Batches of 50 to 100 Uighur workers are being advertised on the Chinese internet

[ZeEa5KPul]

So shouldn't this be a time where journalist were invited and given untethered access to investigate and report the truth? When you try and censor this is the outcome, a potentially half cooked story but no real means to verify it.

Because any Western journalist is going to lie and distort the facts about China no matter how unrestricted the access he's given. Just about the only thing the West has binding it together at this point (even internally in the case of the US) is hatred and fear of China.

Would Pakistan allow independent Indian journalists to investigate the things they want to investigate? If not, why not? What would Pakistan expect as an outcome of such an "independent investigation"?

 

[Invicta]

You sure Sky news report everything the truth, with no spice up and fanciful addition by themselves? Some of the reply by the so called local interviewers, I will say, are too stupid. Sorry, cant help it.

No I am not saying that read my post again, I have simply asked if you claim Sky News are running a fake story why not allow media full untethered access, you will have multiple channels running the story and we can cross reference between different media outlets to check and verify, this is denied in China. I am just supposed to sit here and take your word for it knowing full well the level of governmental control that goes on in China.

 

[Polestar 2]

No I am not saying that read my post again, I have simply asked if you claim Sky News are running a fake story why not allow media full untethered access, you will have multiple channels running the story and we can cross reference between different media outlets to check and verify, this is denied in China. I am just supposed to sit here and take your word for it knowing full well the level of governmental control that goes on in China.

Read the post above yours.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

I'd say Afghans will also end India's superpower status, but India will never get there. Not 30 or 3000 years down the line.

See? I can make a snide joke like that about India. If I were to make a similarly snide comment about the taboo subjects on this forum, there'd be consequences.

There is no censorship in this forum...I being an Indian have been able to survive on this forum for well over 3+ years without any censorship....more importantly due to the tireless work of @waz @The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM ....we have really moved past the stage of using racist tirades to score a point against eachother...Last year the new guidelines were helpful and any racist epithet used against Chinese forumers will also attract instant ban....To be able to make your case in a civil manner only helps you

 

[313ghazi]

I dont know why you blame China for public imagine when other are just bend to spin every of our poverty reduced policy as genocide. You know the western media of so called exposing China genocide is never for the good of uighur but just a political attack to undermine China progress.

China is different from Japan or South Korea. China is a country big enough to change the hegemony created by US where no country can challenge US might.

You sure Sky news report everything the truth, with no spice up and fanciful addition by themselves? Some of the reply by the so called local interviewers, I will say, are too stupid. Sorry, cant help it.

I don't blame you for it, but for your own success you will have to fight this battle. This is an expertise of the Western world which China does not have yet in my opinion. These people spent 30-40 years demonising communists, when that finished they spent 30-40 years demonising Islam and Muslims. Now they control our resources they have turned their media weapon on China.

Our population is 50% illiterate - people will believe any story as long as it is told well. Even in literate countries this is the same. Critical thinking is a rare skill.

 

[denel]

No I am not saying that read my post again, I have simply asked if you claim Sky News are running a fake story why not allow media full untethered access, you will have multiple channels running the story and we can cross reference between different media outlets to check and verify, this is denied in China. I am just supposed to sit here and take your word for it knowing full well the level of governmental control that goes on in China.

Reports from China on Uighur issue is horrific. My friend spends 3 months there annually; he confirmed the situation is really bad for muslim. Before XI no issues; this really has taken strong hold in past 3 years and massive large scale cultural genocide.

 

[Invicta]

Because any Western journalist is going to lie and distort the facts about China no matter how unrestricted the access he's given. Just about the only thing the West has binding it together at this point (even internally in the case of the US) is hatred and fear of China.

Would Pakistan allow independent Indian journalists to investigate the things they want to investigate? If not, why not? What would Pakistan expect as an outcome of such an "independent investigation"?

No Pakistan doesn't allow Indian journalist but it allows western/other journalists to report. China allows no one to report on such matter.

