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Beijing residents blame government for flash flood deaths

AFP
July 23, 2012 11:27PM

BEIJING residents have expressed fury after the worst rains to hit the Chinese capital in more than 60 years left at least 37 people dead, with at least another seven still missing.

Many said lives could have been saved and some of the worst devastation avoided if a better warning system had been in place, and criticised the city's antiquated water infrastructure.

"If the drainage system had been good, if the warning system had been put in place in a timely manner, if people had been told to stay home, would so many people have lost their cherished lives?" read one internet posting, under the name Bijiexiang.

By Monday morning, there were nearly nine million comments on the Sina Weibo microblog alone.

In the worst-hit district of Fangshan, on the mountainous southwestern outskirts of China's sprawling capital, residents described how roads flooded in minutes, submerging vehicles and destroying houses.

Fangshan farmer Wang Ping, 56, was still looking for his 30-year-old son on a lake shore after finding his smashed up car, and complained that the government was doing nothing to help.

"My son called around nine o'clock on Saturday evening and he said he was surrounded by water, so I went to search for him," Mr Wang told AFP, in between shouting out his name.

"The government isn't doing anything to help me find my son."

In the nearby tourist village of Shidu, villagers were left to clear up the damage to their restaurants, guesthouses and shops after they were battered by trees swept down the overflowing Juma river.

"We never bought insurance, never expected a flood this big," Yang Xing, an 18-year-old student, told AFP as he cleared up broken glass at his grandparents' restaurant.

At least 25 people drowned in Saturday's rains, the heaviest in the capital since records began in 1951. Six died in housing collapses, five were electrocuted and one person was struck by lightning.

The same storm left another 17 people dead and 21 missing in the neighbouring province of Hebei, the China News Service said.

The rains and flooding caused 10 billion yuan-worth ($1.5 billion) of damage in Beijing, while nearly 66,000 people had to be evacuated from their homes, state media said, citing the city government.

"Chinese cities are apparently unpractised in facing disasters such as Saturday's torrential downpour," the Global Times daily said in a Monday editorial critical of the authorities' disaster preparedness.

"If so much chaos can be triggered in Beijing, the capital of the nation, problems in urban infrastructure of many other places can only be worse."

Pictures showed entire parking lots flooded, while rescue and traffic workers were seen diving underwater to unclog roadside drains as helpless drivers looked on from partially submerged cars.

Many roads in the capital were inundated by up to a metre of water, while 500 outbound flights were cancelled and at least 80,000 passengers stranded.

Parts of the Beijing-Guangdong highway, a major arterial route to the south, remained flooded on Monday, the Beijing traffic bureau said.

Much of Beijing's central drainage system dates from imperial times, including the moat around the Forbidden City.

The rain lasted for about 16 hours on Saturday and up to 46 centimetres fell on the outlying mountainous district of Fangshan, the Xinhua news agency said.

Some state-run media focused on how the rains brought the city of more than 20 million people together, with police and traffic workers joining hands with ordinary citizens to rescue stranded motorists.

Xinhua reported that the rains had filled Beijing's 17 major reservoirs, many of which had lacked water due to a 13-year drought.

China's finance ministry has allocated 120 million yuan in relief funds to help Beijing, neighbouring Tianjin city and Hebei province handle the disaster.

Xinhua also said eight people were confirmed dead due to heavy downpours in Sichuan province, in the nation's southwest.

China is routinely ravaged by summertime flooding, which normally wreaks havoc in regions along the central Yangtze river and in the south, but floods are relatively rare in Beijing, which usually has a dry climate.

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I guess if the residents of Beijing themselves are blaming the govt apathy towards the lack of infrastructure especially criticized the city's antiquated water infrastructure , it must be true !

hope that adequate measures are taken to ensure the damage is minimized in future on such natures fury !
 
Isn´t dangerous to blame and critize the government in China?

blaming the government is China's most popular pastime,China has the biggest online population in the world,people love to talk about politics and why it is dangeous?who told you that?

It is time for the Chinese people to revolt and overthrow the commies. Fight for your freedom!

that's a pipe dream,with the rapid improvement of the standard of living,people are getting more and more wealth every year,life in China is stable and future is very promising,what reason do Chinese have to revolt?we are smart people and we what's the best to do for the country and for ourselvs.maybe Korean should revolt against the occupying US troops on your soil.
 
blaming the government is China's most popular pastime,China has the biggest online population in the world,people love to talk about politics and why it is dangeous?who told you that?

