BD Government to seek Evidence from Pakistan and USA - War Crime 1971

[gromell]

Your forefathers fought for Pakistan, would you call them Razakars also??

Those who are forcing you to investigate against us now for 1971 will accuse you tomorrow for ‘Direct Action Day’, what will you do then? You have association with Pakistan and you cannot deny it.

Razakar was founded in 1971. I don't think any Bangladeshi who lived in 1965 war, supported India, and rightly so. But then West Pakistan herself contributed to the fate of 71. There was overwhelming support for Mukti bahini. I mean I wish you could go to Bangladesh once and hear from people, innocent people who don't have any opportunistic intentions in their heads, they'd describe you what happened in 1971 and what they went through on the hands of their, erstwhile, own army.

 

[salman nedian]

few more pictures taken by Christian Simonpietri.... VIEWER DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED

Few things to notice in these pictures, first the people who are welcoming Indian army are not in large numbers which shows that people were scared and shocked to see what happened. Second thing is that see how brutally people were killed and this cannot be done by a well trained professional army who was there to defend the motherland. In Bosnia there were mass graves but no such thing found in BD and thirdly what is the proof that the child was killed by army?

 

[dabong1]

Thats Samsher m. Choudury a BD ambassador. Its not PK ambassador so that we could count on that. PK envoy said in Dhaka last month that Its not the time for tiral.
Thanks

I never said Samsher m. Choudury was the pak ambassador!

Justice should take place.......rape,murder,arson ect took place during the bangladesh war and all those involved should be taken to court...pakistani or bangladeshi.

 

[salman nedian]

Razakar was founded in 1971. I don't think any Bangladeshi who lived in 1965 war, supported India, and rightly so. But then West Pakistan herself contributed to the fate of 71. There was overwhelming support for Mukti bahini. I mean I wish you could go to Bangladesh once and hear from people, innocent people who don't have any opportunistic intentions in their heads, they'd describe you what happened in 1971 and what they went through on the hands of their, erstwhile, own army.

Pakistan is a country which gave shelter to millions of Afghans, welcomed migrants from India openheartedly, that’s what we are. I want you to visit Karachi and see how many Bangladeshis are living here, many of them don’t want accept BD as their country and don’t want to go back. When the tragedy of 71 happened we did not kill any Bengali here in fact they were allowed to return back with a copy of Quran to remind them that what relationship we have. We cannot kill our people this brutally. I am not denying that atrocities were committed but who do you think is responsible for killings of west Pakistanis there? If we open the file we have to fulfill all the aspects of justice.

 

[TopCat]

Few things to notice in these pictures, first the people who are welcoming Indian army are not in large numbers which shows that people were scared and shocked to see what happened. Second thing is that see how brutally people were killed and this cannot be done by a well trained professional army who was there to defend the motherland. In Bosnia there were mass graves but no such thing found in BD and thirdly what is the proof that the child was killed by army?

Professional Pakistan army???
Were they really professional??? A lot of your commanders deserted their own soldiers and ran away in December 1971 leaving the soldiers to take care of themselves.
They did not defend, what you call motherland when it comes to real war. They were coward.

Thanks

 

[salman nedian]

Professional Pakistan army???
Were they really professional??? A lot of your commanders deserted their own soldiers and ran away in December 1971 leaving the soldiers to take care of themselves.
They did not defend, what you call motherland when it comes to real war. They were coward.

Thanks

Pakistan army defended their country in 1965 bravely. The difference in 1971 was that they were outnumbered and people were against them. Many units continued to fight even after surrender.

 

[Raquib]

Pakistan army defended their country in 1965 bravely. The difference in 1971 was that they were outnumbered and people were against them. Many units continued to fight even after surrender.

do you know why PEOPLE were against "them"?? a population of 70 million, who strongly supported and many of them took part and blew up innumerable Indian military trucks risking their own lives in war of 1965...

 

[aussie_1973]

Why? Pakistan defense forum does not allow the truth? it allows only the ones who blindly polishes pakistan? al zakir is trying to cool things up?? He is calling whomsoever mushrik and stuff, just reading harmless post, that does not catch ur eyes... but i did not say single time razakar is something and this and that; and u hve asserted i have big problem with razakar?

The thread is about BD war crimes of 71. What do you expect me to talk about? Bosnian war crime? If you really don't like people commenting on it then stop the thread. I will be the last one to attack someone personally here.

