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BD’s economy; apparent, noticed and unnoticed.

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Hi, I did a deep observation on BD’s economy from a very different perspective. People talk about BD’s GDP and GDP growth rate and think that BD will soon become a country of Middle Income in around next 10 years. But what is the amount of GDP per capita BD needs to become a Middle Income country?? If you look at the picture 01 below (at row 14, Lower Middle income countries), the GDP per capita for Lower Middle Income countries were around 593$, 1411$, 1676$ and 1876$ in the years of 2000, 2009, 2010, and 2011 respectively. Here the trend shows, the amount of GDP per capita needs to be a Lower Middle Income country increases year to year. So, BD may have 1876$ GDP per capita in 2021, but not in the class of a Lower Middle Income country even.

Another thing in my observation, I have not considered the GDP volume and GDP growth rate. Because, I think when we look at our GDP growth rate or volume, we do not see the difference of GDP per capita among the countries and it does not show us whether the gap between GDP per capita between two countries is increasing or decreasing. For example, -3.5%, and 3.0%, and 1.7% were the GDP growth rate of USA in 2009, 2010 and 2011 years, where 9.2%, 10.4% and 9.3% were the GDP growth rate of China in 2009, 2010 and 2011 years respectively (GDP growth (annual %) | Data | Table ). Clearly, the performances of China were excellent in term of GDP growth rate, when USA’s were worse due to WOT and recession. But, surprise to notice, the gap between China and USA in terms of GDP per capita (look at the picture below, corresponding row 40, and columns DWCN 2000, DWCN 2009, DWCN 2010 and DWCN 2011 and comments) had been increasing from year to year (around 34132$ in 2000, 41443$ in 2009, 42268$ in 2010 and 42996$ in 2011). So, I want to say, even BD’s GDP growth rate runs at a pace of 10% per year, we may not even reach into the class of Lower Middle Income country in 10 years or more because of inflation, and also the amount needed to be in the Lower Middle Income country class increases year to year.

Moreover, going at a good pace in GDP growth rate for BD does not mean we are doing so good always, because, according to the theory of Competitive Advantage in economic, the some portions of economy shift from country to country. Like, 100 years ago, USA people used to work at garment industry, today that economic activity has shifted to BD due to Competitive Advantage of USA. For that reason, BD’s GDP is growing, but other rich countries are not standing idle. So, even though, our GDP is growing at a good pace, in most of the times, the gap in terms of GDP per capita between BD and rich (also other countries) countries are increasing year to year. So, for BD, the GDP per capita needed to be even in a Lower Middle Income country will be not easy at all, as the GDP per capita needed to be a Middle Income country is increasing year to year comparing the living standards of the Middle Income countries today.

Here:

Row 1-41 = Name of the countries/class of the countries.

Column 2000 = GDP per capita in 2000
Column 2009 = GDP per capita in 2009
Column 2010 = GDP per capita in 2010
Column 2011 = GDP per capita in 2011

DWBD 2000 = Difference of the GDP per capita between BD and other countries/class of the countries in 2000.
DWBD 2009 = Difference of the GDP per capita between BD and other countries/class of the countries in 2009
DWBD 2010 = Difference of the GDP per capita between BD and other countries/class of the countries in 2010.
DWBD 2011 = Difference of the GDP per capita between BD and other countries/class of the countries in 2011.

DWCN = here, CN for China
LMI = Low Middle Income countries
HIPC = Highly indebted poor countries

Upward red arrows (BD) = Gap between BD and other countries in terms of GDP per capita had reduced (a positive sign for BD’s economy), due to either BD’s economy was good or the other countries economy were in bad condition.

Downward black arrows (BD) = Gap between BD and other countries in terms of GDP per capita had increased (a negetive sign for BD’s economy), due to either BD’s economy was bad or the other countries economy were in good condition.

