Beginning of Women Rights in Human Civilizations.

[Moonlight]

Here is a very good scholar which im sure @Ammara Chaudhry is familiar with, i like his lectures and short videos as they are very lax and straight to the point.

My most favorite Quran teacher. I don't miss any of his new video and Alhumdulillah I had a chance to listen him live, when he visited New York.

I don't agree that the solution is education. Children are being brainwashed into accepting intolerance and violence to protest 'blasphemy' from a very early age.

What is needed is for the government and society to openly reject constraints on speech and charge anyone explicitly or implicitly threatening violence under the guise of blasphemy under the anti-terrorism laws. It needs to be made clear to the next generation that violence in response to speech is unacceptable.

How are we gonna tell the kids how to differentiate between wrong and right?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Lack of wisdom. Only knowledge can't make you a better person.

Its not the only problem. Over here we see knowledge as a means to wealth. We don't take it for a blessing it is. It has become the the curse of our society.

 

[Moonlight]

Its not the only problem. Over here we see knowledge as a means to wealth. We don't take it for a blessing it is. It has become the the curse of our society.

This needs to change, our mindsets need to change, and also the syllabus.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Why? Because we don't teach kids in schools about it. As per my knowledge, Islamic studies has been taken out of the courses in Pakistan. I did heart about it, but not sure if it was implemented or not.
We don't teach our kids about Islam anymore.

Islamiat is still there but certain syllabus related to intrepretation of Hadith and Quranic verses wa taken out under the pretext that in matric students are too young to understand such matters. Rumour has it that it was done under the pressure from UN?British. Dont know if its true or not.

 

[Mentee]

i understand your troubled sentiment but you must allow me this... as you see, in all my posts i prefer using small letters and that is because i don't see the sense in english language having capital letters... though i don't know nastaliq urdu i don't see that script having a system of capital case and small case... capital case and small case are limited to some languages based on roman script and there too it is simply a cultural agreement to use capitalization for certain things... there is no hard and fast rule.

respect for someone or something is not obtained by writing words with capitalization but with what comes before and after that word... as you said you see my logic, so you do you not think i will be a hypocrite if i capitalize one thing but leave other words in small case??

imagine if all capitalization is removed from english language grammar... wouldn't it be so easy??

hmm, let us agree to disagree

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

No....how it can be..........how a women can be honorable, free and respected unless she exposes herself to everyone...

RIP West and your logic......

 

[jamahir]

A woman counts as only half a man in legal and financial matters is specified with great precision in the Koran:

“And call into witness two men; or if two be not men, then one man and two women” (Koran, The Cow. Verse 282) and “ God charges you concerning your children: to the male the like of the portion of two female” (Koran, Women, verse 11).

i will write about the financial part.

should a muslim lady decide to marry even once she will have three sources of income/wealth/economic-security :

1. her own, from business ( in those days )
2. parental property
3. the mehr ( the alimony pledged at time of wedding )
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this is not the system of any other religion.

however, this was the islami system for the situation at the time of the establishment of islam... sadly, the economic/social situations are the same now, as capitalism and reactionary-ness continue to exist in most parts of the world... only in socialist societies, whether muslim-majority or not, can qurani code be replaced or supplemented with modern socialist security.

(Which may be too much for yo-yo youths in their teens and twenties to accept.).

"yo-yo youths" : that's a new phrase for me... what does it mean??

No....how it can be..........how a women can be honorable, free and respected unless she exposes herself to everyone...

RIP West and your logic......

1. does western culture, though having a background of capitalism, does the culture have "honor killings" and feudals setting dogs upon workers etc??

2. do you want burqa'ism in south asia and the west??

3. do you support the progressives within turkey or the terrorist/war-criminal government of the ikhwaani leader, erdogan??

 

[My-Analogous]

Why? Because we don't teach kids in schools about it. As per my knowledge, Islamic studies has been taken out of the courses in Pakistan. I did heart about it, but not sure if it was implemented or not.
We don't teach our kids about Islam anymore.

My mother and Father teach me basics very well and then i grow and upgrade my knowledge in Islam and now i am forwarding my knowledge to my younger generations. The problem is that when our children grows and need our attention then best solution to skip from our responsibilities is that we give them either TV or some gaming console and think that we made an excellent solutions of our problems and these things become their parents.

 

[Moonlight]

My mother and Father teach me basics very well and then i grow and upgrade my knowledge in Islam and now i am forwarding my knowledge to my younger generations. The problem is that when our children grows and need our attention then best solution to skip from our responsibilities is that we give them either TV or some gaming console and think that we made an excellent solutions of our problems and these things become their parents.

when mothers will be too busy in watching star plus or gossiping about useless things and fathers will provide everything to their kids, except their time. When kids will know at very young age what pornography is and how to watch pirated movies, but will know nothing about Islam other than 1st kALMAH. then, WALLAHI kids at age of 16 will do such things like suicide, rapped. Today all these problems are resulted because of the distance of this generation or society from QURAN and teaching of ISLAM. IT IS NOT THE KIDS WHO SHOULD BE BLAMED, BUT FAMILIES AND HIS SURROUNDINGS. May ALLAH forgive us all. And make us people of deen. (Many people are going to hate this comment though).

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

1. does western culture, though having a background of capitalism, does the culture have "honor killings" and feudals setting dogs upon workers etc??

2. do you want burqa'ism in south asia and the west??

3. do you support the progressives within turkey or the terrorist/war-criminal government of the ikhwaani leader, erdogan??