I am a member of Bangladesh defense forum, Bharat Rakshak and this one. Are you telling me i have to be member of only one at a time?

I could have called people munafik, the razakar who supplied muslim women to army camp in '71, but if you give it an effort, you will find out, i did not call anyone that. because i am a Muslim. A Muslim should cry out "hinduloving dalal" to another Muslim?! I mean have you ever read a hadith where our dear prophet (sallallahu alaihi wassalam) called the kafirs kafir, when directly addressing them???!!! He called out nouns like "brother". I can go on forever and give you Islam101 lecture here but then that's not the point.

Of course there is personal bad memory regarding Pakistan army activity and razakar's unislamic activities from 71, in almost every Bangladeshis' mind who lived through that time. As a Muslim brother,let me tell you something, it might sound as sweet as honey, when Al Zakir shines Pakistanis with his unblievable oiling, but he is no where near the reality that exists among the Bangladeshis. "...Pakistan i say again"-that's nationalism. Problem with Bengali natonalism? Islam should come before Bengali nationaism, I believe that. But did Pakistanis believe in that kind of theme?? No they did not.

Well what about all the Mukti Munafiks who raped and killed Bihari and West Pakistani Women and Children?
I have never heard of any voice been raised by nationalist Bengalis against the atrocities committed by Mukti force against the Behari people.
And what about the unislamic activities of Mukti force, or all of them were saints.
When you say “Al-Zakir shines Pakistan with unbelievable oiling” to me, are you doing any good to strengthen relationship between Pak and Bad.
I think between the lines you are giving the message that BD people hates Pak like nothing, if it is so then I think people like Al-Zakir are the real hope as they still believe in the Islamic brotherhood which Momen’s like you can never understand.
You also seem to have many concerns about this forum, then why you are posting your comments here?
I think it is very difficult for a Good Muslim like you to swallow the fact that there are still many Bengalis who are not coherent with the ideology of Awami Leauge and still love Pakistan, yes Pakistan I say.

 

[aussie_1973]

Professional Pakistan army???
Were they really professional??? A lot of your commanders deserted their own soldiers and ran away in December 1971 leaving the soldiers to take care of themselves.
They did not defend, what you call motherland when it comes to real war. They were coward.

Thanks

May I ask why you are still sending all your gallant officers to Pakistan for training since from 70’s? Also can you give me a single example from history where any army fought and succeeded in the circumstances in which Pakistan Army fought during 1970 to 1971?
You still have to ask India to wipe out only 45000 regular Pakistan Army troops, Most of the battalions were without heavy weaponry and only one squadron of aircrafts +hostile population.

 

[third eye]

Why isn't this issue being given a decent burial ?

Every now & then this surfaces to fade away & return another day.

 

[gromell]

Few things to notice in these pictures, first the people who are welcoming Indian army are not in large numbers which shows that people were scared and shocked to see what happened. Second thing is that see how brutally people were killed and this cannot be done by a well trained professional army who was there to defend the motherland. In Bosnia there were mass graves but no such thing found in BD and thirdly what is the proof that the child was killed by army?

first of all, the picture only covers a certain angle, not 360 degree view! and so many people are in it! Bengali civilians welcoming Indian troops. Again, you need to go to Bangladesh and ask innocent people who were there in 71. People were scared of Pakistan Army. They welcomed Indian troops with hands spread. Hard for any Pakistani to digest this fact. At the beginning, December 16 and 17 I mean, Pakistan soldiers, some places did not obey their officers and held their positions. I posted in another thread or on this, Major(later Major General) K M Shafiullah of Mukti Bahini`s S force commander rode with a surrendered Pakistani officer in his Pakistan army jeep when they were coming towards Dhaka. The Pakistani troops fired even at that jeep until the Pakistani officer had to request them to stop firing!!! So yes civilians at the beginning were cautious of the situation. People were everywhere at the time of surrender. they were celebrating, praying to Allah and thanking Him for defeating Pak fauj. look at the picture below. it was just after victory and taken by Christian Simonpietri, a photojournalist who had clearance from Major Siddique Salek, Pakistan Army`s media control head in East Pakistan during 71. They are not making dua' for the sorrow of seceding from Pakistan. They are thanking Allah for actually making it happen.