Online blogs and posts as rightly said can just be classified as a "pastime" ... it usually means that nothing serious is expected out of blaming over the net ... we have the freedom to post what ever we want ...

However is it possible for the same millions to come down the streets with posters and banners and strike/hold massive meets peacfully and put their views accross or will it result in a situation similar to tianamen square !

PS : I am seriously trying to find out the ground realities and not trying to troll!
 
Online blogs and posts as rightly said can just be classified as a "pastime" ... it usually means that nothing serious is expected out of blaming over the net ... we have the freedom to post what ever we want ...

However is it possible for the same millions to come down the streets with posters and banners and strike/hold massive meets peacfully and put their views accross or will it result in a situation similar to tianamen square !

PS : I am seriously trying to find out the ground realities and not trying to troll!

Here is the answer to your post:

BBC News - China mass protests closes toxic chemical plant in Dalian

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Even the Western media knows this, how come Indians don't know?

Unrest on Rise as China Booms - WSJ.com

In 2010, China was rocked by 180,000 protests, riots and other mass incidents—more than four times the tally from a decade earlier. That figure, reported by Sun Liping, a professor at Tsinghua University, rather than official sources, doesn't tell the whole story on the turmoil in what is now the world's second-largest economy.

If we're not allowed to have protests, how come we can have 180,000 protests in one year?
 
Online blogs and posts as rightly said can just be classified as a "pastime" ... it usually means that nothing serious is expected out of blaming over the net ... we have the freedom to post what ever we want ...

in China on the internet you can say whatever you want to say,and the government and top leaders all have their weibo account,that's good channel to know what the people are thinking about,so it always works like this,one day one hot issue being disscused or a corrupt official being reveal on weibo,the very next day those issued would be corrected and officials sacked and sued,for now,weibo works perfectly as a medium to convey communication bw the people and the govenment,it's very efficient and very fast,people just love it,seeing issues be quickly solved one by one,more and more people are drawn to weibo and use it to vent their grevience.
 
Here is the answer to your post:

BBC News - China mass protests closes toxic chemical plant in Dalian

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Even the Western media knows this, how come Indians don't know?

Unrest on Rise as China Booms - WSJ.com



If we're not allowed to have protests, how come we can have 180,000 protests in one year?

I respect scope for expressing difference of opinion and right to express dissent .... however most of the worlds views regarding China's communist govt is that any kind of dissent will be suppressed immediately and fiercely .

Dont many citizens there feel that democracy would have given them more rights and freedom ?
 
I respect scope for expressing difference of opinion and right to express dissent .... however most of the worlds views regarding China's communist govt is that any kind of dissent will be suppressed immediately and fiercely .

Dont many citizens there feel that democracy would have given them more rights and freedom ?

western propaganda brain washed the whole western world,they never say truth about China,China bashing is the way they have to do to hold on to their jobs.
 
I respect scope for expressing difference of opinion and right to express dissent .... however most of the worlds views regarding China's communist govt is that any kind of dissent will be suppressed immediately and fiercely .

Dont many citizens there feel that democracy would have given them more rights and freedom ?

I am from HK so I will give you my perspective as a Hong Konger.

I feel that democracy works best for countries that are already developed. Not for developing countries like China.

Let's look at some democracies in the "developing" world: Nigeria, Sudan, Columbia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, etc.

In fact, China has by far the best economic performance in the developing world. My city as well (Hong Kong) has a very good economic track record, and we have never been a democracy either.

Once we reach a higher stage of development, then I think it will be good to start political liberalization, but I don't think we should ever have Western-style multi-party democracy. We will build our own system.
 
I dont know whats the problem with collective mentality of people when they accuse the Government for heavy rain fall.
I am sure that most governments in the world do the basic things like better strom drains ect and if still a flash flood occurs, then it just reminds human being that we can not do any thing against nature's furry.

I am from HK so I will give you my perspective as a Hong Konger.

I feel that democracy works best for countries that are already developed. Not for developing countries like China.

Let's look at some democracies in the "developing" world: Nigeria, Sudan, Columbia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, etc. Which ones are doing better than China?

In fact, China has by far the best economic performance in the developing world. My city as well (Hong Kong) has a very good economic track record, and we have never been a democracy either.

Once we reach a higher stage of development, then I think it will be good to start political liberalization, but I don't think we should ever have Western-style multi-party democracy. We will build our own system.
China is no longer a developing country, and the countries that you are comparing in your post are not developing countries either, they are countires that are politically, economically unstable ones.
This is like comparing a topper in a class to the students who fail with 5 marsk/100 (i'll not say these countries as 0 mark students)
 
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