BD’s comparative economy scenario: (open in other tab for enlarged view)

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China’s comparative economy scenario:

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Observation result:

For BD, only in 13 times, the gap between BD and other countries in terms of GDP per capita had reduced (only 13 times upward red arrows were seen). And these red arrows were found only in the cases of recession in EU, LMI and HIPC, and there are always a increasing gap between BD and rich North American countries and Lower/Middle Income countries in term of GDP per capita. I do not know how BD will be in the class of Middle Income countries with this poor performance (seems rhetorical) where other countries are not standing idle and GDP per capita needed to be a Middle Income country is increasing year to year comparing the living standards of the Middle Income countries today. I think there is much hype about BD’s economy!

For China, 59 times the gap between China and other countries in terms of GDP per capita had reduced (59 times upward red arrows). Good performance by China.


P.S:

1. GDP per capita is gross domestic product divided by midyear population. GDP is the sum of gross value added by all resident producers in the economy plus any product taxes and minus any subsidies not included in the value of the products. It is calculated without making deductions for depreciation of fabricated assets or for depletion and degradation of natural resources. Data are in current U.S. dollars.

2. Data orgin: http://api.worldbank.org/datafiles/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD_Indicator_MetaData_en_EXCEL.xls



Eorl: BD’s economy; apparent, noticed and unnoticed.
 
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The real reason why BD GDP/capita is not showing as "catching up" to the West is due to the constant depreciation of the Taka over the last few decades.

This is quite normal for a very poor, developing country like BD.

Sometime in the next decade or two, we will see the Taka not depreciating or even appreciating against the currencies of much richer countries and the the "catch-up" will be very noticeable.
 
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So it means, even if we want to get into the Lower Middle Income country, TAKA has to appreciate consecutively to get into the moving range of required GDP per capita. Seems not happening before 15 years at least. Government is ignoring these facts shown above and keep saying that ...........
 
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Eorl ⚔;3703586 said:
So it means, even if we want to get into the Lower Middle Income country, TAKA has to appreciate consecutively to get into the moving range of required GDP per capita. Seems not happening before 15 years at least. Government is ignoring these facts shown above and keep saying that ...........

You dnt need to come here with demonizing BD thread and wannabe of some xyz country each time. It has been said numerous time that and discussed already current Bangladesh's GDP is hugely underestimated. Next year upgradation of base year from 1995 to 2005 will be done next year which will raise GDP of Bangladesh substantially. If not after that Bangladesh's GDP reached the level of middle income country 1095 usd per capita then within next 2-5 year for sure.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/221514-bbs-finalises-2005-06-new-gdp-base-year.html

During 2000 when GDP had been revised from 1985-1995 base year Bangladesh's GDP was upgraded by 30%.
 
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Eorl ⚔;3703586 said:
So it means, even if we want to get into the Lower Middle Income country, TAKA has to appreciate consecutively to get into the moving range of required GDP per capita. Seems not happening before 15 years at least. Government is ignoring these facts shown above and keep saying that ...........

You have busted Captain of Awami fan club and Awami league proganda business out of order. He will be screaming and spamming with all kind of BS now. Including the famous BS that anyone exposes Awami League propaganda, he/she labeled as "anti Bangladesh" as if Bangladesh is Awami League property. These thugs should be kicked ot to west of our border in ghoti land where they belong.
 
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Becoming middle income country by 2021 is the national target not just of any particular party except some anti state element that we see here. Appreciating taka is just part of the method through which GDP can be rised. For example Myanmar appreciated Kyat by around 50% in 2 year to raise per capita GDP from 560 to 853 kyat. But Bangladesh is just revising base year which itself will raise GDP even without appreciating taka.

N who post all sort of bs and propaganda and get busted everyone knows here.
 
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Becoming middle income country by 2021 is the national target not just of any particular party except some anti state element that we see here. Appreciating taka is just part of the method through which GDP can be rised. For example Myanmar appreciated Kyat by around 50% in 2 year to raise per capita GDP from 560 to 853 kyat. But Bangladesh is just revising base year which itself will raise GDP even without appreciating taka.

N who post all sort of bs and propaganda and get busted everyone knows here.

Per capita income is just one aspect of being middle income country. HDI, infrastructure and overall look of the country as well as national consensus will determine whether its a middle income country or not.

Bangladesh looks $hit on bare eyes. It does not qualify as middle income country and neither will it in 2021.
 