Reports from China on Uighur issue is horrific. My friend spends 3 months there annually; he confirmed the situation is really bad for muslim. Before XI no issues; this really has taken strong hold in past 3 years and massive large scale cultural genocide.

Now put your statement, which is in contrast to what the Chinese members here would have you believe. I am more likely to believe that Sky are reporting the truth.

They (Chinese) are fighting a loosing battle, their control methods will be their downfall. There is no way anyone is able to verify information coming out of China, their own Chinese media is strictly controlled and they do not give others a whiff. So I say they have something to hide.

 

[yuba]

Here's another example of a lovely fellow:



@yuba this proves the point I'm making exactly. One lovely fellow's abuse went against the prevailing social diktat and he was censored. Another lovely fellow's abuse went with the diktat and he's applauded, so it has nothing to do with any written "rules." It has to do with enforcing the prevailing narrative by removing dissonant voices. What name do you have for that other than censorship?

Mate this is a forum it has nothing to do with government and this forums owners will not have their doors bashed down for going against the state. I have voiced opinoins that have gone against my homeland many times online against its prime minister even against the security forces but i have no fear when i land in delhi . I have also seen when the state turns and the fear im not saying you spend your lives living in fear in China but your views or faith can have the state turn on you and that not worth any development. To be told what is the news that is allowed and when you can practise your faith have government officials turn up at your house and make themselves at home to educate you and the fear those people would have never. I have lived that fear and i was a kid then and in India some are living it now and i feel for them south asia does have brutal crackdowns on militancy and innocents are stuck in the middle but we can raise our objections can you. This is a crackdown on people so they all praise the party no one else and we have our problems but we have political discussions go to worship our faith without a second thought can you. The worse thing is you not happy just doing it at home you threaten western universities goverments and citizens even sports teams and some do censor why such insecurity

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

No Pakistan doesn't allow Indian journalist but it allows western/other journalists to report.

Because India is Pakistan's enemy and the West isn't - India is invested in demonizing Pakistan and the West isn't (at least not in specific terms and not with the fervour India is).

China allows no one to report on such matter.

False. China has allowed representatives of countries it thinks will be objective to visit Xinjiang:

China Focus: Diplomats from 7 countries visit Xinjiang - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Witnessing the real Xinjiang, foreign diplomats debunk lies - Xinhua | English.news.cn

www.xinhuanet.com

In a gesture of generosity I don't approve of, China has even invited diplomats from the EU to visit:

China accuses European countries of ulterior motives, for refusing to visit Xinjiang

news.cgtn.com

Mate this is a forum it has nothing to do with government and this forums owners will not have their doors bashed down for going against the state.

Alright, if this is the hyper-specific definition of censorship you want to use, then you should know that that doesn't happen in China. Nobody in China gets their doors bashed down for "going against the state" unless they're engaged in terrorist activity. Therefore, you have no basis to claim that there's censorship in China.

 

[OIO]

Reports from China on Uighur issue is horrific. My friend spends 3 months there annually; he confirmed the situation is really bad for muslim. Before XI no issues; this really has taken strong hold in past 3 years and massive large scale cultural genocide.

But you will never talk about the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang before Xi came to power. In fact, there were terrorist attacks in 2014. I can tell you clearly that if it were not for the Communist Party to protect the Uyghurs, they would be very miserable.

I told you many times, don't always criticize others.

 

[denel]

But you will never talk about the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang before Xi came to power. In fact, there were terrorist attacks in 2014. I can tell you clearly that if it were not for the Communist Party to protect the Uyghurs, they would be very miserable.

I told you many times, don't always criticize others.

Those attacks did not happen over night. The systematic take over and driving people down lead to a reaction. You forget to understand your own policies. For every action, there is a reaction.

 

[OIO]

Those attacks did not happen over night. The systematic take over and driving people down lead to a reaction. You forget to understand your own policies. For every action, there is a reaction.

