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That was a prank video and their was a man in that veil. Even this prank video created a huge issue for these retards who actually made this and they are in a deep sh!t right now.

Now for all who are trolling here kindly stop throwing sh!t.
Mods @Irfan Baloch @Horus @Oscar @Jamo kindly close this thread.
 
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@Geralt - Don't oppress your gf by giving her a choice to wear anything. :disagree:
No impose your thoughts on others and claim others are oppressed :tsk:

How come accepting your POV becoming trolling? :unsure:
How come swinging to extremes is my thoughts? I have not gone over board like you ...Either reading disability or some form of comprehension issues...try again:

Sure some may be oppressed but its not the clothing that is oppressing a woman but the mindset....
 
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You guys realize that this is a fake incident?

Did you notice how the person in burka is so casually being thrown around while the accompanying man on the motorcycle simply does nothing.

Yea right.
 
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Clear case of Islamophobia and indian mentality...you not only object to freedom of choosing what to wear you even want to go after their habits and how they should behave! Oppressor detected :tsk:

Akheilos, if you study your history, you will realize that the confederate states made similar claims about the North before the American Civil War. That the North does not "understand" their culture and way of life; that it is "dictating" how Southerners should live, that they were "oppressors", etc etc. People have made these arguments for centuries, and then suddenly the light comes on and they have nowhere to hide.
 
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Akheilos, if you study your history, you will realize that the confederate states made similar claims about the North before the American Civil War. That the North does not "understand" their culture and way of life; that it is "dictating" how Southerners should live, that they were "oppressors", etc etc. People have made these arguments for centuries, and then suddenly the light comes on and they have nowhere to hide.
So its fine to pay more for less?
Pay more for having women with less clothes, pay more for new fashion which is less cloth to cover less?
It is fine to paint a woman's choice to cover as bad but its fine if she wants to uncover and promote p*rn and get paid to do it?
Its fine that this industry leads to children being kidnapped and put on these videos to feed to market and demand?

It is further ok to have your 12 yr old wearing and walking about no better than a slut when she is supposed to behave as a child? None of this is oppressing the mindset no no no ....Its just the bloody cloth covering the woman too much that is oppressing :tup:
 
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Even if the burqa person is a guy is it right to showcase such shit? What if some moron does that to a random girl in an attempt to redo the scene?

That is why I said it is still a stupid thing to do and he should be punished for it, didn't I?
 
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it was a prank


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So its fine to pay more for less?
Pay more for having women with less clothes, pay more for new fashion which is less cloth to cover less?
It is fine to paint a woman's choice to cover as bad but its fine if she wants to uncover and promote p*rn and get paid to do it?
Its fine that this industry leads to children being kidnapped and put on these videos to feed to market and demand?

It is further ok to have your 12 yr old wearing and walking about no better than a slut when she is supposed to behave as a child? None of this is oppressing the mindset no no no ....Its just the bloody cloth covering the woman too much that is oppressing :tup:

Hmm...let's see...

- The issue is not that if you pay money for clothes you should get the largest piece of cloth possible. Will you wear a tent if I gave it to you for the price of a handkerchief? Sounds like a good bargain, doesn't it?

- No one ever said that women do not have the choice to wear hijab. People are free to be slaves as well, the only problem is when it is forced upon them.

- Pornography has no correlation to oppression and violence against women. It is legal in most countries, many of which have lower rates of violence against women than conservative countries that ban pornography.

- People who kidnap children are the criminals, not the children wearing little clothes.

- Your use of the word "slut" is the very reason why it is a bogus claim that women in Islamic countries chose the hijab out of their own free will. When the alternative is not wearing the hijab and being labelled a "slut", which woman would prefer that. Men (like you) have terrorized women to accept certain social behaviour, and then conveniently claim that they are doing it out of free will.

You can cage your women all you want. One day they will be free; it is inevitable. You are just trying to swim against a fast-moving currant. Future anthropologists will look at the sort of arguments you are forwarding and shake their heads sadly, as to how so many people could be so narrow-minded, hypocritical and cruel.
 
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- The issue is not that if you pay money for clothes you should get the largest piece of cloth possible. Will you wear a tent if I gave it to you for the price of a handkerchief? Sounds like a good bargain, doesn't it?
No but it is absurd to pay too much for something a baby cant fit in!