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Per capita income is just one aspect of being middle income country. HDI, infrastructure and overall look of the country as well as national consensus will determine whether its a middle income country or not.

Bangladesh looks $hit on bare eyes. It does not qualify as middle income country and neither will it in 2021.

What is the minimum HDI require to be a middle income country??? Pakistan and Bangladesh for now has same HDI but with upgrading base year it will be lagged behind. But Pakistan is a middle income country. Any idea on it.
 
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Per capita income is just one aspect of being middle income country. HDI, infrastructure and overall look of the country as well as national consensus will determine whether its a middle income country or not.

Bangladesh looks $hit on bare eyes. It does not qualify as middle income country and neither will it in 2021.

A huge amount of money are being spent on infrastructure. By 2016, we should have several roads, metro rail and wider bridges so stop being such a whiny ******.
 
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Look at the facts below:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

If we look at the data for 1980 and 2012 we can see GDP/capita ratio of BD to US has gone DOWN in nominal US dollars from 2% to 1.5%.

When we use PPP value then it has gone UP from 2 to 4%.

This means that BD is catching up really.

Two reasons why BD/Capita ratio has been going down in nominal dollars is due to the fact that BD had much lower PPP growth in the 2 decades before 2000 and also the constant devaluation of the Taka versus the dollar which is continuing to this day.

Now GDP/capita in BD should grow at nearly 6% a year this decade compared to only around 1% in the US and the results at least in GDP/capita PPP will be very noticeable going into the future.

Too many people like to make comments about economics without the requisite knowledge and/or numeral abilities.
 
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You dnt need to come here with demonizing BD thread and wannabe of some xyz country each time. It has been said numerous time that and discussed already current Bangladesh's GDP is hugely underestimated. Next year upgradation of base year from 1995 to 2005 will be done next year which will raise GDP of Bangladesh substantially. If not after that Bangladesh's GDP reached the level of middle income country 1095 usd per capita then within next 2-5 year for sure.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/221514-bbs-finalises-2005-06-new-gdp-base-year.html

During 2000 when GDP had been revised from 1985-1995 base year Bangladesh's GDP was upgraded by 30%.



No personal attack, no matter if my posts dismay you or BD, if these are backed by data/links. So just talk to the points.

And forget about Middle Income countries, BD will not be in the Lower Middle Income countries in next 10 years. I collected data from Worldbank's website and I made two linear equation graphs that show that BD will not reach the moving range of Lower Middle Income countries in next decade.

BD's GDP per capita were (2002-2011):

2002- 354.3039819
2003- 380.2787218
2004- 407.9878558
2005- 428.7534812
2006- 434.8408455
2007- 475.2496513
2008- 546.846854
2009- 607.7649413
2010- 674.9316307
2011- 734.9952538

and it will be around 1151$ in 2021 (found in linear equation, look at the graph).

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Lower Middle Income countries' GDP per capita were (2002-2011):

2002- 619.429518
2003- 699.1094438
2004- 789.5314593
2005- 897.2645098
2006- 1050.130517
2007- 1275.89974
2008- 1412.437234
2009- 1411.723276
2010- 1676.423168
2011- 1876.681544

and it will be around 3335$ in 2021 (found in linear equation, look at the graph 02).

Now assume that if we correct BD's GDP base, the 1151$ in 2021 will be double, i.e. 2302$ in 2021. But still its far behind from 3335$ that other Lower Middle Countries will have in 2021. Now tell me that you are sure that other countries do not need to revised their GDP base and no new economic sectors are needed to incorporate in their GDP calculations!

lmit.jpg


So BD may have higher GDP rate and GDP per capita in next 10 years, but it will be not in the list of Lower Middle Income country in next 10 years, as the required GDP per capita for Lower Middle Income country will be more than 3335$ in 2021.
 
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Look at the facts below:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

If we look at the data for 1980 and 2012 we can see GDP/capita ratio of BD to US has gone DOWN in nominal US dollars from 2% to 1.5%.

When we use PPP value then it has gone UP from 2 to 4%.

This means that BD is catching up really.

Two reasons why BD/Capita ratio has been going down in nominal dollars is due to the fact that BD had much lower PPP growth in the 2 decades before 2000 and also the constant devaluation of the Taka versus the dollar which is continuing to this day.