1. Honor killings and other bullshit are not deep rooted in our society. It is practiced by only illiterate villagers and widely condemned by our society. Every society has some drawbacks but what counts is that whether society acknowledge the problems or not.

2. If women wants to wear Burqa and society doesn't have any problem with it too then fine otherwise not.

3. Pakistanis have commitment with Turkey nation as a whole not with its progressives or government. I support Turkiye, its government, its progressives and its people.

By the way, this word "terrorism" is so loosely used that it has lost its real meaning. I don't take this word very seriously.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Honestly speaking I don't really like him.
Don't miss to listen Mufti Ismael Menk, (mufti) Yasir Gadhi (Hadiths expertise), Shaykh/sheikh Hamza Yusuf. And my most favorite who I can listen all day long, brother Nouman Ali Khan ( great Quran teacher).
Well it's just a stigma that we don't have good scholars or mullahs, masjid near me have very credible teachers and mufti(s). Best thing is, very down to earth and encourage you to ask any question.

like and listen to both of them

 

[jamahir]

1. Honor killings and other bullshit are not deep rooted in our society. It is practiced by only illiterate villagers and widely condemned by our society. Every society has some drawbacks but what counts is that whether society acknowledge the problems or not.

in india and pakistan, specifically, "honor killings" happen in urban areas or those settled in urban areas... in 2014, there were two such cases : of a delhi university female student and the lady outside lahore high court.

these things are deep-rooted in our societies... progressive thought is not.

2. If women wants to wear Burqa and society doesn't have any problem with it too then fine otherwise not.

why would anyone want to wear burqa unless it is through social coercion or through insane females like asiya andrabi ( leader of the all-female burqa terrorism group, duktaraan-e-millat, in the indian side of kashmir )??

3. Pakistanis have commitment with Turkey nation as a whole not with its progressives or government. I support Turkiye, its government, its progressives and its people.

how can you support the progressives like the turkish socialists while at the same time support the reactionaries like the akp party ikhwaani reactionaries??

By the way, this word "terrorism" is so loosely used that it has lost its real meaning. I don't take this word very seriously.

so what would you called fsa, nusra, ntc, the egyptian ikhwaan, taliban, boko haram, hizb-ut-tahrir, etim etc??

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

in india and pakistan, specifically, "honor killings" happen in urban areas or those settled in urban areas... in 2014, there were two such cases : of a delhi university female student and the lady outside lahore high court.

these things are deep-rooted in our societies... progressive thought is not.



why would anyone want to wear burqa unless it is through social coercion or through insane females like asiya andrabi ( leader of the all-female burqa terrorism group, duktaraan-e-millat, in the indian side of kashmir )??



how can you support the progressives like the turkish socialists while at the same time support the reactionaries like the akp party ikhwaani reactionaries??



so what would you called fsa, nusra, ntc, the egyptian ikhwaan, taliban, boko haram, hizb-ut-tahrir, etim etc??

Yes, progressive thoughts should be encouraged and people/government over here have a vision for it too. Honor killings happen but as awareness is growing, people are not liking it. We as a society condemn this brutal act and try to fix it but does west condemn pornography? No, instead they promote it. It is now of billion dollars industry. It is now norm over there. West is lost, man.

No, there are many women in Pakistan who wear burqa without any coercion. And there are also women over here who wear burqa due to their husband wish and they are happy with it. Family bonding is very strong in Pakistan. West can only imagine of that.

I neither support Turkish socialists nor ikhwani reactionaries. I support Turkey and whatever it does for its national interests, doesn't matter who is in government.

I will call them MISTAKES of world. BAD GUYS would be better. I don't know but i hate all these organizations.

 

[aakash_2410]

I knew Indians couldn't keep their noses out of this thread too.

Funny how the Indian above is butthurt yet it took British Empire to ban barbaric Hindu practising of burning widows along with their dead husband. People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Shut up mate! Aren't you the same Islamic State sympathiser that me and Steve made fun of? Still burning over it?

I am well aware of Indian history and that tridition was called 'Sati' and also, British weren't the reason why it got banned, it was Bengali Hindu by the name of Raja Ram Mohan Roy who got it banned by British. Because as outsiders they were the only group of rulers prepared to take on a socially controversial subject.

But you are 100% right that it was barbaric tradition of the highest kind and deserved to be banned long before. Now, will you please join me in denouncing full Niqab and agree that it is also a tradition that deserves to be banned? And in future rather than taking subliminal jibes at me without tagging me due to personal reasons please present your arguments in response to the actual content of the post.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM Exactly all the modern scholars vehemently argue that all the prophets have been male. And I wasn't taking a dig at any particular religion, as an Agnostic myself I feel that religions perhaps are not divine but man made and are efforts to control population. Not that I'm denying spirituality or the Almighty himself.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Shut up mate! Aren't you the same Islamic State sympathiser that me and Steve made fun of?

I'm an Ahmadi Muslim and have lost two cousins fighting Taliban you f@@@@ scum bag, very easy for Indians like you to call all Muslims terrorists if they don't agree with your retarded views.

But you are 100% right that it was barbaric tradition of the highest kind and deserved to be banned long before. Now, will you please join me in denouncing full Niqab and agree that it is also a tradition that deserves to be banned? And in future rather than taking subliminal jibes at me without tagging me due to personal reasons please present your arguments in response to the actual content of the post.

Sure ban Niqab in airports, banks etc and if its a security threat. I think Muslim women shouldn't wear it in Non Muslim countries. However you are no one to call for ban of Niqab.