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Batam: Singapore’s shipping rival less than 30km away

The only threat Singapore could get is the Thai Canal being contracted by a Chinese company. A lot of ships will welcome the shortcut.

Another floating conspiracy theory lol.

The rumors on construction of Kra Canal has already been flying around for hundreds of years.
It simply makes no economic sense.


The construction of a Kra canal poses several significant engineering challenges.

First, although the Malay Peninsula is only 26.5 miles wide at its narrowest point, (from the Kra River estuary to the Bay of Sawi), it is dominated by a long granite mountainous ridge, the Tenasserim Hills, that runs down the middle of the peninsula.

The ridge is more than 1,000 miles in length and varies in height from approximately 4,600 to 250 feet above sea level. Digging through the ridge has been the principal problem that has stymied historic attempts at digging a canal.

A system of locks could solve the problem of getting over the ridge. Locks, however, are usually between 10 and 20 times more expensive to build per running foot than normal excavation.

A system of locks sufficient to move ships over a 200+ foot ridge would require around six to 10 separate locks, three to five on each side of the ridge, and would still necessitate significant excavation. The highest vertical distance currently handled by locks is 370 feet at China's Three Gorges dam.


The current $30 billion to $50 billion construction estimate is based on a sea level canal and does not anticipate any lock construction. Any such construction would dramatically increase the expected cost.

Moreover, it is not clear that there is sufficient water available to permit the function of a lock system. Water used in the locks could be captured and recycled, but this would likely increase operating costs significantly.

The actual physical dimensions of the canal would depend on how large a ship it was designed to accommodate. A canal capable of handling a ULCC would need to be much larger than the 61-mile by 1,300-foot-wide and 82-foot-deep proposal that was first unveiled.

At a depth of 82 feet, including the dredging of the approaches to the canal, the entire waterway would be 120 miles long. At a depth of 164 feet, sufficient to handle ULCCs, the length of the canal becomes 250 miles.

Without a definitive route and design, it's impossible to determine exactly how much earth would need to be excavated to build a sea level canal. However, based on the current proposal and the likely possible routes, it has been estimated that upward of 1.3 billion cubic yards of earth would have to be moved.

To put this quantity in perspective, the initial construction of the Panama Canal required the excavation of about 260 million cubic yards. Subsequent expansion of the canal required an additional 200 million cubic yards to be removed.

The initial construction of the Suez Canal required excavating 100 million cubic yards. Its subsequent expansion, including the most recent phase that ended in 2016, required an additional 340 million cubic yards.

All told, the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal required a total of between 430 and 460 million cubic yards of earth to be removed. The proposed Kra canal would require approximately three times the amount of excavation. 1.3 billion cubic yards of earth is enough to bury the entire island of Manhattan under 60 feet of debris.

Okan Duru, a council member of the International Association of Maritime Economists, shared the same sentiment when reached for a comment via email. "Kra Canal project is not something like Suez Canal or Panama Canal. In case of Suez or Panama, there is only a short distance pathway needs to be redesigned for navigational purpose. In Panama Canal, there are some extra locks (pools) to lift and release ships to/from the lake between Atlantic and Pacific ocean. Kra Canal is located at the middle of a huge land area. There is no lake or river to make it somewhat feasible. Technically, Kra Canal is very extraordinary project. It is similar to Nicaragua Canal project. It needs a huge budget, extraordinary engineering and so long time to bring it to life. From various perspectives, it is still way behind the reality," Okan replied.

"Assuming this extraordinary case somehow happened and Kra Canal is operative, cost of building will require high canal fees to make this investment feasible. This kind of canal will probably not allow big ships. Kra Canal does not save a significant amount of distance for mainstream maritime traffic. It is around 2-3 days of navigation distance. Average cost of 2-3 days may be around e.g. 20,000-30,000 dollars. Canal fees at Suez Canal (much shorter, already mature, already paid back its initial investment, much simple engineering) is around 200,000 dollars per ship," he explained.

He added that "even some Dry Bulk Carriers navigating from North America to Southeast Asia or East Asia may prefer the route through Cape of Good Hope since it is much costly to pass Suez Canal."

https://theaseanpost.com/article/thai-ambassador-kra-canal-no-go

PANAMA CITY, Nov 19 (Reuters) - The wait time to pass through the Panama Canal has shortened to four days, down from more than 10 days last month, the authority that runs the waterway said on Thursday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/panamacanal-backlog-idUSL1N13E31J20151119

With ships doubling in size every decade, what should be the width and depth of the canal? How many locks the canal require? Ships are willing to wait and queue for days to use the Suez and Panama Canal because they can skip an entire continent. Will they be willing to do the same for the Kra Canal, which bypasses only the Malay peninsula?

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From the below chart, it is clear that it will be difficult to replacement Singapore port's roles.

For Batam to grab a significant amount of Singapore port cargo, it has to be as efficient as PSA. However, to be as efficient as PSA, many factors have to be put right. Infrastructure, power supply, human resource training, work culture, government red tapes etc. need to be addressed. So, it is extremely hard to replace Singapore port by Batam.

For shippers, every hour counts, the less time their ship stay in a port, the more costs they saved. Thus, automation, efficiency, work culture and red tapes are heavily weighted.

 
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Another floating conspiracy theory lol.