Mind you I am talking about clothes not handkerchief and tents!

- No one ever said that women do not have the choice to wear hijab. People are free to be slaves as well, the only problem is when it is forced upon them.
I touched on that in a different thread! Sure it is wrong to force anything be it small clothes be it a burqa...Even something as simple as a dupatta!

Force is a no no ALWAYS!

- Pornography has no correlation to oppression and violence against women. It is legal in most countries, many of which have lower rates of violence against women than conservative countries that ban pornography.
Can you show me such data?

2ndly, how is the p*rn industry surviving? Do you think every other girl comes in to pimp herself? What about those raped and forced to film? What about those filmed while drugged? What about those kidnapped and sold to this industry? Is none of that a crime?

I cant believe someone would call it non oppressing and call it no correlation to violence!

That is the industry...The consumer watching that shit cause abuse to their spouse and gf who wish not to behave like a p*rn star for them or feed their fetish!

I cant believe you think that is not violence!

- People who kidnap children are the criminals, not the children wearing little clothes.
Children FORCED to wear little clothes are not criminals but oppressed!
Children and teens forced to wear crap to fit in are oppressed not criminals
Girls needing to wear shitty clothes to be noticed are what Psychologist would call attention seekers or neglected ....It is a common trait in many teenagers....And it is slave mentality that "latest" fashion irrespective of how morally degrading it is...is the key to get into the "in" crowd!

THAT is oppression of the mindset!

- Your use of the word "slut" is the very reason why it is a bogus claim that women in Islamic countries chose the hijab out of their own free will.
I used that word in context...Read in context dont get hyper with your own theories!

2ndly, when a child of age 10 yrs old is trying her very best to get into a group by wearing something a slut would it is not wrong to call it for what it is...The clothes can be called slutty...the child wanting to fit in is a victim of oppressed mentality as a slave of fashion!

Denying it wont get you anywhere!


I am not talking about ISLAMIC countries...There is very little Islam in such countries...I am talking about the attire, the force, the mentality that comes with people judging and doing the same on a different extremist platform!

When the alternative is not wearing the hijab and being labelled a "slut"
Dont get hyper! READ WHAT I WROTE in context not from your premade mindset!

Men (like you) have terrorized women to accept certain social behaviour, and then conveniently claim that they are doing it out of free will.
Men like you live in denial because you fail to read within context and jump the gun!

This statement can be used for you where men like you terrorize women by telling them it is k and normal to dress up like a complete idiot for the name of fashion and to be appreciated...

When a 11 yr old or a 12 yr old starts behaving less like a child, there is definitely something wrong which you fail to take up esp when there are child p*rn rings as well as pedophiles loose who would want to put their child at risk?

You can cage your women all you want. One day they will be free; it is inevitable. You are just trying to swim against a fast-moving currant. Future anthropologists will look at the sort of arguments you are forwarding and shake their heads sadly, as to how so many people could be so narrow-minded, hypocritical and cruel.
:tsk: RIP logic!

THIS is what happens when you FAIL to read WITHIN CONTEXT!
 
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i have never heard of a thing known as flirting like a gentleman

Well, then my poor man you either do not understand flirting / seduction in a relaxed social setting
or are not a gentleman to begin with. Sorry to say.

This is a new thing imported from the West my friend. Go to any major parade or public celebration here in America women get groped, raped, sexually assaulted, and humiliated in public and no one says anything due to the fear of the massive gatherings of thugs and rapists who indulge in this behavior. By the time the police comes the entire group of rapists disperses and the deed is all done. The cops ain't gonna catch every sexual assaulter, they can only do so much when they have to look after thousands of peoples at these public events.

Really? It so happens that I worked in security for many years including events-type jobs with crowds
over 50 000 people and can tell you that you are wrong. I was even a bar bouncer and part of our job
is to look for such things in groups of scantily clad folks gyrating wildly in what would be unacceptable
fashion by the moral rules of many other lands that I visited. Yet despite the overflow of sexual tension
I was always able to tell when a situation was inadequate and act upon it. Your description is incorrect.

I'll try to be clear without going into details about sexual rules in the West.

