B'desh steps up troops deployment on Myanmar border amid row

[idune]

As predicted indians are 100 % behind this escalation with Myanmar. Not only india instigated Myanmar to create this maritime dispute but also used indian stooge govt in power to isolate Bangladesh from friendly nations like Pakistan and China. Both countries were primary source of Bangladesh arms and ammunation. Now indias are using Bangladesh precarious situation and using current regime to push signing a defense deal. Same way indians obstruct Nepal defense and same way Bangladesh sovereignty was undermined by initial awami govt by 25 years treaty with india.

Main reason awami regime is trying to be quite because they (with their master’s advice in Delhi) have burned the bridge with Pakistan and China. Without ammunition Bangladesh army cannot fight no matter how good they are. Without ammunition we will be sitting duck and a perfect setup for indian intervention.

Here is the report in Bangla about indian push to sign defense deal:
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=173775&sec=1

 

[M_Saint]

As predicted indians are 100 % behind this escalation with Myanmar. Not only india instigated Myanmar to create this maritime dispute but also used indian stooge govt in power to isolate Bangladesh from friendly nations like Pakistan and China. Both countries were primary source of Bangladesh arms and ammunation. Now indias are using Bangladesh precarious situation and using current regime to push signing a defense deal. Same way indians obstruct Nepal defense and same way Bangladesh sovereignty was undermined by initial awami govt by 25 years treaty with india.

Main reason awami regime is trying to be quite because they (with their master’s advice in Delhi) have burned the bridge with Pakistan and China. Without ammunition Bangladesh army cannot fight no matter how good they are. Without ammunition we will be sitting duck and a perfect setup for indian intervention.

Here is the report in Bangla about indian push to sign defense deal:
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I thought that some of our over ambitious generals were lured into it by uncle that was initially prompted by Indians like they used uncle to engineer 1/11, 07's coup, later to hijack its outcome by their RAWAMY stooges. Learning layered base conspiracies from ISROs, Indians became such audacious that they even started to apply it against uncle. Indian's motive is clear now and they want BD to be subservient for ever. Unless sanity prevails in our side, war like scenario might be escalated to a real one. In that case members of handicapped BD-MIL would find out how worse of a nut-job it was led into, which could pave way the path of Indian to come as a savior.

 

[eastwatch]

In this forum, I have noticed that whatever are the intentions of their govt, Indians prefer friendship with BD, and wants BD guns to be aiming at Myanmar. There is another group who cannot tolerate any conflict with Burma, but always wants BD to be alert about India, even when Burma is in a war preparation against BD.

Nobody knows anyone's real name or nationality in this forum, but I have reason to suspect that people, who do not want BD to protect itself from Burma, are invariably Burmese citizens. But they pretend here in this forum to be BD citizens. The true BD citizens should be aware of these enemies, because they are always trying to redirect the discussions from one of Burma to that of India.

 

[pmukherjee]

In this forum, I have noticed that whatever are the intentions of their govt, Indians prefer friendship with BD, and wants BD guns to be aiming at Myanmar. There is another group who cannot tolerate any conflict with Burma, but always wants BD to be alert about India, even when Burma is in a war preparation against BD.

Nobody knows anyone's real name or nationality in this forum, but I have reason to suspect that people, who do not want BD to protect itself from Burma, are invariably Burmese citizens. But they pretend here in this forum to be BD citizens. The true BD citizens should be aware of these enemies, because they are always trying to redirect the discussions from one of Burma to that of India.

Eastwatch, I dont know whether they are Burmese or Bangladeshi Razakars, Jamat-e-Islami cadre speaking in the voice of their Pakistani masters. As I have said earlier, both BD and Myanmar are friendly nations and India will never want war between the two. If the two go to war, India will be adversely affected as both share a common border with India.

Yes we prefer friendship with BD and dont wish BD to be forced either into a war with Myanmar or into an arms race with that country as both conditions will harm BD which will have to divert scarce resources for military use leaving many people impoverished.

India was forced into spending exorbitant amounts on defense by China after 1962. Before that, PM Nehru wanted to concentrate on developement only. We are paying the price of China and USA proping up Pakistan as their proxy, forcing us to divert resources for the military. That should not happen to BD.

It is in India's interests that BD develops into a strong economy. Improved military capability should come with improved economic status, otherwise it is lopsided development.

 

[eastwatch]

Eastwatch, I dont know whether they are Burmese or Bangladeshi Razakars, Jamat-e-Islami cadre speaking in the voice of their Pakistani masters. As I have said earlier, both BD and Myanmar are friendly nations and India will never want war between the two. If the two go to war, India will be adversely affected as both share a common border with India.