I don't know what our policies will lead to terrorist attacks, but I know what role the United States and Turkey play behind.

 

[yuba]

Because India is Pakistan's enemy and the West isn't - India is invested in demonizing Pakistan and the West isn't (at least not in specific terms and not with the fervour India is).

False. China has allowed representatives of countries it thinks will be objective to visit Xinjiang:

China Focus: Diplomats from 7 countries visit Xinjiang - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Witnessing the real Xinjiang, foreign diplomats debunk lies - Xinhua | English.news.cn

www.xinhuanet.com

In a gesture of generosity I don't approve of, China has even invited diplomats from the EU to visit:

China accuses European countries of ulterior motives, for refusing to visit Xinjiang

news.cgtn.com

Alright, if this is the hyper-specific definition of censorship you want to use, then you should know that that doesn't happen in China. Nobody in China gets their doors bashed down for "going against the state" unless they're engaged in terrorist activity. Therefore, you have no basis to claim that there's censorship in China.

Thing is plenty of news out there and terrorism is just the excuse needed i won't go arguing with you because you can't see any wrong wont believe any article because to you the CCP is always right. I have seen people here get into it and it the same merry-go-round fake news fake reports they terrorists then the west does it so can we the west did this so can we. Your country is so worried about its image we all suffering for the last year and a bit . i won't get into it with the Chinese never do it normally because you can't admit wrongs funny thing is that is not a sign of weakness but the opposite. Terrorism is something that has come in and now is a handy way to cut our freedoms in the west and get you out of jail . You cant see what you wrote at the end is funny to me stomp on people and brand all of them terrorists used everywhere even in my country. Even in the UK it was used in Northern Ireland and now to detain for extra time. But we can still raise a voice against wrongs you don't because then you will be classed as one and detained but never mind you developed and we not . Some of you act like chavs that win the lottery carry on mate

 

[Invicta]

Because India is Pakistan's enemy and the West isn't - India is invested in demonizing Pakistan and the West isn't (at least not in specific terms and not with the fervour India is).

False. China has allowed representatives of countries it thinks will be objective to visit Xinjiang:

China Focus: Diplomats from 7 countries visit Xinjiang - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Witnessing the real Xinjiang, foreign diplomats debunk lies - Xinhua | English.news.cn

www.xinhuanet.com

In a gesture of generosity I don't approve of, China has even invited diplomats from the EU to visit:

China accuses European countries of ulterior motives, for refusing to visit Xinjiang

news.cgtn.com

Alright, if this is the hyper-specific definition of censorship you want to use, then you should know that that doesn't happen in China. Nobody in China gets their doors bashed down for "going against the state" unless they're engaged in terrorist activity. Therefore, you have no basis to claim that there's censorship in China.

You are so full of it as well. If everything is fine and good why do they need to have guided tours of diplomats and journalists why can they not let journalists and diplomats report with impunity and let them say how good or bad China is doing.

While counter searching your articles I came across this report from NYT - I assume this is Western propaganda as well.

‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)

More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.

www.nytimes.com

 

[denel]

Thing is plenty of news out there and terrorism is just the excuse needed i won't go arguing with you because you can't see any wrong wont believe any article because to you the CCP is always right. I have seen people here get into it and it the same merry-go-round fake news fake reports they terrorists then the west does it so can we the west did this so can we. Your country is so worried about its image we all suffering for the last year and a bit . i won't get into it with the Chinese never do it normally because you can't admit wrongs funny thing is that is not a sign of weakness but the opposite. Terrorism is something that has come in and now is a handy way to cut our freedoms in the west and get you out of jail . You cant see what you wrote at the end is funny to me stomp on people and brand all of them terrorists used everywhere even in my country. Even in the UK it was used in Northern Ireland and now to detain for extra time. But we can still raise a voice against wrongs you don't because then you will be classed as one and detained but never mind you developed and we not . Some of you act like chavs that win the lottery carry on mate

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Our press is free. Can their press put such an image. This sums it up well.

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