Ben Affleck gets worked up defending Islam on Bill Maher's show

[Developereo]

That commentary is not the first time Harris criticized Judaism and Israel. What you really want is for him to be exactly like you. Simple as that.

Do not tell us how you supposedly 'followed' Bill Maher for years and that you know him. You do not. Maher poke fun at Jews and Israel many times in the past, long before he became famous with the HBO show 'Politically Incorrect' and where he is today.

There is no need for me or anyone to satisfy your absurd demand. Your approval is worthless. Your irrationality make a mockery of the Muslims in general. Congratulations.

Right.

So when facts fail you, you retreat back into your Don Quixote world of hallucinating what I knew or didn't know about Maher.

As I mentioned, I have written him off as an (entertaining) phony long ago. His intellectual dishonesty on religious extremism is only one factor why I despise him as a phony. The other reason is his fake claim of being a libertarian; on many issues he is a hardcore political liberal.

 

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So when facts fail you, you retreat back into your Don Quixote world of hallucinating what I knew or didn't know about Maher.

No worse than your hallucination that Maher and Harris are Joos.

 

[Dubious]

This idiot woman just decried "liberal bigotry", implying that liberalism is wrong, and that Bill Maher represents the ideals of liberalism.

Sorry brother I disagree with you...
She labelled HIM liberal bigotry which is fine coz everything can have a bigot side too...She didnt imply all of liberalism is wrong only his views...which are bigotry

And yet she is clueless about the importance of choosing the right words.

Words matter.
Political consultants make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year just for their skill in choosing words.

This idiot woman just decried "liberal bigotry", implying that liberalism is wrong, and that Bill Maher represents the ideals of liberalism.

Compared to the master wordsmiths wielding their craft against Islam, we have these kinds of self-goals.

Not all liberal are wrong but bigotry under the umbrella of liberalism should be painted as it is liberal bigotry

 

[Developereo]

She labelled HIM liberal bigotry which is fine coz everything can have a bigot side too...She didnt imply all of liberalism is wrong only his views...which are bigotry

She wrote "your liberal bigotry" implying that his views (bigotry) were rooted in liberalism.

Words matter.
She should learn their import and implication before using them.

 

[Dubious]

@Developereo Well if we read it in context.....she is talking about a certain kind of bigotry (not to forget she didnt forget to add the "your" making it his personal problem) which hides behind the liberal curtains and is ONLY spewed at a certain group (in this context)

Your liberal bigotry against Muslims and Islam is no secret.

 

[fallstuff]

Nonsense. Anyone who values his basic freedoms and rights should have some measure of wariness about organized religions. LOOK AT THE MESS THAT IS THE MUSLIM WORLD AND SEE PROOF OF THAT.

Who is really intellectually dishonest here ? Certainly not Maher.

Catholic church is the mother of all organized religion, given the history of the Church his hatred for the Church is understandable. However he claims himself an atheist. We all know an atheist is someone who does not believe in any religion nor pick and chooses to say one religion is relatively better/peaceful than others. Time and again he supported Israel, a nation created along the line of Judaism where interfaith marriage is not allowed . His support for Israel is not passive, he is very vocal about it, his interview of Netanyahu was nothing short of providing an active pro-militant support to the Jewish state against Muslim Palestinians. He uses his tv show to undermine Christianity and Islam to promote Judaism.

I don't understand after all that how can anybody call this man an atheist.

I know a few atheist folks, atheist folks don't do that or act like that.

His behavior is not consistent with one that of an atheist individual, but more like someone who is intellectually dishonest.

P.S. I do not practice any religion.

 

[gambit]

Catholic church is the mother of all organized religion, given the history of the Church his hatred for the Church is understandable. However he claims himself an atheist. We all know an atheist is someone who does not believe in any religion nor pick and chooses to say one religion is relatively better/peaceful than others. Time and again he supported Israel, a nation created along the line of Judaism where interfaith marriage is not allowed . His support for Israel is not passive, he is very vocal about it, his interview of Netanyahu was nothing short of providing an active pro-militant support to the Jewish state against Muslim Palestinians. He uses his tv show to undermine Christianity and Islam to promote Judaism.

I don't understand after all that how can anybody call this man an atheist.

I know a few atheist folks, atheist folks don't do that or act like that.

