Ben Affleck gets worked up defending Islam on Bill Maher's show

[gau8av]

@Fukuoka get in here, you

 

[Developereo]

Yes.

Jews control the financial system, controls the U.S. government and......

JEWS!!!!!

Some day you will attain the strength of character and intellectual fortitude to rise about the mental servitude imposed upon you that makes you scared to criticize a Jewish person, lest you be labelled anti-SemitIc.

There are people in this world who are intellectually dishonest and who are bigots.
Some of them happen to be Jewish and it is perfectly reasonable to criticize them as long as you have the facts to back your claim.

 

[Chronos]

Different value system defines different societies....

we haven't had the pleasure to have a conversation. Well met

Hope our path will cross again.

 

[Developereo]

See @Ravi Nair - here also the issue is the existence of Israel.

Duh!

The context in the movie Religulous was about Israel

 

[patriotpakistan]

I found a lot of knowledge about Jewish customs and laws among the Stormfront members.

So what? A and B is a correlation but not a causation. Such pathetic propaganda rhetoric.

Note: According to your logic, Baruch Goldstein wore shoes when he murdered innocent muslims. Maybe we should all abandon shoes.

 

[Developereo]

So what? A and B is a correlation but not a causation. Such pathetic propaganda rhetoric.

Don't waste your time.

Whenever these people start shouting "anti-Semitism" what they are really saying is that they have no facts to argue back.

When they get backed into a corner, all they can do is shout "but, but, but, you are an anti-Semite...".

 

[Chronos]

Some day you will attain the strength of character and intellectual fortitude to rise about the mental servitude imposed upon you that makes you scared to criticize a Jewish person, lest you be labelled anti-SemitIc.

There are people in this world who are intellectually dishonest and who are bigots.
Some of them happen to be Jewish and it is perfectly reasonable to criticize them as long as you have the facts to back your claim.

yeah, about that. I know theological discussions are off limits, but since you posted this, let me put it to you this way.

I don't care about Judaism or Jews. Theirs is pretty much the same collection fairytales to give a sense of belonging and purpose to their community. Like the the Abrahamic religions and the Eastern belief systems.

I think what Israel does in palestine is wrong and invoking the Holocaust does nothing for me, as Israel is slowly turning into the monster it fled from.

I also care none for a large section of Muslims who have become professional victim mongers every time their religious practices is criticized.

I hope Humanity achieves the intellectual fortitude to criticize any religion or race with good reason without getting called a racist or an Islamophobe or a bigot or an anti-semite at the drop of a hat.

And one day, I hope the Neo-Cons aren't held hostage to the politics of AIPAC and British liberals offer a mealy mouthed apologies every time a Muslim fanatic criticizes the West while living on benefits there.

I don't take diktats from holy books. I don't take orders from any cosmic overlord whether he be named Yahweh or Allah or Vishnu.

What makes you think I am afraid to criticize Jews?

 

[hunter_hunted]

Here’s Reza Aslan owning Bill Maher.

Hopefully next time that he wants to have a "debate" about this subject he’ll actually get someone knowledgeable about the subject rather than debating an actor whos there to promote his film.

Still he is better than the leaders of Islamic world, You know y he is better

because he is

BATMAN

Thatswhy Ben Affleck is the right choice for BATMAN in BATMAN vs SUPERMAN.
Ummah loves you

View attachment 117342

(Sorry for being off-topic but cant resist to post that im a big fan of DC comics )

Oh man you really cracked me here

 

[Developereo]

And one day, I hope the Neo-Cons aren't held hostage to the politics of AIPAC

Many prominent neocons, instrumental in launching wars on Muslim countries, _are_ Jewish in the ethnic sense, with the usual disclaimer of "raised as ....".

Perle, Wolfowitz, Cohen, Krauthammer, Kristol, Friedman, to name a few.

If the US was launching a series of wars on India, and many of the people beating the drums of war happened to be of Pakistani heritage, it would be relevant to point that out.

What makes you think I am afraid to criticize Jews?

Here's the context:

When Bill Maher talks about religious fundamentalism in the Israel/Palestine conflict, and mentions Muslim fundamentalists, then a reasonable person would expect him to discuss Jewish fundamentalism also. After all, they are a significant force in Israeli politics and in the history of that conflict.

