BEZA, BEPZA to make $4.5b investment

[TOTUU]

Bold part: Japan was already an industrial giant long before the 2nd WW. With this industrial myth, it went ahead to conquer its nearby lands. It captured Taiwan in 1895, for example, and Korea in 1905.

I better not say about its war against China because you will not like it and I personally despise the Japanese attitude in China. However, we must admit Japan defeated the Russian naval fleet in the East Japan Sea in 1905 when Russia was the most formidable naval power of those days, much higher than the British or French.

However, after WWll, the USA did not help Japan, a formidable Asian power, with financial loans. Its Marshal Plan was implemented to reconstruct Europe but not Japan. However, Japan was helped during the Korean war by the USA by asking Japan to provide/sell technology products to its war efforts in nearby Korea. Please note that Japan was a technology country even at that time. The same happened in the Vietnam war. Japan benefited and reconstructed its economy.

This helped Japan to start the reconstruction of its economy.

Thank you, I like to look at things objectively as much as you do. I actually used to have the same perception of this as you, but I now have more comprehensive information to relook at.

All of what I have described below can be searched and looked up on the Internet.


Japan received support from Britain in 1895, 1905, in arms, loans. Both of these time periods belonged to the end of dynasties in China and Russia. Japan's level of industrialization in World War II was also far below that of the Soviet Union. the Russian Navy in 1905, whose naval capabilities were far weaker than those of Britain and France, and at the same time far stronger than the Japanese Navy, was still fortunate enough to win due to British and French support. the mere fact that Britain and France did not open the Suez Canal to the Russian fleet made the Russian fleet go around the world, and with the level of technology of warships at the time, in such a situation Japan was all about betting on national luck to win the Russian Navy.

Similarly, in World War II, before the United States declared war on Japan, a large amount of Japanese military supplies were provided and supported by the United States.
In the first few years after the end of World War II, the U.S. policy toward the two defeated countries, Germany and Japan, was to weaken both countries as much as possible, but the changing international situation caused the U.S. to change its policy. It may be difficult for us now to imagine how fast and complex the international situation changed at that time.

Japan at the end of World War II, including before World War II, his level of science and technology, the level of industrial products have never been internationally competitive, to put it bluntly, is poor quality, the price is not low. The United States in the Korean War, provided by Japan are low-end industrial products, no high-tech products that you say, in fact, is the clothes, shoes, soap these. But with the war, the United States support, Japan's progress very fast, to the 60s, and the Vietnam War, at this time, low-end products provided by South Korea, Japan began to provide mid-range products.

For a country to develop, there must be both internal and external factors, and Japan and South Korea without the support of the United States, then they might only have half of what they have today. We can imagine that if the U.S. did not support their development, then Japan and South Korea would not have gained a market for their technology no matter how much they invested in the field of science and technology. If they were an enemy of the United States, then their reputation would become poor and their products would have no chance of development.

I can be sure that if Bangladesh is in that position in Japan, it can also get the same support from Britain, the United States. Of course it would be equally developed country，Maybe the degree of developed is different 。some people think their country is not developed because of corrupt government and politicians, I think it is incomplete. All politicians in Japan are family owned and can inherit political positions and legacies, all presidents in Korean history have gone to jail after stepping down. If anyone is interested in this they can search for information on this.

 

[UKBengali]

Thank you, I like to look at things objectively as much as you do. I actually used to have the same perception of this as you, but I now have more comprehensive information to relook at.

All of what I have described below can be searched and looked up on the Internet.


Japan received support from Britain in 1895, 1905, in arms, loans. Both of these time periods belonged to the end of dynasties in China and Russia. Japan's level of industrialization in World War II was also far below that of the Soviet Union. the Russian Navy in 1905, whose naval capabilities were far weaker than those of Britain and France, and at the same time far stronger than the Japanese Navy, was still fortunate enough to win due to British and French support. the mere fact that Britain and France did not open the Suez Canal to the Russian fleet made the Russian fleet go around the world, and with the level of technology of warships at the time, in such a situation Japan was all about betting on national luck to win the Russian Navy.
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Similarly, in World War II, before the United States declared war on Japan, a large amount of Japanese military supplies were provided and supported by the United States.
In the first few years after the end of World War II, the U.S. policy toward the two defeated countries, Germany and Japan, was to weaken both countries as much as possible, but the changing international situation caused the U.S. to change its policy. It may be difficult for us now to imagine how fast and complex the international situation changed at that time.