Yes we prefer friendship with BD and dont wish BD to be forced either into a war with Myanmar or into an arms race with that country as both conditions will harm BD which will have to divert scarce resources for military use leaving many people impoverished.

India was forced into spending exorbitant amounts on defense by China after 1962. Before that, PM Nehru wanted to concentrate on developement only. We are paying the price of China and USA proping up Pakistan as their proxy, forcing us to divert resources for the military. That should not happen to BD.

It is in India's interests that BD develops into a strong economy. Improved military capability should come with improved economic status, otherwise it is lopsided development.

Irrespective of what people want, BD has been forced into spending on arms build up since last year's showdown in the Bay of Bengal. Even before that, Burma was not reciprocating to any of BD's goodwill gestures. BD really wanted to go east and to China through Burma. BD wanted to finance the building of a 22km long road inside Burma, BD wanted to finance a hydro-electric power station inside Burma. But, nothing materialized.

BD wanted to purchase gas from Burma, but Burma said it is possible only after a new gas field is discovered. So, what they did to find a new field? They started to exlore in a controversial territory in the Bay. This is how Burma wanted to sell their gas to us - explore in BD territory and sell the gas to BD. BD protested and sent its frigates compelling Burma to withdraw.

Since then, Burma is after fortifying its border with BD. They have built a new garrison only 5 km away, they have built an airforce base in Sittwe only 20 km from the border. This is how they have fortified their positions. Now, I find some Burmese citizens, pretending themselves from our Saint Martin island, in this forum trying to fool us by saying we should turn our guns towards India. What a simplistic mind they have! When the enemy is in the east, should we point our guns to the west? Any BD citizen will never say so.

What I want to say is these Burmese pigs are trying to derail this important thread. Living in India, you may think they are Jamaat people. I know the Jamaatis, they are very educated and polished. Whatever their role was in 1971, it was to minimize the influence of India on the affairs of a Muslim country.

Today also, we need Jamaatis because they will not tolerate any Indian influence in BD. But, I would not think a person is Jamaati when he recommends to give our oil right to Burma. Only a Burmese citizen would do so. Suppose, a war breaks out with Burma, Jamaatis will certainly come with guns in their hands. But, no Burmese citizen will ever do it.

Unfortunately, I see this group in this forum taking every opportunity not to speak against their own country, Burma. They did not even support a forward airbase in Cox's Bazaar too. Can't you see they are not BD citizens?

 

[eastwatch]

A poster (BD) in this thread has doubted if BD has 30 naval vehicles that BD claims to have manuevard against Burma. I can only say that we have much more than that and if we can include submarines to our naval fleet in the future, our naval strength will be second only to India. I have found we have at least the following crafts in our navy:

1) Frigates : 5 units
2) Large offshore Patrol Vessel : 5 "
3) Fast Attack Craft (Missile) : 10 units
4) " " " (Torpedo) : 8 "
5) " " " (Submarine chaser) : 4 "
6) " " " (Gun) : 12 "
7) Coastal Patrol Craft : 5 "
8) Riverine " " : 5 "
9) Training Ship : 1 "
10) Mine Sweepers : 5 "
11) Auxiliaries : 9 units

Other than those above, BD will modernize its fleet by adding following vehicles.

1) 3 missile frigates
2) 3 large patrol vehicles
3) 12 Patrol craft
4) 4 submarines
5) 2 landing crafts
6) 1 hydrgraphic unit
7) 1 salavage vessel
8) 4 fast attack crafts and
9) Other miscellenous crafts such as small missile crafts to be produced with the Pakistani technical cooperation.

Our existing Frigates are equipped with C-802 and C-803 Chnese missiles that can hit targets at 200 km distance. I have seen the video. In lieu of being protected by electronics gadgets, the target could not resist or deviate the missiles. The missiles hit the target without fail. The test was done last year. BD may be producing these missiles under Chinese licence. Indian newspapers wrote elaborately about this missile and its effect on the balance of power. This missile can also be used as surface to surface weapon.

 

[Straight]

Action at home before that at border ?

The choice on ‘War or No War’---unless imposed on us unavoidably---with Myanmar at this moment depends on understanding the mechanics of interests of US-India-Israel axis in this subcontinent by way of analyzing development(s) at the west and east theaters of India.

Even to impose the war on us, requires an alibi of excuse. That angle too requires to be analyzed : Whether that is also being provided / enhanced by the axis of interest mentioned as above or it is truly a bi-partisan genuine issue evolved in a natural way between Bangladesh and Myanmar.