First, both limits and common behaviour vary from place to place. America is rather prude about sex
and yet revels in it, a sort of dichotomy. France is less hung up but public sexual displays are rarer.
And so on from place to place; those are socio-cultural differences.
Second, there can be a gap of importance between the feminist narrative and reality. That can make
an observer wonder which is true. Is one supposed to judge by imported standards, official viewpoint
or refer to extremes like pornography. The proper answer is that there are folks of each & every kind.
They share this society without agreeing on how it is or should be or should behave just as it happens
in Pakistan or anywhere else.
Third, because of the wider field of allowed behaviour, it is much harder to gauge specific instances,
especially if some of the ways in which women are allowed to interact are not known or acceptable to
the observer's mindset.

I have seen women dressed to show off their bodies almost entirely complain when a man looked!
In that case, the woman is wrong IMHoO but as a man, you still have to deal with it.
To stereotype, in America, the guy will back off and in Europe, he'll call her an idiot.
Of course, past such social differences, there is always the question of what type of man one is.
Furthermore, sexuality is always conflictual no matter where or what the society both because as
humans we don't recognize the sometimes overpowering natural animal part of the equation and
because as said above, not all members will agree since individuals come in myriads of shapes.

In any case, the point can easily be made simple : will! If a person is forced, it's wrong!
Whether it's about sex or anything else. Whether from the freest of lands or the most restrictive,
it doesn't take a genius to understand that a woman wearing modesty enhancing clothes, veil and
so on is unlikely to welcome sexual advances. But then again, even if dressed as a slut, when she
asks you to back off, you do so!

And last but not least, for real Alpha males, there is a pride in inspiring your partner to give you
what we are talking about freely and none in bringing her to do so under coercion.
Forced sexual interaction of any sort and regardless of sex is for losers and deviants.
No matter what pride or shame the woman may apply to herself, it is my pride to act correctly!
That in the end directs my actions, not the constructs of the social environment.

No woman will ever be cheap enough to have me relinquish my own personal judgment.
If I succumb to basic desires, it is my choice / fault. I am in charge of my self.

Good day all, Tay.
 
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No but it is absurd to pay too much for something a baby cant fit in!

Mind you I am talking about clothes not handkerchief and tents!


I touched on that in a different thread! Sure it is wrong to force anything be it small clothes be it a burqa...Even something as simple as a dupatta!

Force is a no no ALWAYS!


Can you show me such data?

2ndly, how is the p*rn industry surviving? Do you think every other girl comes in to pimp herself? What about those raped and forced to film? What about those filmed while drugged? What about those kidnapped and sold to this industry? Is none of that a crime?

I cant believe someone would call it non oppressing and call it no correlation to violence!

That is the industry...The consumer watching that shit cause abuse to their spouse and gf who wish not to behave like a p*rn star for them or feed their fetish!

I cant believe you think that is not violence!


Children FORCED to wear little clothes are not criminals but oppressed!
Children and teens forced to wear crap to fit in are oppressed not criminals
Girls needing to wear shitty clothes to be noticed are what Psychologist would call attention seekers or neglected ....It is a common trait in many teenagers....And it is slave mentality that "latest" fashion irrespective of how morally degrading it is...is the key to get into the "in" crowd!

THAT is oppression of the mindset!

I used that word in context...Read in context dont get hyper with your own theories!

2ndly, when a child of age 10 yrs old is trying her very best to get into a group by wearing something a slut would it is not wrong to call it for what it is...The clothes can be called slutty...the child wanting to fit in is a victim of oppressed mentality as a slave of fashion!

Denying it wont get you anywhere!


I am not talking about ISLAMIC countries...There is very little Islam in such countries...I am talking about the attire, the force, the mentality that comes with people judging and doing the same on a different extremist platform!


Dont get hyper! READ WHAT I WROTE in context not from your premade mindset!


Men like you live in denial because you fail to read within context and jump the gun!

This statement can be used for you where men like you terrorize women by telling them it is k and normal to dress up like a complete idiot for the name of fashion and to be appreciated...

When a 11 yr old or a 12 yr old starts behaving less like a child, there is definitely something wrong which you fail to take up esp when there are child p*rn rings as well as pedophiles loose who would want to put their child at risk?