Japan at the end of World War II, including before World War II, his level of science and technology, the level of industrial products have never been internationally competitive, to put it bluntly, is poor quality, the price is not low. The United States in the Korean War, provided by Japan are low-end industrial products, no high-tech products that you say, in fact, is the clothes, shoes, soap these. But with the war, the United States support, Japan's progress very fast, to the 60s, and the Vietnam War, at this time, low-end products provided by South Korea, Japan began to provide mid-range products.

For a country to develop, there must be both internal and external factors, and Japan and South Korea without the support of the United States, then they might only have half of what they have today. We can imagine that if the U.S. did not support their development, then Japan and South Korea would not have gained a market for their technology no matter how much they invested in the field of science and technology. If they were an enemy of the United States, then their reputation would become poor and their products would have no chance of development.

I can be sure that if Bangladesh is in that position in Japan, it can also get the same support from Britain, the United States. Of course it would be equally developed country，Maybe the degree of developed is different 。some people think their country is not developed because of corrupt government and politicians, I think it is incomplete. All politicians in Japan are family owned and can inherit political positions and legacies, all presidents in Korean history have gone to jail after stepping down. If anyone is interested in this they can search for information on this.

Excellent post.

Only the rise of China will allow countries like BD to maybe one-day be like the developed countries. Otherwise they could only become “middle-income” at most.

 

[bluesky]

1) Firstly get the FDI money

2) Secondly use the money Industrialize the country

- No, create an atmosphere so that Foreign Direct Investments or FDIs are interested to put money here in BD to build industries of their own choice.

- And, also encourage our own would-be investors to build industries of certain categories selected by a govt authority if they want to use the EPZ facilities.

- Ask the govt/ Banks to provide them loans, both in Taka and dollars. Taka is needed to finance local construction and other costs. Dollars are needed to purchase 2nd hand labor-intensive machines and equipment from countries like Japan, South Korea, and China.

- Locals are free to select industries of their choice if outside the EPZs.

 

[SpaceMan18]

I replied to you all together.
Regardless of several routes, you have to start from the low end, all national development from low to high, trying to do directly to the high-end, which is very difficult and almost doomed to failure.

Seize the opportunity of industrial transfer from other countries. In the process of development, the industry that develops well is its own advantageous industry.

Japan and South Korea have grown with a lot of support from the United States. The United States did this not only to deal with China and the Soviet Union, but also to deal with the countries of Western Europe. By supporting the industries of South Korea and Japan, the United States has greatly weakened the industrial capacity of Europe. For example, Europe's shipbuilding, automobile, and electronics industries. Of course Japan and South Korea are also paying the price, they do not have complete national sovereignty, economic sovereignty.

China will also need some friendly countries to industrialize later to help China suppress the United States and Western Europe. Just like the US uses Japan and Korea to suppress China, Europe.

Like my reply above, the current international situation predetermines that the FDI in Bangladesh will not be high. Investment from Europe, America, Japan and Korea to Bangladesh will not be high. At the same time, India will also use various methods to prevent China from investing in India's neighboring countries, which certainly includes Bangladesh.

I agree I guess , BD needs some better leadership and less corruption while it must try it's best to industrialize and find a way to keep bringing in the FDI while it uses that money to make it's indigenous infrastructure and also fund it's domestic technology related industries

 

[bluesky]

Regardless of several routes, you have to start from the low end, all national development from low to high, trying to do directly to the high-end, which is very difficult and almost doomed to failure.

- However, our BD brats here do not want internal combustion engines because it is old. They want BD to suddenly build EVs. You will read it in many posts. However, Bd does not have even a factory to assemble gasoline cars.

