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[Raja.Pakistani]

Zabaniya @ dude its all about level of strong feelings, emotion, attachment with any particular things whether its belief, prophet, your fav team, country or celebrity..

I have seen people get into fight in football stadium because other side insulted and bashing their teams or players. Now they incited the violence because they knew the feelings of fans towards their team before insulting them. It was not sane for them to get into fighting but people get blinded by emotions.

Its not different case here. West and Muslim have different sensibilities and attachment towards beliefs. For one its matter of fun and for others its matter of life. Its like expecting atheist and theist to have same emotional attachment towards God. Its ok if they both don't agree with each others but they should avoid making fun of each others

 

[livingdead]

Those who get angry and start causing mayhem because of incitement (in football match) should be punished. May be we need to make some nasty videos of their favourite footballer?
Religion is not beyond criticism, no human idea is (or even supernatural ones)

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Religion is not beyond criticism, no human idea is (or even supernatural ones)

First of all you assume all people agree with you that men created God and not the opposite. second i am really tired of repeating same thing again and again so please read this time to understand the difference between criticism and intentional insult

@ To all

I have read replies of most member here. I don't want to reply each poster individually but you guys are confusing different issues here. Guys read it carefully because i don't want to repeat same thing again and again

I really appreciate freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allow us to criticise anything be it religious practices, politics, policies of leadership. But what you guys don't see here is the difference between intentional mocking/bashing/abusing/insulting and constructive criticism. There is difference between saying an idea/belief/view is wrong and being hostile about it.There is also difference between criticizing an idea and attacking a person. Criticising an idea creates good discussion while when it gets too personal the topic gets lost. If i abuse some of you and start name calling without debating on your opinion, beliefs then is this valid form of freedom of expression? How insulting and mocking any prophet considered as constructive debate or criticism on religion?

If someone is disagree about veil, jihad,rights of women, attitude of Muslims then they can debate on it and can have criticism and people used to do it and never seen any kind of protest because someone criticised Islam. If you are going to criticize my argument then its necessary to have any counter argument for why my argument is not valid otherwise you are just pumping out air and making noise. A criticism that says only "I hate Hindu/Muslim" says nothing at all and similarly abusing any prophet will just bring disturbance in any society. There should be a limit for someone crossing the line of decency.

How many of you nationalists willing to take such abuse/open insult on your nation or on something which you hold very dear? Be honest with yourself before giving right of abuse to haters. If you prefer to give such right to hater then be ready to take it from other as well. whoever don't agree with your utopian view of India/americas government, you asked them to leave the country and defend your country like your politicians are saint. If i stand up and questioning your government. It's bashing. You cannot even take criticism let alone insult on your country which run by politicians who are not perfect but you are asking for right to abuse prophet of billions in the name of freedom of speech. We should not let freedom of speech use for trolling and insults and that was my point.

How many times i would have to repeat that i am against any negative violent reactions on such abuse of freedom of speech? But i am also against negative actions which bring such negative reaction unlike you guys who are defending it. Its not common sense to expect good outcome from intentional insult or hate. We know most of us are not good in dealing with insults especially if someone throw insult at those things which we consider more dear than our lives be it our parent, lover, country or prophet. Thanks for reading

 

[livingdead]

Mocking and insulting is a type of criticism, please watch some political cartoon / shows to learn it is not a big deal.
Some criticism are strident, some are provocative.

And yes, even supernatural theory (god created man, ghosts helped solve murder mystery) is not beyond criticism/insult/mockery.

Its my personal view, I know yours is opposite, I am not really convinced that yours is the better/right view.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Mocking and insulting is a type of criticism, please watch some political cartoon / shows to learn it is not a big deal.
Some criticism are strident, some are provocative.

No they are not. If i say hinduguy is evil and child molester. You will take it as a criticism? Bashing is not same as criticism. criticism is based on counter argument while insult is based on mere abusive words. Take example of this forum, criticism is allowed here but not insult

And yes, even supernatural theory (god created man, ghosts helped solve murder mystery) is not beyond criticism/insult/mockery
Its my personal view, I know yours is opposite, I am not really convinced that yours is the better/right view.