All the big armies in 2nd world war were professionals. who did not commit any atrocity then??! everyone did. American army is so professional. They raped in Vietnam, they repeated it in Iraq. Russian Army tried to control rape of Chechens in 1st chechen war. they tried to be professional.but could not just control their own soldiers in 2nd chechen war. Muslim women were brutally raped and massacred. Sometimes under the command of Tatar Muslim Generals. Pakistan army is a professional army-that sentence is no where near enough to blindly justify its innocense from the atrocities it actually carried out.

In Bosnia there were rapes and there were mass graves. In Bangladesh the number of mass graves is so high that it can not be even compared with Bosnia in terms of any scale! Who told you there is no massgrave?!!! I knew Pakistanis were not allowed to learn the proper history in their country but I did not know they were so misguided by their politicians and history "writers". And people like Al Zakir does not help the cause of educating Pakistanis in proper history.

That picture was taken by a journalist who went to see what happened after Pakistan Army's crackdown in 25th of March. Don't tell me it was east bengal regiment or East Pakistan Rifles' work. Because they were stripped off their weapon before 25th of March and then Army attacked their mess when they were sleeping or getting ready to sleep on 25th of March night. There were student protester who were blocking the road and they were simply blown off by tank shells. Tikka Khan, Mitha Khan and Rao Forman Ali (with Yahya over their head) devised this heinous plan.

 

[gromell]

May I ask why you are still sending all your gallant officers to Pakistan for training since from 70’s? Also can you give me a single example from history where any army fought and succeeded in the circumstances in which Pakistan Army fought during 1970 to 1971?
You still have to ask India to wipe out only 45000 regular Pakistan Army troops, Most of the battalions were without heavy weaponry and only one squadron of aircrafts +hostile population.

At least you recognize the population was hostile towards Pakistan Army. Indians would never run over them if Bengalis were not hostile towards Pakistan Army, and that also for a good reason. all our officers dont go to Pakistan for training. Until the present CAS, Moin U Ahmed, all the previous ones had training from PMA, Abottabad or kakul wherever that is. So of course they wanted to send their young officers there for training. Bravery does not depend on where you pass out from. The Gurkhas are brave no matter where they are trained. You want single incident?? Why were Pakistani army lacking heavy weaponry? They had tanks, artillery, some of their best infantry divisions and companies from Baluch, Punjab regiment were brought from west pakistan in civilian disguise by PIA flights and deployed in Bangladesh. and Well, even the Pakistani Generals know that putting the army into that kind of position was their mistake and the belief that they will break Bengalis neck by military crackdown was nothing but rubbish. Beforing looking for condolence from Pakistan army's self created impossible situation, one has to take the responsibility of creating it. within 24 hours of Pakistan Army's "operation searchlight" the fate of Bangladesh was written and declared.

 

[gromell]

many of them don’t want accept BD as their country and don’t want to go back.

That's why they live there, not here.

When the tragedy of 71 happened we did not kill any Bengali here in fact they were allowed to return back with a copy of Quran to remind them that what relationship we have. We cannot kill our people this brutally. I am not denying that atrocities were committed but who do you think is responsible for killings of west Pakistanis there? If we open the file we have to fulfill all the aspects of justice.

For 8 thousand Pakistani soldiers in all front, 3 million Bengalis were massacred. I dont know how you are comparing...

My uncle was a civilian officer in Pakistan armed forces' finance deparment working in either Karachi or Peshawar in 71. They had a days old child and had to secretly migrate to first India then Bangladesh in a cargo truck with other Bengali officers because THERE WAS RETRIBUTION. The whole path, my aunt had to press her hand firmly on my cousins' mouth so that it would not cry!

 

[gromell]

You also seem to have many concerns about this forum, then why you are posting your comments here?
I think it is very difficult for a Good Muslim like you to swallow the fact that there are still many Bengalis who are not coherent with the ideology of Awami Leauge and still love Pakistan, yes Pakistan I say.

I dont have any concern. Those were all interogative sentences as you might notice and they were to answer your naive advice in the first place to me of not posting in this forum anymore.

It is hard for me to swallow the fact there is just one Al Zakir. Very True. You just don't understand do you?! what Al zakir does is try to spread, all bangladeshi who believe in Bangladesh and support Bangladesh are dalal and stuff and he goes around tells they are not muslim! lol that's what all he says in is post. Pakistanis are saints. Bengalis are this and that. Man if you really get satisfaction from his posts and that hollow satisfaction is all you need, then ...what can i say....enjoy!!

 

[dabong1]

Why isn't this issue being given a decent burial ?

Every now & then this surfaces to fade away & return another day.

Nobody has answered for there crimes during the war from either side.