- Our BD people want BD to enter suddenly the 4IR era when Bd is even unable to enter the 1 1/2IR era.

 

[The Ronin]

However, Bd does not have even a factory to assemble gasoline cars.

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[TOTUU]

- However, our BD brats here do not want internal combustion engines because it is old. They want BD to suddenly build EVs. You will read it in many posts. However, Bd does not have even a factory to assemble gasoline cars.

- Our BD people want BD to enter suddenly the 4IR era when Bd is even unable to enter the 1 1/2IR era.

Yes, you're right ，Bro . That's human nature. We all love the harvest season.
The proverbial --- sowing is hard work and the harvest is joyful .

Bangladesh be sure to do a good job of industrial planning, never choose those developed countries in the competition, such as electric cars, these frontier industry competition, in most cases, the competition is not technology, but a competition of political and national power. For example, when Japan lost to South Korea in the cell phone industry and electronics industry. For example, Europe in the electronics industry lost to Japan. They lost because the United States supported their competitors.

Only the bosses like and support the staff to get better positions and treatment. A staff's ability is very important, hard work is also very important, but the boss's appreciation is the most important.

These words may sound harsh, but that's the reality.

 

[UKBengali]

Only the bosses like and support the staff to get better positions and treatment. A staff's ability is very important, hard work is also very important, but the boss's appreciation is the most important.

I am doing much better in my career now that I work for myself and do not have a "boss" anymore.

 

[bluesky]

Yes, you're right ，Bro . That's human nature. We all love the harvest season.
The proverbial --- sowing is hard work and the harvest is joyful .

Bangladesh be sure to do a good job of industrial planning, never choose those developed countries in the competition, such as electric cars, these frontier industry competition, in most cases, the competition is not technology, but a competition of political and national power. For example, when Japan lost to South Korea in the cell phone industry and electronics industry. For example, Europe in the electronics industry lost to Japan. They lost because the United States supported their competitors.

Only the bosses like and support the staff to get better positions and treatment. A staff's ability is very important, hard work is also very important, but the boss's appreciation is the most important.

These words may sound harsh, but that's the reality.

I think BD should choose labor-intensive industries whose products have domestic demands and that can somehow substitute imports. These machines are available in Japan, Korea, and China.

It is not that we should bar someone who wants to produce ICT/ IT-related high technology goods. I am talking about the overall needs of the country that leads to preferences. Preferences arise from the need of keeping our people employed and the shortage of big money to import high technology machines.

BD is still unable to produce very low-tech machines run by electricity. And even in the construction fields here in Japan, I can see hundreds of types of small machines, operated by battery or electricity, the laborers here use every day. It surprises me to see the varieties. BD needs those machines that can produce these kinds of small tools.

However, for the last 50 years, we have been producing garments but have been unable to produce sewing machines. Only recently someone sent a picture showing that our WALTON has started to produce Sewing Machines and their components. It is a good sign.

Better late than never.

 

[Bilal9]

Every countries' situation is different. From what I know, Vietnam is now the hottest investment destination.

Vietnam's attractiveness to foreign investment is very strong , Vietnam is now attracting more foreign investment than Vietnam needs, so now the Vietnamese government will choose among them. Vietnam will choose the high quality investment projects with high technology, low pollution, and so on.

In the past, when China attracted foreign investment, there were many preferential conditions, such as free land, decades of tax breaks, no restrictions on any environmental pollution, and labor rights protection.

The development of a country also requires a certain international situation and international environment. Now this era is just perfect for Vietnam.

Bangladesh's current development environment is not as good as Vietnam, but it is also very good.

Well it is a wide, big world out there brother.

All kinds of items will need to be made, with deft fingers belonging to poor semi-educated young people adding value, some of them for sure Bangladeshi.

Bangladesh at the end of the day, is not competing with educated labor of Vietnam. Labor rates for apparel is half that of Vietnam. That is our bread and butter and will remain so for a while.

We also have similar industries with low level value addition like making toys, shoes, plastic items etc.