I don't want you to be convinced with me. I am not convinced with Hinduism or Hindu God but don't mean i should go for insulting them and should have freedom to make mockery of them. If you dont agree with someone don't mean you got the license to insult their beliefs

 

[livingdead]

^^^ You can call me watever you want, and if I start to physically harm you, I will go to jail under Indian law. Nobody will listen to my plea that you provoked me.
You can insult any god (hindu/muslim/christian) you like, you are a free man.
Yes you should have the freedom to mock anything you want.
Dont do it on pdf, I am not a moderator

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

^^^ You can call me watever you want, and if I start to physically harm you, I will go to jail under Indian law. Nobody will listen to my plea that you provoked me.
You can insult any god (hindu/muslim/christian) you like, you are a free man.
Yes you should have the freedom to mock anything you want.
Dont do it on pdf, I am not a moderator

You cannot be moderator with such attitude of allowing freedom to insult. It seem you dont know hate crime law of india either I wish i was free man without any restriction of society, government but i am not free no matter where i live


Section 153A of the penal code says, inter alia:

Whoever (a) by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or attempts to promote, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, or (b) commits any act which is prejudicial to the maintenance of harmony between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, and which disturbs or is likely to disturb the public tranquility, . . . shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.[3]

Enacted in 1927, section 295A says:

Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of [citizens of India], [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to [three years], or with fine, or with both.

Hate speech laws in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Zabaniyah]

Zabaniya @ dude its all about level of strong feelings, emotion, attachment with any particular things whether its belief, prophet, your fav team, country or celebrity..

I have seen people get into fight in football stadium because other side insulted and bashing their teams or players. Now they incited the violence because they knew the feelings of fans towards their team before insulting them. It was not sane for them to get into fighting but people get blinded by emotions.

Its not different case here. West and Muslim have different sensibilities and attachment towards beliefs. For one its matter of fun and for others its matter of life. Its like expecting atheist and theist to have same emotional attachment towards God. Its ok if they both don't agree with each others but they should avoid making fun of each others

Well mate, people make fun of other's religions on a daily basis. Especially Atheists (those who do usually have self-esteem issues).

We love our Prophet, and we avoid making any incarnations of him for valid reasons. Christians on the other hand are different with their views, and how they present Jesus. Ever heard of 'dancing Jesus'?

What some non-Muslim nutjobs want to do is their problem.



Anyways, giving Islam a special case in Western thinking, laws and speech (including hate) would cause controversy among many. That resistance and the potential friction would cause problems for Western politicians. Especially considering they are democracies.

In Europe right now, there are more far-right political parties than ever. Ever since Nazi-era Germany. Irregardless if they are retarded or not, it'd strengthen them for sure.

Therefore, it'd make Muslims more vulnerable. Not more secured.

You know, many years ago in my country (late 80s), the Swiss shoe company - Bata designed a particular sandal that had Arabic inscriptions on it as a design feature. Customers were spooked, the product was a catastrophic failure.

As I said, don't buy into their material. The more you buy, the more demand it generates through you and related channels connected to you. Don't even react to them. That's exactly what they want you to do.

There is a saying: Being anonymous is worse than being homeless.

Attention man, it's all attention. And money of-course

 

[Bhairava]

Well ignoring is not solution either because then it will become norm for them to keep doing it just like they make fun of Christianity, Jesus, Mary. They want Muslims to get used to it which they will never because for them its not matter of fun but belief. Muslims have right to show their disapproval for this open insult and bigotry

Nothing is wrong with peaceful protest without destruction of public properties or taking life of your own people. Some bad element in society take advantage of such protest for their evil gain. This film( is not film by any standard) was screened once with only ten people watched it and no public venue was bother to show the film after looking at strong reactions of Muslim world and security concern.

How many days/months/years you will keep protesting ?

 

[AHMED85]

Well ignoring is not solution either because then it will become norm for them to keep doing it just like they make fun of Christianity, Jesus, Mary. They want Muslims to get used to it which they will never because for them its not matter of fun but belief. Muslims have right to show their disapproval for this open insult and bigotry

Nothing is wrong with peaceful protest without destruction of public properties or taking life of your own people. Some bad element in society take advantage of such protest for their evil gain. This film( is not film by any standard) was screened once with only ten people watched it and no public venue was bother to show the film after looking at strong reactions of Muslim world and security concern.

Haa Haa Now my Dear Defense its self need strategy.. Some thing you cant avoid but must be stop by force just like attack on your freedom or self ets.

This is the issue which is most related to intention of individual & collective and Very sensitive in nature will not handle by giving a destructive attention.. Its more attention in peoples are their goal of success.. When ever the peoples push this issue in the air then they find this way to make unrest in Muslim.. Finlay you sit back and understand it as lay man thinking...You will get the fruitful results..

 

[AHMED85]

How many days/months/years you will keep protesting ?

Well you are right in this post .

In this Electronic Way you cant stop any one to inserting the movie on you tube or any other network with fake ID so my suggestion is best in all.. Or you can Establishing the commission handle by UN to Ban any irrelevant and outfit material on web...