This exercise of understanding will be under full light if following facts are taken in to consideration:

1. India has been given a big task to strip Pakistan of any power, and to become the Captain of this region

2. In repay to this grand position, India has to take a role in Afghanistan, and face China squarely, as and if required

3. India, to carry out above task, requires a dominated back-yard out of Bangladesh, and a quick-transport network to NE 7 states

4. Further, Bangladesh has to be made engaged to any perpetual problem that will take Bangladesh people’s attention away from India’s design in Bangladesh to make and keep it dominated for as long as required.

Myanmar border tension and contested Oil & Gas right in the bay etc. are crops of #4, and SH and her Bangladesh Govt. is the crop of #3.

As regards to #2, in Afghanistan, the Indians completed an electric transmission line from Phul-e-Khumri to Kabul, one of several projects worth $1.6 billion, making India the fifth largest donor to Afghanistan. In addition to the electric transmission line, India has also helped construct the Zaranj-Delaram Highway, which was inaugurated in January, 09. They have also funded a hundred small development projects in rural Afghanistan, designed to provide quick respite to rural populations, and five medical missions that dispense medicines to over 1,000 people a day. (See : http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/36740-taliban-vs-india-whats-taliban-its-not-raw.html)

As regards to #1, Pak Army has been cornered (by threat of stripping Nuke ability), coaxed (politically & financially) & arranged (thru the large body of Shiite officers in PA) to be engaged heavily (few divisions with full artillery & armor and warplanes) with own Muslim brothers in South Waziristan at the west so that PA may not entangle themselves effectively to appear again at eastern border when it will be deemed necessary afterwards (almost similarly what happened in 1971 in Bangladesh---a classic ‘Poetic Justice’ case). To make it imperatively happen, TTP has been paid its asking price by the axis for carrying out :

• Attack on GHQ, Pak Army
• Attack on Police buildings at Lahore [the dynamite found has the same chemical composition as is used by India---its own product---in Afghan Road Project].
• Attack on Pakistan Nuclear Site (See URGENT: India Pays Baitullah Mehsud To Attack Pakistan's Nuclear Sites, Plan Deployed | Haqeeqat.Org )


Above instruct us to decide for WAR with Myanmar in our own interest---not for others’ interest. We should be at war if and when we are attacked---but should urgently take all preparations and pre-cautions, nevertheless, as if it is inevitable next dawn.

But, concurrently GoB should talk to China urgently :

• To ensure China’s favorable role in case Myanmar attacks
• To obtain China’s support to persuade Myanmar not to contest Bangladesh’s due right in the Bay to explore Oil & Gas


We must keep in mind:

• This part of Asia containing Nepal, India’s NE 7 sister states, Bangladesh & Myanmar is a sensitive zone to China’s interest. A weak Pakistan is also against interest of China that may pull China into a war with China when the next phase of actions will unfold in Pakistan---once this Taliban vs Pak Army phase is over .

The long border of India with China is not an appropriate terrain to execute a decisive war---China has bigger & stronger army with infrastructure stretched to the border, though. Here, any fight of might between China and India will be decided by aerial warfare---in which China surpasses India by several fold.

• Myanmar will follow the footsteps of China if a war ensues between India and China

The most irritating question in the decision-making process on our retaliatory action to Myanmar is whether current GoB under SH is in position and has the required credentials to perform a series of sincere talks with China as necessary ?

If not, War or No War, in both cases we are at serious handicap & deficiency at home.

We must focus on this front immediately.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Bangladesh faces tension sparked by Myanmar's reported military and refugee build-up on the border - Indian Military ready to help in case of need

India Daily - Oct. 19, 2009

Yangon had brought in tanks, artillery and warships to to push 15,000 Rohingyas refugees into Bangladesh.

The Bangladesh Rifles have been kept on high alert along the southeast frontier.Officials said over 3,000 border guards were deployed to reinforce BDR positions at Cox's Bazaar-Teknaf fronts along the 271 km.

Bangladesh is looking towards India for assistance in case of a conflict. In addition, the country is negotiating with China and requesting help from the United Nations.

Indian Army Eastern Command headquartered in Fort Williams of Kolkata is watching the situation very closely.

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[M_Saint]

Action at home before that at border ?

The choice on ‘War or No War’---unless imposed on us unavoidably---with Myanmar at this moment depends on understanding the mechanics of interests of US-India-Israel axis in this subcontinent by way of analyzing development(s) at the west and east theaters of India.