When he doesn't do so and, instead, criticized Jews who oppose Israel, then he loses credibility as a fair, balanced commentator. It then becomes relevant to examine potential reasons for his bias. The fact that he is ethnically Jewish is relevant when discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict.

To point out that relevant fact is not anti-Semitic.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir .. which bits that sam harris says you find hateful. He is quite smug sometimes, and thats quite annoying..

sam harris was seconding everything that maher said... that i what i could see.

I am glad the 3 there had good arguments esp when they brought those clerics who put down their names IN OPEN LETTER and put it up that it didnt get the coverage it needed! That really was the bulls eye!

that "open letter" was just the western governments trying to bring more credibility to their puppet... our "new khalifa"... mr. al-baghdadi.

isn't the arranger of this "open letter" the cia-promoted "cair" organization??

The problem with islam is in its doctrine and theology.... I would agree with ayan ali hirsi, islam needs reformation movement

islam by itself is quite sophisticated in politics, sociology and economics... for example, the concept of divorce, pre-wedding alimony agreement, property inheritance etc... islam is early socialism... what needs to be reformed are many modern muslims who do not actually follow islam but have adopted anti-islami practices from hinduism, irani culture etc

ayaan hirsi ali is a fake... if you want real reform-making muslims... take the syrians, for example... they have been fighting a nato invasion for three years now... an invasion waged on ground by nato proxies who are fake-muslim like al-qaeda and taliban.

also, please do read below... my reply to nihonjin.

I'm pretty sure by 2020 the US will become some sort of Marxist Liberal Paradise with Empress Hillary at its forefront.

a marxist hillary clinton?? surely, that is a joke...

Islam is unique because while it does have the Holy Scripture (Holy Quran), it does not have a single source that can claim interpretive authority.

that is because one of the basis of islam is "no priest", hence no authority in the initial years to say this is islami or that... and that by the way also negates the present existance of mullahs... by islam, the mullah expert "agent of god"... is illegal, haraam... that makes the nation of saudia illegal, the irani ayatollah's illegal, taliban illegal, al-qaeda illegal, jemah islamiya illegal... and haraams illegal... sorry, hamas illegal...

every muslim is supposed to read the quran... the prayers and fastings are not important... else, islam would be no better than say, hinduism...

it is the practical rules for living a just life and being happy, given there, that make islam... islam.

This is where it becomes important to have such an authoritative figure because it can help explain the right interpretation of specific verses in the Quran as well as the readings of the Hadiths. For the Shia sect they have the Ayatollahs that claim to be the authoritative force in Quranic interpretation. In Sunni Sect of Islam, there seems to be no authoritative force, to help believers in Islam interpret effectively. This is where it is important to have a Spiritual Leader , yet equal. The concept of the original Caliph comes to mind as being important.

we need look no further than muammar gaddafi, the "imaam of all muslims"... i do not believe in miracles or rebirth etc... but the hopeful "prophesy" that jesus christ ( hazrat isa ) will return, as the mahdi, the imaam mahdi... can only apply to muammar gaddafi... if jamal abdul nasser was a turning point for muslims, then muammar gaddafi went further than him... there have been few leaders in history like him.

muammar gaddafi said... "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just muslim"... my belief too.

and if jesus can return among muslims, that also means... every muslim is a christian and every christian is a muslim... and that is what i told the catholic lady i have been trying to woo

but we should also work towards a post-religion post-money humanity, where the governing system is socialism.

I have French ancestry on my father's side and Indian ancestry on my mother's side. Am sure there must be a Jew somewhere up the chain. Guess that despite over one hundred yrs of separation, if there is a Jew somewhere, that would make me a Jew according to the Muslims and the Stormfront goons.

having that single drop of jewish blood does make one sympathetic to the israeli cause and its support

but having said that, i am not stuck in religion... please read my above reply to nihonjin.

 

[gambit]

actually, the stormfront obsession about Jews is Pathetically hilarious.

It must pain to know that your every waking thought is held hostage by a community you loathe.



btw, I do still find the number of people in countries like Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia who think apostasy requires the death penalty to be disturbing. It reaches beyond 60%

Mr. D knows the absurdity of his argument. He is smart enough to know that no Orthodox Jew is going to walk up to Bill Maher, wags a finger, and tell Maher that he is a Jew by blood. If any Jew does that, given Maher's personality, he would have said: 'STFU, Jew.'