Now GDP/capita in BD should grow at nearly 6% a year this decade compared to only around 1% in the US and the results at least in GDP/capita PPP will be very noticeable going into the future.

Too many people like to make comments about economics without the requisite knowledge and/or numeral abilities.

Actually, here the argument is about whether BD will be in the class of Middle Income Country after 10 years. Not about the GDP volume/ growth rate. BD may have good rate but may not be in the class of Middle Income Country after 10 years.

I have found that the GDP per capita for Lower Middle Income countries were:

2002- 619.429518
2003- 699.1094438
2004- 789.5314593
2005- 897.2645098
2006- 1050.130517
2007- 1275.89974
2008- 1412.437234
2009- 1411.723276
2010- 1676.423168
2011- 1876.681544 USD

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So the GDP per capita is increasing year to year for those countries. And the range is moving needed to be in the list of Lower Middle Income countries. So, BD may have 2302$ GDP per capita ( or 2500$ maximum after GDP base revision) in 2021, but not in the class of a Lower Middle Income country, because, by that time, GDP per capita for Lower Middle Income countries will be around 3335$ in 2021 (found in linear equation, look at the graph 02).
 
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Eorl ⚔;3705189 said:
No personal attack, no matter if my posts dismay you or BD, if these are backed by data/links. So just talk to the points.

And forget about Middle Income countries, BD will not be in the Lower Middle Income countries in next 10 years. I collected data from Worldbank's website and I made two linear equation graphs that show that BD will not reach the moving range of Lower Middle Income countries in next decade.

BD's GDP per capita were (2002-2011):

2002- 354.3039819
2003- 380.2787218
2004- 407.9878558
2005- 428.7534812
2006- 434.8408455
2007- 475.2496513
2008- 546.846854
2009- 607.7649413
2010- 674.9316307
2011- 734.9952538

and it will be around 1151$ in 2021 (found in linear equation, look at the graph).

53809384.jpg


Lower Middle Income countries' GDP per capita were (2002-2011):

2002- 619.429518
2003- 699.1094438
2004- 789.5314593
2005- 897.2645098
2006- 1050.130517
2007- 1275.89974
2008- 1412.437234
2009- 1411.723276
2010- 1676.423168
2011- 1876.681544

and it will be around 3335$ in 2021 (found in linear equation, look at the graph 02).

Now assume that if we correct BD's GDP base, the 1151$ in 2021 will be double, i.e. 2302$ in 2021. But still its far behind from 3335$ that other Lower Middle Countries will have in 2021. Now tell me that you are sure that other countries do not need to revised their GDP base and no new economic sectors are needed to incorporate in their GDP calculations!

lmit.jpg


So BD may have higher GDP rate and GDP per capita in next 10 years, but it will be not in the list of Lower Middle Income country in next 10 years, as the required GDP per capita for Lower Middle Income country will be more than 3335$ in 2021.

Instead of going into detail lets make it to the point. From where you have got the imaginary figure that for lower middle income country per capita GDP as of 2011 should be 1876.68 USD? If this is the case neither Pakistan is lower middle income country nor India even with 1500 USD per capita. They also not likely to be one by 2021 with 3335 USD per capita. So, it is not a big deal if Bangladesh also can not be if we go by your logic.

Even under present circumstances Bangladesh within a decade will cross per capita GDP of Pakistan. If we accept your argument even with that Bangladesh wont be middle income country by 2021 then what will be the condition of Pakistan???

Now lets see what is the definition of countries by certain income level. I am using World Bank's definition that you are saying have used here.

How we Classify Countries | Data

Income group: Economies are divided according to 2011 GNI per capita, calculated using the World Bank Atlas method. The groups are: low income, $1,025 or less; lower middle income, $1,026 - $4,035; upper middle income, $4,036 - $12,475; and high income, $12,476 or more.

Now tell me in which angle it appeared to you Bangladesh wont cross the $1026 per capia income mark by 2021.

What is appearing to me you are using average income of all middle income countries and coming up with that value. But that is irrelevant here.
 
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