Even to impose the war on us, requires an alibi of excuse. That angle too requires to be analyzed : Whether that is also being provided / enhanced by the axis of interest mentioned as above or it is truly a bi-partisan genuine issue evolved in a natural way between Bangladesh and Myanmar.

This exercise of understanding will be under full light if following facts are taken in to consideration:

1. India has been given a big task to strip Pakistan of any power, and to become the Captain of this region

2. In repay to this grand position, India has to take a role in Afghanistan, and face China squarely, as and if required

3. India, to carry out above task, requires a dominated back-yard out of Bangladesh, and a quick-transport network to NE 7 states

4. Further, Bangladesh has to be made engaged to any perpetual problem that will take Bangladesh people’s attention away from India’s design in Bangladesh to make and keep it dominated for as long as required.

Myanmar border tension and contested Oil & Gas right in the bay etc. are crops of #4, and SH and her Bangladesh Govt. is the crop of #3.

As regards to #2, in Afghanistan, the Indians completed an electric transmission line from Phul-e-Khumri to Kabul, one of several projects worth $1.6 billion, making India the fifth largest donor to Afghanistan. In addition to the electric transmission line, India has also helped construct the Zaranj-Delaram Highway, which was inaugurated in January, 09. They have also funded a hundred small development projects in rural Afghanistan, designed to provide quick respite to rural populations, and five medical missions that dispense medicines to over 1,000 people a day. (See : http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/36740-taliban-vs-india-whats-taliban-its-not-raw.html)

As regards to #1, Pak Army has been cornered (by threat of stripping Nuke ability), coaxed (politically & financially) & arranged (thru the large body of Shiite officers in PA) to be engaged heavily (few divisions with full artillery & armor and warplanes) with own Muslim brothers in South Waziristan at the west so that PA may not entangle themselves effectively to appear again at eastern border when it will be deemed necessary afterwards (almost similarly what happened in 1971 in Bangladesh---a classic ‘Poetic Justice’ case). To make it imperatively happen, TTP has been paid its asking price by the axis for carrying out :

• Attack on GHQ, Pak Army
• Attack on Police buildings at Lahore [the dynamite found has the same chemical composition as is used by India---its own product---in Afghan Road Project].
• Attack on Pakistan Nuclear Site (See URGENT: India Pays Baitullah Mehsud To Attack Pakistan's Nuclear Sites, Plan Deployed | Haqeeqat.Org )


Above instruct us to decide for WAR with Myanmar in our own interest---not for others’ interest. We should be at war if and when we are attacked---but should urgently take all preparations and pre-cautions, nevertheless, as if it is inevitable next dawn.

But, concurrently GoB should talk to China urgently :

• To ensure China’s favorable role in case Myanmar attacks
• To obtain China’s support to persuade Myanmar not to contest Bangladesh’s due right in the Bay to explore Oil & Gas


We must keep in mind:

• This part of Asia containing Nepal, India’s NE 7 sister states, Bangladesh & Myanmar is a sensitive zone to China’s interest. A weak Pakistan is also against interest of China that may pull China into a war with China when the next phase of actions will unfold in Pakistan---once this Taliban vs Pak Army phase is over .

The long border of India with China is not an appropriate terrain to execute a decisive war---China has bigger & stronger army with infrastructure stretched to the border, though. Here, any fight of might between China and India will be decided by aerial warfare---in which China surpasses India by several fold.

• Myanmar will follow the footsteps of China if a war ensues between India and China

The most irritating question in the decision-making process on our retaliatory action to Myanmar is whether current GoB under SH is in position and has the required credentials to perform a series of sincere talks with China as necessary ?

If not, War or No War, in both cases we are at serious handicap & deficiency at home.

We must focus on this front immediately.

A superb analysis, indeed. Take my lal salaam, Straight Vhai. I can't add anything except uncle+west's arsenals would be added to the Indian ones in case war breaks out between IND vs CHN and many PAK generals are Kadiany too.

 

[TopCat]

A superb analysis, indeed. Take my lal salaam, Straight Vhai. I can't add anything except uncle+west's arsenals would be added to the Indian ones in case war breaks out between IND vs CHN and many PAK generals are Kadiany too.

Hmmmm .. you are la jawab... LOL

 

[BanglaBhoot]

In this forum, I have noticed that whatever are the intentions of their govt, Indians prefer friendship with BD, and wants BD guns to be aiming at Myanmar. There is another group who cannot tolerate any conflict with Burma, but always wants BD to be alert about India, even when Burma is in a war preparation against BD.