:tsk: RIP logic!

THIS is what happens when you FAIL to read WITHIN CONTEXT!

Yes, RIP logic indeed. When men are allowed to think on behalf of women, make lifestyle decisions for them, logic goes for a toss indeed. Do you even realize that in any civilized society, if women were to read this conversation between us, they would laugh at the audacity of making presumptions about what women want to wear and how they should behave? You show a prevailing patriarchal mindset, in which men like you get to first subjugate women, and then speak on their behalf. Along the way, you also label them as "sluts", and then claim there is a context to it!

I don't see the point of responding to your entire post, really. Misogyny of this kind cannot be shamed, you will continue to believe in this bullshit and continue to subjugate the women around you by labeling them.

However, you asked for proof that there is no correlation between pornography and violence against women, which is the only lucid aspect of your post, so let me respond to that. Since I am not yet allowed to post links (the mods in this forum are super-smart), I will mention a study and quote the relevant part. Kindly Google it.

Rates of rapes and sexual assault in the U.S. are at their lowest levels since the 1960s,” says Christopher J. Ferguson, a professor of psychology and criminal justice at Texas A&M International University. The same goes for other countries: as access to pornography grew in once restrictive Japan, China and Denmark in the past 40 years, rape statistics plummeted. Within the U.S., the states with the least Internet access between 1980 and 2000—and therefore the least access to Internet pornography—experienced a 53 percent increase in rape incidence, whereas the states with the most access experienced a 27 percent drop in the number of reported rapes, according to a paper published in 2006 by Anthony D’Amato, a law professor at Northwestern University.

There is, in other words, a reverse correlation. Rape incidence increases in countries with less access to pornography. There are many such studies. Feel free to read them.

One last point, I have noted in this forum this peculiar tendency to always ask someone else to provide the evidence. Is it really my fault that you cannot read or won't research? In any case, it is you who claimed the harmful effect of pornography, not me. So it is you who should provide the proof, not me. It is so easy to make unfounded claims and then when faced with a response, put the onus on the other person to adduce evidence., isn't it?
 
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Do you even realize that in any civilized society, if women were to read this conversation between us, they would laugh at the audacity of making presumptions about what women want to wear and how they should behave?
lolzzzzz.....Tell me 1 society like that? No dont give me examples of extreme liberal wanna be...I am talking about everyday walking normal people of everyday society!

You show a prevailing patriarchal mindset, in which men like you get to first subjugate women, and then speak on their behalf. Along the way, you also label them as "sluts", and then claim there is a context to it!
Slut is a normal word used freely...For me it is a mindset, a dressing and lifestyle...Do you know people in everyday speech call their friends babe and bitches? Its a slur a slang. Google Slutty clothes and you will get an idea of what the world is headed towards! Yes there is something called as slutty clothes!

It is funny how you think it is ok and not voice out for the oppressed women I spoke of but are more than ready to speak on behalf of those who are willing to wear the hijab? Mind you those who are forced dont turn up on tv. Those who are forced dont get to even ride bike out of their homes with ease. Those who are forced very few are allowed to leave the home...THAT anyone would object to and label oppressed BUT I am not talking about those coz those NO DOUBT is oppression...

I am talking about those who are wrongly labelled! People who wrongly label and whom no one bothers to correct ...People who see a woman covered and assume crap from their own mindset instead of knowing a thing or 2...

I don't see the point of responding to your entire post, really. Misogyny of this kind cannot be shamed, you will continue to believe in this bullshit and continue to subjugate the women around you by labeling them.
:rofl: Yea when people cant reply thats where they head!

Rates of rapes and sexual assault in the U.S. are at their lowest levels since the 1960s,” says Christopher J. Ferguson, a professor of psychology and criminal justice at Texas A&M International University. The same goes for other countries: as access to pornography grew in once restrictive Japan, China and Denmark in the past 40 years, rape statistics plummeted. Within the U.S., the states with the least Internet access between 1980 and 2000—and therefore the least access to Internet pornography—experienced a 53 percent increase in rape incidence, whereas the states with the most access experienced a 27 percent drop in the number of reported rapes, according to a paper published in 2006 by Anthony D’Amato, a law professor at Northwestern University.