But Bangladesh like India is also doing better in IT labor (like India) because of our English language proficiency. Bangladesh is the second largest source of Freelance IT labor after India.

So yes - Bangladesh offers many different types of value addition skills, not just apparel. We supply our local market in very large measure.

These products are also 100% made in Bangladesh and exported to over 100 countries including EU.

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Lightweight premium mountain bike with 6061 alloy frame, soon also with carbon frame, exported to EU.

 

[TOTUU]

I think BD should choose labor-intensive industries whose products have domestic demands and that can somehow substitute imports.

It is not that we should bar someone who wants to produce ICT/ IT-related high technology goods. I am talking about the overall needs of the country that leads to preferences. Preferences arise from the need of keeping our people employed and the shortage of big money to import high technology machines.

Better late than never.

Your views are very wise and sensible. I couldn't agree more with your thoughts 。

Step by step, getting better day by day.

Personally, I do not approve of the idea of those who want to skip the low-end and mid-range industries and go straight to high-tech industries. There are no shortcuts to success.

 

[Destranator]

After reading the news I found BEPZA will invest $4.5 billion, set up more than 300 industrial units and create 500,000 jobs as if everything will fall down from the sky.

These two inefficient will only waste our money and nothing else. It is as usual a piece of futuristic news without substance, যাকে বলে গাছে কাঁঠাল আর গোঁফে তেল।

It is a poorly written article. My read of it is they'll invest the money to buy land and set up basic infrastructure, roads, electrical distribution, pipelines, etc.. it is the investors who will create jobs. Of course you have to make sure enough investors are happy to invest.

 

[bluesky]

Thank you, I like to look at things objectively as much as you do. I actually used to have the same perception of this as you, but I now have more comprehensive information to relook at.

All of what I have described below can be searched and looked up on the Internet.


Japan received support from Britain in 1895, 1905, in arms, loans. Both of these time periods belonged to the end of dynasties in China and Russia. Japan's level of industrialization in World War II was also far below that of the Soviet Union. the Russian Navy in 1905, whose naval capabilities were far weaker than those of Britain and France, and at the same time far stronger than the Japanese Navy, was still fortunate enough to win due to British and French support. the mere fact that Britain and France did not open the Suez Canal to the Russian fleet made the Russian fleet go around the world, and with the level of technology of warships at the time, in such a situation Japan was all about betting on national luck to win the Russian Navy.
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Similarly, in World War II, before the United States declared war on Japan, a large amount of Japanese military supplies were provided and supported by the United States.
In the first few years after the end of World War II, the U.S. policy toward the two defeated countries, Germany and Japan, was to weaken both countries as much as possible, but the changing international situation caused the U.S. to change its policy. It may be difficult for us now to imagine how fast and complex the international situation changed at that time.

Japan at the end of World War II, including before World War II, his level of science and technology, the level of industrial products have never been internationally competitive, to put it bluntly, is poor quality, the price is not low. The United States in the Korean War, provided by Japan are low-end industrial products, no high-tech products that you say, in fact, is the clothes, shoes, soap these. But with the war, the United States support, Japan's progress very fast, to the 60s, and the Vietnam War, at this time, low-end products provided by South Korea, Japan began to provide mid-range products.

For a country to develop, there must be both internal and external factors, and Japan and South Korea without the support of the United States, then they might only have half of what they have today. We can imagine that if the U.S. did not support their development, then Japan and South Korea would not have gained a market for their technology no matter how much they invested in the field of science and technology. If they were an enemy of the United States, then their reputation would become poor and their products would have no chance of development.

I can be sure that if Bangladesh is in that position in Japan, it can also get the same support from Britain, the United States. Of course it would be equally developed country，Maybe the degree of developed is different 。some people think their country is not developed because of corrupt government and politicians, I think it is incomplete. All politicians in Japan are family owned and can inherit political positions and legacies, all presidents in Korean history have gone to jail after stepping down. If anyone is interested in this they can search for information on this.