Nobody knows anyone's real name or nationality in this forum, but I have reason to suspect that people, who do not want BD to protect itself from Burma, are invariably Burmese citizens. But they pretend here in this forum to be BD citizens. The true BD citizens should be aware of these enemies, because they are always trying to redirect the discussions from one of Burma to that of India.

I suspect that you are the false Bangladeshi in our midst. You are the RAW agent provocateur who is inciting us against Myanmar only to ignore India's devious plan to obtain a supply line to its troops in Arunachal Pradesh. Yes we must fight Myanmar if war is imposed on us but we should be wary of India. We must be careful of any attempt by the AL to seek assistance from India which would be merely an excuse to allow them to occupy Bangladesh. They left reluctantly in 1971 they will not leave this time. Do you think the deaths of 57 army officers in Peelkhana is separate from what is going on now? I stand by my statement that if we send an army division to fight Myanmar we raise another division to replace it to face India just in case. Anyone who does not take precautions against India is the traitor. Yes I have written a book but you are an unknown quantity. I am quite positive now that you are the impostor.

 

[Patriot]

As regards to #1, Pak Army has been cornered (by threat of stripping Nuke ability), coaxed (politically & financially) & arranged (thru the large body of Shiite officers in PA) to be engaged heavily (few divisions with full artillery & armor and warplanes) with own Muslim brothers in South Waziristan at the west so that PA may not entangle themselves effectively to appear again at eastern border when it will be deemed necessary afterwards (almost similarly what happened in 1971 in Bangladesh---a classic ‘Poetic Justice’ case). To make it imperatively happen, TTP has been paid its asking price by the axis for carrying out :

OH man could not stop laughing.We should send talibans to Bangladesh so you can treat them as your naik brothers.

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Yar honestly these nutjobs who bring religion in everything are totally insane.As if Pakistani sunni officers wont fight enemy *be it india or talibans.It was Pakistani Sunni officer who mentioned
The green of Bangladesh has to be panted red.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

• To ensure China’s favorable role in case Myanmar attacks
• To obtain China’s support to persuade Myanmar not to contest Bangladesh’s due right in the Bay to explore Oil & Gas

China will probably remain silent if Myanmar attacks. Myanmar has come out of the influnce of China and relies on India now for support.

The most irritating question in the decision-making process on our retaliatory action to Myanmar is whether current GoB under SH is in position and has the required credentials to perform a series of sincere talks with China as necessary ?

If Sheikh Hasina were to release Gen. Razzak ul Haider and Brig. Rahim and drop all charges in relation to their case that might be a step favourable to China. If the government also changed the name of the Bangabandhu International Conference Centre back to the original China-Bangladesh Friendship Conference Centre and apologized then China might be more amendable. Neither of these things are going to happen under the AL so no point dreaming about it.

 

[Straight]

OH man could not stop laughing.We should send talibans to Bangladesh so you can treat them as your naik brothers.

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Yar honestly these nutjobs who bring religion in everything are totally insane.As if Pakistani sunni officers wont fight enemy *be it india or talibans.It was Pakistani Sunni officer who mentioned
The green of Bangladesh has to be panted red.

Exactly this was the size of laugh we used to hear in 1971.

All interested member:

Kindly listen to Mir Hamid of the daily Jung <

> to realize the reality. He is challenging---in this interview---that PA is killing only poor people, and not at all engaging TTP or whoever is targeted. He also mentioned that Pakistan has lost hearts of the entire people all along the stretch of land of 400 km in Waziristan.

Now, they might be derailed youth (Islam never asks to kill innocents as they are doing) whom you must take responsibility to bring back into correct fold---especially so when you derailed them in the 1st place. But to deny them as ‘Not my brother’---similar to ‘after 1970 election in EP (now Bangladesh)’ may make you receive something in the same coin you paid then.

I should write ‘Shiite / Punjabi’ instead---only to reflect the fact. My intention was not to say that they are all good or bad or to express any ethnic hatred.

As regards to the Green of Bangladesh….. you are correct. Your quote is what we heard, too.

Don’t send us Taliban, please. We have enough own lot here to give us headache. Just pray that in both and all places these strayed unfortunate sons and brothers of ours get the right direction, and rather can present Islam to others in elegant & nicer manner.

Sorry for transgressing the thread.

 

[Patriot]

Yeah Hamid mir sources are what..Taliban leaders?Hamid Mir a guy who openly supports Taliban.He sure know more then Talat Hussain and other journalists who've actually spoken with civilian in front of media instead of making up stories and damage to civilians is unfortunate but it wont happen now.They have been evacuated from Wazrisitan so you can now sleep peacefully as nroaml people are out of Wazrisitan now and only militants are fighting.