The rumors on construction of Kra Canal has already been flying around for hundreds of years.
It simply makes no economic sense.






https://theaseanpost.com/article/thai-ambassador-kra-canal-no-go



https://www.reuters.com/article/panamacanal-backlog-idUSL1N13E31J20151119

With ships doubling in size every decade, what should be the width and depth of the canal? How many locks the canal require? Ships are willing to wait and queue for days to use the Suez and Panama Canal because they can skip an entire continent. Will they be willing to do the same for the Kra Canal, which bypasses only the Malay peninsula?

ParallelNearCapybara.gif


WP-EGYPT_SUEZ_CANAL-BC.jpg
No pirates if use the Thai canal instead of the Malacca straits.
 
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From the below chart, it is clear that it will be difficult to replacement Singapore port's roles.

For Batam to grab a significant amount of Singapore port cargo, it has to be as efficient as PSA. However, to be as efficient as PSA, many factors have to be put right. Infrastructure, power supply, human resource training, work culture, government red tapes etc. need to be addressed. So, it is extremely hard to replace Singapore port by Batam.

For shippers, every hour counts, the less time their ship stay in a port, the more costs they saved. Thus, automation, efficiency, work culture and red tapes are heavily weighted.

i thought after years of being supa powa, Hindu can at least have one in the top 10.
 
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Are you saying piracy doesn't exist in the Malacca straits ?

You mean there won't be any terrorist or pirate attacks in South Thailand, a region filled with Islam separatists? It's in fact one of the reasons why the Thais aren't so enthusiastic about the project.

Sansern’s euphemistic mention of “other problems” and his statement to Southern Thais in particular could be a reference to the separatist movement in Southern Thailand.

Although the number of violent incidents has decreased in recent years, there was a recent bomb attack in a market in the Southern province of Yalaon Jan. 22, 2018.

A large scale infrastructure project like the Kra Canal could be a high-priority target for a separatist attack. And even if it is completed, it would split the country in two and physically separate the troubled Southern provinces from the rest of Thailand.

And piracy is a major factor in shipping in the Straits of Malacca? You build a canal which is more complicated than the Suez/Panama to combat piracy? It's such a major factor that ships are willing to pay for the time and operating costs?

You have no sense of proportion.
 
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You mean there won't be any terrorist or pirate attacks in South Thailand, a region filled with Islam separatists? It's in fact one of the reasons why the Thais aren't so enthusiastic about the project.



And piracy is a major factor in shipping in the Straits of Malacca? You build a canal which is more complicated than the Suez/Panama to combat piracy? It's such a major factor that ships are willing to pay for the time and operating costs?

You have no sense of proportion.
Chinese expertise can help Thailand deal with that issue.
 
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Feel sorry for Singapore. There will be win-win in some cases, but regarding to entrepot trade, it's all about competition.

Business is business. The thing Singapore can do is industry structure upgrade, very challenging.
Too much hype. I don’t see any country that can challenge Singapore.
 
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Another floating conspiracy theory lol.

The rumors on construction of Kra Canal has already been flying around for hundreds of years.
It simply makes no economic sense.






https://theaseanpost.com/article/thai-ambassador-kra-canal-no-go



https://www.reuters.com/article/panamacanal-backlog-idUSL1N13E31J20151119

With ships doubling in size every decade, what should be the width and depth of the canal? How many locks the canal require? Ships are willing to wait and queue for days to use the Suez and Panama Canal because they can skip an entire continent. Will they be willing to do the same for the Kra Canal, which bypasses only the Malay peninsula?

ParallelNearCapybara.gif


WP-EGYPT_SUEZ_CANAL-BC.jpg
The Kra canal makes no economic sense. But it makes sense politically & military for china to have the canal.

While the trades benefits are negligible. China can send a fleet to the indian ocean much faster than using the usual routes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-naval-power-in-indian-ocean-5507121.html/amp
 
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Stop being sarcastic. These separatist will be place in education camps once the Thais give the go ahead.

Sarcasm? You're the one giving me one liner with no substance or sense of reality. Piracy attacks the reason for Kra Canal? China giving the Thai government expertise to put their separatist in education camps? Really? Give me a break.
 
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The Kra canal makes no economic sense. But it makes sense politically & military for china to have the canal.

While the trades benefits are negligible. China can send a fleet to the indian ocean much faster than using the usual routes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-naval-power-in-indian-ocean-5507121.html/amp

On the original point, if it makes no economic sense then it poses little economic threat to Singapore.

If you're talking about politically, well... Ultimately, the sovereignty belongs to Thailand no matter whose money is used to build it. Can China be sure that the Thais will side China and allow military ships to pass through in times of conflict? Can they be sure the Thais don't side with the US?
It will be a source of leverage for the Thais and China will have to continue giving goodies to them, with no guarantee that the Thais will side them.
If the Thais disallow military ships to pass through during conflict, what can China do to them?

On the other hand, the Straits of Malacca is a free and international passageway. Stopping of any ships is considered an act of war.
 
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On the original point, if it makes no economic sense then it poses little economic threat to Singapore.

If you're talking about politically, well... Ultimately, the sovereignty belongs to Thailand no matter whose money is used to build it. Can China be sure that the Thais will side China and allow military ships to pass through in times of conflict? Can they be sure the Thais don't side with the US?
It will be a source of leverage for the Thais and China will have to continue giving goodies to them, with no guarantee that the Thais will side them.
If the Thais disallow military ships to pass through during conflict, what can China do to them?

On the other hand, the Straits of Malacca is a free and international passageway. Stopping of any ships is considered an act of war.
Just look at what the US did to Noriega when he try to block the US from using the panama canal.

Or egypt when their government try to nationalize the suez.

The host country can do jack shit, but this is under the assumption that a canal has already been built.
 
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