His behavior is not consistent with one that of an atheist individual, but more like someone who is intellectually dishonest.

P.S. I do not practice any religion.

Israel is not a religion. It may be a country that is based on a religion, it is essentially a political entity and nothing more. So what if Judaism says no to interfaith marriage ? Do you see Maher and Harris condemning Jews who marries non-Jews ? Are there laws - secular ones -- that Maher and Harris support that would imprison interfaith marriages ?

And you are flat out wrong about 'We all know an atheist is someone who does not believe in any religion nor pick and chooses to say one religion is relatively better/peaceful than others.'

An atheist does not have a blank slate for a mind. Even in the absence of any religiously based morals, does it mean he has no moral strictures about murder or robbery or rape ? I see it odd that you want to conflate Israel with Judaism but have issues with those who would conflate the atrocities committed by Muslims with Islam. It looks to me that you made up what you claimed to know about atheists because not a single atheist I know are that naive. Every atheist I know, and I know plenty including past work supervisors and military commanders, understand better than most people that no one acts without some forms of moral compulsions regardless of the sources of those compulsions, and if a particular demographic under a religion consistently behaves in a certain manner, it is only natural that everyone's focus will gravitate towards the moral sources of those acts. Funny that Joos are held to this natural behavior by observers but Muslims should not.

 

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The discussion continued after the show...

Sam Harris:
"After the show, Kristof, Affleck, Maher, and I continued our discussion. At one point, Kristof reiterated the claim that Maher and I had failed to acknowledge the existence of all the good Muslims who condemn ISIS, citing the popular hashtag #NotInOurName. In response, I said: 'Yes, I agree that all condemnation of ISIS is good. But what do you think would happen if we had burned a copy of the Koran on tonight’s show? There would be riots in scores of countries. Embassies would fall. In response to our mistreating a book, millions of Muslims would take to the streets, and we would spend the rest of our lives fending off credible threats of murder. But when ISIS crucifies people, buries children alive, and rapes and tortures women by the thousands – all in the name of Islam – the response is a few small demonstrations in Europe and a hashtag.' I don’t think I'm being uncharitable when I say that neither Affleck nor Kristof had an intelligent response to this. Nor did they pretend to doubt the truth of what I said.

I genuinely believe that both Affleck and Kristof mean well. They are very worried about American xenophobia and the prospects of future military adventures. But they are confused about Islam. Like many secular liberals, they refuse to accept the abundant evidence that vast numbers of Muslims believe dangerous things about infidels, apostasy, blasphemy, jihad, and martyrdom. And they do not realize that these doctrines are about as controversial under Islam as the resurrection of Jesus is under Christianity. . . .

As I tried to make clear on Maher's show, what we need is honest talk about the link between belief and behavior. And no one is suffering the consequences of what Muslim 'extremists' believe more than other Muslims are. The civil war between Sunni and Shia, the murder of apostates, the oppression of women – these evils have nothing to do with U.S. bombs or Israeli settlements. Yes, the war in Iraq was a catastrophe – just as Affleck and Kristof suggest. But take a moment to appreciate how bleak it is to admit that the world would be better off if we had left Saddam Hussein in power. Here was one of the most evil men who ever lived, holding an entire country hostage. And yet his tyranny was also preventing a religious war between Shia and Sunni, the massacre of Christians, and other sectarian horrors. To say that we should have left Saddam Hussein alone says some very depressing things about the Muslim world."

 

[fallstuff]

Bill Maher is an intellectually dishonest junkie that no one should take seriously.

In what was perhaps one of the least political New Rules he’s ever done, Bill Maher took a look at the value of tripping the lights fantastic on acid, and why it’s one of the least harmful drugs a child could ever take. Hmm a man prescribing LSD to kids.

He argued that many of the greatest innovators and artists of the 20th and 21st centuries were admitted drug users, including the recently passed Steve Jobs, who admitted to his biographer that taking acid was one of the best decisions of his life.
As is often the case, Maher brought up the drug in the context of Halloween, pointing out that acid is probably healthier than most of the candy kids eat anyway, and called for parents to “put drugs in the Halloween candy!”

I mean who can take this guy seriously other than the point that he is a junkie who has a show on HBO, come on lets get real.

Bill Maher Acid | Bill Maher Prescription Drugs | Video | Mediaite

 

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