Sorry, I do not agree with many of your viewpoints and I do not have enough time to answer all your points that talk against Japan learning from the West. Japan started to technologically rise during the 1860s.

Here, I am talking about the history and you have started to put arguments on why and how Japan developed long before the 1st WW and then annihilated China. You are talking as a nationalist Chinese and I am talking just about what really happened.

Of course, Japan was about 150 years behind Western countries in the 1860s but they caught up quickly by learning from Europe. Is not it very natural? But you are discrediting Japan for its past achievements as well as present achievements only because it learned from England, France, Germany and America.

Was it a virtue or a vice? BD people were/ are unable to learn from the West although it had connections with Britain for a long and uninterrupted 190 years.

Talk history without criticizing its contents. In its encounter with the Soviet Baltic fleet, Japan damaged or sunk more than 20 ships of that fleet. Please do not come up with a false argument that the British fleet was behind it. It is big nonsense that you put history in the wrong way.

Your post that I am replying to has many such faults because you are looking at Japan as China's eternal enemy but I just do not care about that. I want to discuss the historical facts and not many excuses behind an event.

Can you give me many excuses why China was so much shamed by a small Japan since 1895 (First Sino-Japanese war)? Was it because of Britain that Japan finally conquered 1/3rd of China and established Manchukuo or was it Britain that also fought against Japan at that time along with China?

You know it better. So, it is useless to make excuses. People should only discuss things of the past from its historical perspectives and in a neutral way.

 

[TOTUU]

Sorry, I do not agree with many of your viewpoints and I do not have enough time to answer all your points that talk against Japan learning from the West. Japan started to technologically rise during the 1860s.

Here, I am talking about the history and you have started to put arguments on why and how Japan developed long before the 1st WW and then annihilated China. You are talking as a nationalist Chinese and I am talking just about what really happened.

Of course, Japan was about 150 years behind Western countries in the 1860s but they caught up quickly by learning from Europe. Is not it very natural? But you are discrediting Japan for its past achievements as well as present achievements only because it learned from England, France, Germany and America.

Was it a virtue or a vice? BD people were/ are unable to learn from the West although it had connections with Britain for a long and uninterrupted 190 years.

Talk history without criticizing its contents. In its encounter with the Soviet Baltic fleet, Japan damaged or sunk more than 20 ships of that fleet. Please do not come up with a false argument that the British fleet was behind it. It is big nonsense that you put history in the wrong way.

Your post that I am replying to has many such faults because you are looking at Japan as China's eternal enemy but I just do not care about that. I want to discuss the historical facts and not many excuses behind an event.

Can you give me many excuses why China was so much shamed by a small Japan since 1895 (First Sino-Japanese war)? Was it because of Britain that Japan finally conquered 1/3rd of China and established Manchukuo or was it Britain that also fought against Japan at that time along with China?

You know it better. So, it is useless to make excuses. People should only discuss things of the past from its historical perspectives and in a neutral way.

I'm sorry, I don't endorse your perception of these and object even more to your definition of me. It is right for people in a country to have patriotism, but to question a person's perceptions because of their patriotism is biased and is not a correct way of thinking. My perception of Japan is based on facts, while much of your perception is based on some propaganda and is superficial.

China was very rotten at that time, from the time it lost to Britain in 1840 to the end of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, China was in civil war, and from 1911 to 1949, China was also in civil war, and various imperialist countries were supporting warlords in China for over 100 years, and there were wars everywhere. You can imagine how weak China was in this situation.

We can imagine if the United States from now on there has been a civil war, fighting for 100 years, do you believe that Mexico can defeat the United States, even if Mexico's level of technology is only the world's middle class. Of course provided that extraterritorial countries do not stop it . This is what happened when Japan fought China. At that time, the United States in 1941 before the United States can still have been a large number of military supplies sold to Japan. If China does the same, I do not believe that such the United States can hold off the Mexican invasion.

