not police here demanding such answers. Syria etc, road, our Government Officials, wielded to shield etc, all are exposing yourself that what exactly you are up-to.

 

[Solomon2]

Hatred who said it.... it is a fact, loud & clearly a fact. Keep it yourself and don't try to twist, divert the topic at all.

Shouldn't you be talking to yourself here?

 

[VCheng]

Do you want PDF to be a forum for discussion or merely an echo chamber to support permitted ideas, rather than challenge them?

It is the right of the management to run their forum as they see fit. Participation by members is voluntary based on those policies.

 

[The Eagle]

Shouldn't you be talking to yourself here?

Yeah, when it comes to Israeli war crimes and atrocities in Palestine and UN action, telling to Israeli is like talking to self, exactly.

 

[Mrc]

Don't know ... But right now I launche a complain to FIA cyber crime force .........

This may be run from outside pk may ve a lure to find out how original id's were hacked... in time they too will succumb to their own schemes

 

[Hyde]

So Israel-hatred is important because it can be wielded to shield intrusive Pakistani government officials from public scrutiny and accountability. You know this is road the Syrians took, right?

As discussed many times, Pakistanis aren't equipped to make any charges against Israel, since these are grounded in politics and deliberate mis-education rather than fact.

So if you want to have a moral voice rather than simply serve as an echo of government policy you have to fight for greater freedom of speech in Pakistan. That path is open to you: switch sides and support the snatched activists and writers.

You may not like some of their methods or stupidities but do you share the same goals?

You expect blasphemers to be espouse violence to the same extent the intolerant do?

Do you want PDF to be a forum for discussion or merely an echo chamber to support permitted ideas, rather than challenge them?

1) I am not sure why the world cannot stay in peace by not breaching the red lines of each others tolerance. The fact is, there is one group of extremists in my opinion, whatever you wanna name them is your choice, who would poke in the affair of religious people and mock their Prophet to infuriate them. For me they are as extremist as the other group who would retaliate and willing to kill such people.

I hardly care what they do in private life but such discussion playing with the emotions of each other will only sow seeds of hatred. We do not want the platform of PDF to be used to promote blasphemous content although we do welcome debate on blasphemy for as long as it remains civil, have been doing since inception of this forum

2) I am not debating whether blasphey law is good or bad, blashpemous content should be allowed or not. I am telling that please refrain from posting such content or the posts will be deleted

Thank you

 

[Solomon2]

1) I am not sure why the world cannot stay in peace by not breaching the red lines of each others tolerance. The fact is, there is one group of extremists in my opinion, whatever you wanna name them is your choice, who would poke in the affair of religious people and mock their Prophet to infuriate them. For me they are as extremist as the other group who would retaliate and willing to kill such people.

In the West people are responsible for their own actions. Why not in Pakistan? If you and I argued over our favorite football teams and you decided there was no other way to "win" other than by beating me to a pulp, would you be excused for your violent act because I made you mad? Would that make ME an "extremist" like you?

I hardly care what they do in private life but such discussion playing with the emotions of each other will only sow seeds of hatred.

Is it your right to love yourself without question?

...I am not debating whether blasphey law is good or bad, blashpemous content should be allowed or not. I am telling that please refrain from posting such content or the posts will be deleted

Attempts to follow Pakistan's censorship laws and mores have put you in a tight spot.

As I've cited several times, the parallel case in U.S. history was the action by slave states in the 1830s to restrict discussions on abolishing slavery. Soon, every political contest and even social discussion became a competition between who was more anti-abolitionist than the other, for the loser might end up in jail. The South became more and more extreme, embracing the "purple dream" of an expanding slaveholding empire stretching through the Americas and the Caribbean that would challenge the might of Free States. It was at this point that the Civil War became inevitable.

 

[The Eagle]

Why be patient?

Now back to your first post here quoting me....

Because it may take time to reveal the real story of those persons. or what else do you want to read?

Are citizens supposed act like sheep while wolves prowls in their midst?

I am Pakistani Citizen like many others, living in Pakistan, whom are you calling the sheep here.... None asked any citizen to act as such and it is unclear where they are and who have them... they may be hiding as well as per strategy... You should review the way for a question.....

 

[Solomon2]

Because it may take time to reveal the real story of those persons.

Why should that be important? They were disappeared. The effect of their disappearance is repression no matter who actually did it, right?

I am Pakistani Citizen like many others, living in Pakistan, whom are you calling the sheep here.... None asked any citizen to act as such -

Irony.

 

[Hyde]

In the West people are responsible for their own actions. Why not in Pakistan? If you and I argued over our favorite football teams and you decided there was no other way to "win" other than by beating me to a pulp, would you be excused for your violent act because I made you mad? Would that make ME an "extremist" like you?

Is it your right to love yourself without question?

Attempts to follow Pakistan's censorship laws and mores have put you in a tight spot.

As I've cited several times, the parallel case in U.S. history was the action by slave states in the 1830s to restrict discussions on abolishing slavery. Soon, every political contest and even social discussion became a competition between who was more anti-abolitionist than the other, for the loser might end up in jail. The South became more and more extreme, embracing the "purple dream" of an expanding slaveholding empire stretching through the Americas and the Caribbean that would challenge the might of Free States. It was at this point that the Civil War became inevitable.

What you are doing is.. discussing whether such law or discussion should take place or not. Its allowed and that is why this thread and few hundred threads are open.

What I am saying is, sharing blasphemous content is not allowed and the policy will remain like that