There is, in other words, a reverse correlation. Rape incidence increases in countries with less access to pornography. There are many such studies. Feel free to read them.
Lovely let me provide you googled works from organizations who deal with this stuff! :

Statistics | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

How about reports from articles but let me focus on what you claim liberal countries:

Sweden has the highest rate of rape in Europe, with the UN reporting 69 rape cases per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011, according to author and advocate of power feminism Naomi Wolf on opinion website Project Syndicate.

In 2010, Swedish police recorded the highest number of offences - about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants - of any force in Europe. That was the second highest in the world after Lesotho.

"According to rape crisis advocates in Sweden, one-third of Swedish women have been sexually assaulted by the time they leave their teens. According to a study published in 2003, and other later studies through 2009, Sweden has the highest sexual assault rate in Europe, and among the lowest conviction rates," Wolf wrote.

A 2010 Amnesty report said: "In Sweden, according to official crime statistics, the number of reported rapes has quadrupled during the past 20 years. In 2008, there were just over 4,000 rapes of people over 15, the great majority of them girls and women."


New Zealand The recent scandal of the "Roast Buster" exposed the truth about rape in New Zealand.

A group of boys from West Auckland, calling themselves "Roast Busters", targeted often underage teenage girls, plied them with alcohol and then gang-raped them.

The videos of the sexual assaults were then uploaded to social media sites.

Sexual assaults rose 15% in a year, and at schools the number doubled in 2012, according to the New Zealand Herald.

In 2011, police recorded 3,466 rapes and related offences, up from 3,016 in 2010.

According to UN, the rate of rape cases per 100,000 inhabitants was 30 in 2011.

Belgium Dutch newspaper De Morgen reported that between 2009 and 2011, the number of reported rapes increased from 3,360 to 4,038 - an increase of more than 20%. The report was based on figures from the federal justice department.

A total of 11,170 rape cases was filed between January 2009 and December 2011. In Brussels 2,542 cases were presented.

More than 11 rapes took place every day in 2011.

The rate of rape cases per 100,000 inhabitants in Belgium was of 28.1, the UN reported.


Top 5 Countries with the Highest Rates of Rape

Tell me how are these countries deprived of pleasures?

Here is another list: Top 10 Countries With Highest Rape Crime

Top 10 Countries with Highest Rape Crime in 2014

One last point, I have noted in this forum this peculiar tendency to always ask someone else to provide the evidence. Is it really my fault that you cannot read or won't research? In any case, it is you who claimed the harmful effect of pornography, not me. So it is you who should provide the proof, not me. It is so easy to make unfounded claims and then when faced with a response, put the onus on the other person to adduce evidence., isn't it?
When you claim something you should learn to back it up kid...it is the rule of the world not the forum alone
 
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Hmm...let's see...

- The issue is not that if you pay money for clothes you should get the largest piece of cloth possible. Will you wear a tent if I gave it to you for the price of a handkerchief? Sounds like a good bargain, doesn't it?

- No one ever said that women do not have the choice to wear hijab. People are free to be slaves as well, the only problem is when it is forced upon them.

- Pornography has no correlation to oppression and violence against women. It is legal in most countries, many of which have lower rates of violence against women than conservative countries that ban pornography.

- People who kidnap children are the criminals, not the children wearing little clothes.

- Your use of the word "slut" is the very reason why it is a bogus claim that women in Islamic countries chose the hijab out of their own free will. When the alternative is not wearing the hijab and being labelled a "slut", which woman would prefer that. Men (like you) have terrorized women to accept certain social behaviour, and then conveniently claim that they are doing it out of free will.

You can cage your women all you want. One day they will be free; it is inevitable. You are just trying to swim against a fast-moving currant. Future anthropologists will look at the sort of arguments you are forwarding and shake their heads sadly, as to how so many people could be so narrow-minded, hypocritical and cruel.
I find it very amusing that an indian here is lecturing us on the rights of Pakistani women, their choice of clothes, etc.. When in India there is absolutely no respect for the female gender whatsoever.

From female infanticide to forced prostitution and sexual exploitation of women, India leads the way in the degradation of the female gender.
 
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