If an analogy can be drawn again , it is that now India starts a civil war, which is fought for 30 years, then Bangladesh can occupy a third of India with the world's upper-middle level technology and military. The premise is that China, the United States and Europe not only do not stop you from invading India, but also sell you military supplies, because at this time China, the United States and Europe are also fighting each other. In the end Bengal lost and was occupied by the victor among China, America, and Europe and started to support Bengal, which gained the world market it needed to develop its products and technology. This market used to be owned by these two losers , but defeat meant losing dominance of the market. Britain and France, after World War II, slowly lost their colonies, is the embodiment of this behavior.


Japan has certainly made achievements, and the size of this achievement needs to be viewed objectively, not by imagination. Your claim that Japan has caught up with the West through 150 years is outrageously wrong. At that time, the West, including Russia, had basically occupied the vast majority of the world's territory, resources and markets. Japan's various products in that era, you can search the Internet, ah, to see the gap with the West.

You can also search for a comparison of Japanese weapons of that era with the West and the Soviet Union. To put it bluntly, Japanese weapons at that time were among the worst in Europe. At that time, the British, American and German weapons were the best, and the Soviet Union's were behind them, but the Soviet Union's weapons had the advantage of generational differences in the face of Japan.

Regarding the defeat of the Russian Navy by Japan in 1905, it is well known that Britain supported Japan, right, and Britain did not send a fleet. One of the main enemies of Britain at that time was Russia.I think you know more about the historical relationship between Britain and Russia than me. Britain was officially allied with Japan a few years before the war.

Japan is still very grateful to the United States after World War II. There are many reasons for this, and one of them is about the technology and market piece. Before World War II, Japan could not get the resources and markets it needed to develop, and China's market was divided among several empires, while the rest of the world's resources and markets were all in the hands of the West and Russia. After the U.S. occupation of Japan, the U.S. began to support Japan due to the change in the international situation, and in this case, Japan gained access to markets, technology and resources for development, and Japanese products have been sold to the world ever since.


And the relationship between Britain and Japan. After Japan grew to affect British interests in the Far East, Britain turned to seek to suppress Japan, which is why the Anglo-Japanese alliance later failed and Japan-Germany allied.

International relations were such that Britain went from supporting Japan together to suppress Russia to suppressing Japan, all from interests.
To understand things, we must also consider the whole picture and not just think that others are making excuses.

When it comes to the success of the Japanese invasion of China at that time, we have to see both the reason that China was very weak and the fact that the West at that time was fighting internally and did not have much power and mind to put on the Far East. World War I and World War II were European civil wars that turned into world wars.

If an analogy can be drawn, it is that now India starts a civil war, which is fought for 30 years, then Bangladesh can occupy a third of India with the world's upper-middle level technology and military. The premise is that China, the United States and Europe not only do not stop you from invading India, but also sell you military supplies, because at this time China, the United States and Europe are also fighting each other. In the end Bengal lost and was occupied by the victor among China, America, and Europe and started to support Bengal, which gained the world market it needed to develop its products and technology. This market was actually owned by the two losers, but defeat meant losing dominance of the market. Britain and France, after World War II, slowly lost their colonies, is the embodiment of this behavior.


A civil war in a country where there is foreign intervention, that civil war will last longer, not even depending on the two sides of the civil war, but on the foreign power. This is the reason why the civil war in China has been able to last so long. The various imperialists, through external manipulation, can balance the forces of each side and keep the civil war parties fighting for a long time. Now at this time, there are still several countries in civil wars, such as Libya, Syria, and Yemen. These countries in civil wars can easily successfully be invaded by their neighbors if no top international player steps in to stop this invasion from their neighbors, because a civil war in a country is the equivalent of a country having a major illness and is very weak.

There is just a little bit of civil unrest in Burma now, and if all the countries had stayed away, Bangladesh could have taken over part of Burma by now. That's how weak a country can be in a civil war and how important the international environment is.

 

[Destranator]

I am doing much better in my career now that I work for myself and do not have a "boss" anymore.

"The question is whether your business is adding 100% value from scratch. Tell us UKBengali miah, how many products your business has designed and manufactured. What is the point of being your own boss when the business next door is adding 400% value. Better sell off your business and invest in steam engine manufacturing."