I doubt that he knew that Maher was raised as a Catholic and that he jumped to conclusion that Maher is a Jew based solely upon a Jewish sounding name alone. It was only sheer luck that Maher's mother is a Jew that gave D the straw he needs to salvage his face.

But in using such a flimsy excuse to call someone a Jew in spite of the man's life experience, the Muslims tacitly granted the rest the latitude to use equally flimsy excuses to attribute things to Muslims and Islam.

 

[Developereo]

Mr. D knows the absurdity of his argument. He is smart enough to know that no Orthodox Jew is going to walk up to Bill Maher, wags a finger, and tell Maher that he is a Jew by blood. If any Jew does that, given Maher's personality, he would have said: 'STFU, Jew.'

I doubt that he knew that Maher was raised as a Catholic and that he jumped to conclusion that Maher is a Jew based solely upon a Jewish sounding name alone. It was only sheer luck that Maher's mother is a Jew that gave D the straw he needs to salvage his face.

But in using such a flimsy excuse to call someone a Jew in spite of the man's life experience, the Muslims tacitly granted the rest the latitude to use equally flimsy excuses to attribute things to Muslims and Islam.

Did I tell you how much I enjoy watching you buzz about a discussion, smarting, long after you have been humiliated by your ignorance of the subject?

It's always a treat to see your humiliation on full display, desperately concocting hallucinations about what others allegedly said or thought.

Just because you are ignorant of everything outside cut-and-paste radar specs doesn't mean others are also similarly challenged.

Given your past pattern of behavior, you will keep buzzing around, smarting, getting angrier and angrier, and then vomiting bile against the evil Moooslims.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

fake-muslim like al-qaeda and taliban.

That's YOUR interpretation.

ayaan hirsi ali is a fake

Yeah, that's what Islamists+CAIR say.

I do still find the number of people in countries like Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia who think apostasy requires the death penalty to be disturbing. It reaches beyond 60%

It's not surprising.

islam would be no better than say, hinduism...

What?

having that single drop of jewish blood does make one sympathetic to the israeli cause and its support

Ok, no need to reply. I got you. Loud and clear.

 

[jamahir]

That's YOUR interpretation.

so, you will tell me now who is real-muslim and who is fake-muslim...

Yeah, that's what Islamists+CAIR say.

i being a socialist am "islamist"... and "cair" is disinfo agency of cia, just like ned and avaaz and "amnesty international" and the rest.

Ok, no need to reply. I got you. Loud and clear.

from all that long post of mine, you decided to copy-paste only that statement... not the one below... not the ones above.

 

[gambit]

Did I tell you how much I enjoy watching you buzz about a discussion, smarting, long after you have been humiliated by your ignorance of the subject?

It's always a treat to see your humiliation on full display, desperately concocting hallucinations about what others allegedly said or thought.

Just because you are ignorant of everything outside cut-and-paste radar specs doesn't mean others are also similarly challenged.

Given your past pattern of behavior, you will keep buzzing around, smarting, getting angrier and angrier, and then vomiting bile against the evil Moooslims.

Bill Maher was raised a Catholic and did not know of his Jewish mother until he was 13 or 14 yrs old. But Maher is a Jew, according to you. Not according to Jewish Orthodox laws, no matter how much you want to strain at it. But according to YOU. Let us be real about it.

So if Jewish Orthodox laws trumps a person's attitude about himself or herself and how people know that person...

List of converts to Islam from Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tali Fahima – Israeli left-wing activist, convicted of aiding Palestinian fighters. Converted to Islam in Umm al-Fahm in June 2010.

What are we to make of these Jewish converts to Islam ? Remember, if Jewish Orthodox laws trumps Catholic upbringing, then equally that Jewish Orthodox laws trumps conversions to Islam. If one drop of Jewish blood keep a person a Jew forever and somehow made him/her perpetually sympathetic to Jewish issues, and that all Muslims must make efforts to point these ties out, it means all Jewish conversions to Islam are suspect and that no Muslims should ever trust these converts. They are sleeper agents in the service of the Mossad.