Barcelona to ban Islamic veils in some public spaces

[Ahmad]

Barcelona lost foot ball match to Swiss....

Spain, not barcelona. but what does this news has anthing to do with football?

 

[desiman]

It was totally anti Islamic. Something which is very common from different anti Islamic propagandists also claim. I don't know whether you read Quran or not. At least I never read that Quran says we should distort our religion to please others or as the world has changed. As far world is concerned most of the "muslims" won't accept your religion distortion theory. Or else one would also claim to make **** acceptable in Islam since it is very famous in today's world. And nothing is outdated in religion. It is us who are more prone to sins and aren't willing to leave them. We shouldn't make religion a scapegoat since we can't act upon it. If being liberal means distorting and changing religion then I am an extremist and billions of Muslims are also the same.

Your perception about religion is totally anti Islamic. Something which we often hear from Anti Islamic propagandists. Very strange to hear anything like this from an Indian "Muslim"

I never claim Islam is Pakistan's property.

To start off neither you or me have the authority to say what’s Islamic and what’s not. Let Allah decide that. You are not getting the whole point and just politicizing the issue. The point is to grow as a person yourself and merge religion with the changing times. This is my opinion so you don’t have to follow it but you also have no right to say that I am wrong as you are not the authority on Islam. Such good muslim vs bad muslim thinking is what has got us into trouble the fires place. Being modern and move in pace with time does not mean watching **** and believe me that is done regardless of whether you are a staunch muslim or not. Being modern has nothing to do with committing a sin so don’t relate these subjects. There are enough staunch muslims who are also sinners, believing in god isn’t the only thing that makes you a good person. My perception of Islam is of a religion that has historically encouraged the arts and has allowed different religions and thinking to prosper underneath it. Its sad to see people distorting the liberal and calm image of Islam and making it look like a religion bent on not changing. Islam has changed a lot since its inception, and as a great person said, “ The only thing that is constant is change”. If you don’t agree with me, argue back with good points, calling someone anti-Islamic and not a good muslim is a very personal attack and I do not appreciate it.

 

[BATMAN]

Spain, not barcelona. but what does this news has anthing to do with football?

breaking news.... sorry for the interuption in your programme.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

First of all, there was nothing anti Islamic about that post, its your attitude that is to rigid. I have read the Quran many times and follow Islam as closely as possible but that does not mean that I close my eyes to newer ideas. Life is all about change and adjusting yourself to time and by changing I don’t mean that change the religion but change your attitude. The world is one big country now and practices that are outdated must be phased out to allow for the newer generation to prosper and move on. Materialism has nothing to do with it. When it comes to being an Indian I can proudly say that Indian Muslims are among the most liberal in the world and know how to follow their religion but still keep pace with the 21st century. Islam isn’t Pakistan’s property, India has more Muslims and Indian Muslims have done India very proud. Its not about updating the religion but updating your attitude and moving ahead with time. Having a doubt that moving ahead with time will weaken your belief in the Quran and Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is your own issue, others don’t see it that way.

Desiman Bhai.................... I was not aware you area muslim, alhamdullilah. pls keep inmind that our test is really about he "new" ideas. I hope you understand.
It is one thing that due to our own weaknesses ( In His words He created us weak) we may not follow some or all of what has been ordained and it is another thing to out right says that because the world has changed, "Old" laws are not applicable.
It is easy for him to forgive us for things we may have done due to our weakness but i am not sure He will be very forgiving if we defy or try to manupulate what is required.

Lastly, when we do get judged, it will be based on the same " old" & " dated" laws. I ll give you the last word...............

 

[desiman]

Desiman Bhai.................... I was not aware you area muslim, alhamdullilah. pls keep inmind that our test is really about he "new" ideas. I hope you understand.
It is one thing that due to our own weaknesses ( In His words He created us weak) we may not follow some or all of what has been ordained and it is another thing to out right says that because the world has changed, "Old" laws are not applicable.
It is easy for him to forgive us for things we may have done due to our weakness but i am not sure He will be very forgiving if we defy or try to manupulate what is required.

Lastly, when we do get judged, it will be based on the same " old" & " dated" laws. I ll give you the last word...............

bhaijan religion and time are a mirror to each other, we will all get judged when the times comes and may Allah grant all our wishes. My point is to keep our eyes and hearts open, spread the love of Islam into the world but at the same time be open enough to take in new ideas. When our time comes Allah will judge us on our actions and what we did to other people and not by whether we followed Islam and forgot everything else. Balance is key to life.

 

[Aeon]

This is a good decision and I support it. Looks like it will be Europe or other western countries that will tad bit forcefully have to bring certain Muslims into the modern age because many of them surely won't ever bother doing it themselves. If people want to dress modestly then there are ways of achieving that without having to cover themselves head to toe in black garb. It looks outright inhuman. Get with the times people. We are no longer living in the medieval age in the middle of a desert. And this ban is restricted to public places where identification is necessary.

Also, when western women go to Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, don't they have to observe the dress custom there? They are not allowed to walk half naked in the streets so in the end it is only fair if Muslim women in western countries are required to find ways of being modest without wearing a burka.

 

[Ahmad]

i believe burqa is not islamic anyways.

 

[desiman]

i believe burqa is not islamic anyways.

its not, its mentioned in a Hadith and not in the Quran.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

bhaijan religion and time are a mirror to each other, we will all get judged when the times comes and may Allah grant all our wishes. My point is to keep our eyes and hearts open, spread the love of Islam into the world but at the same time be open enough to take in new ideas. When our time comes Allah will judge us on our actions and what we did to other people and not by whether we followed Islam and forgot everything else. Balance is key to life.

I see the futility in this response and even a reply but must state that you are grave mistaken about a lot of things. You mention about "life" but what about the eternal life? lastly , we will be judged by whetehr or not we followed Islam. Our good actions are meaningless if we are lacking islam. it is for this reason many non muslims will be doomed due to their non belief though they may have done good deeds. perhaps you will get the chance to quiz God for the errors He has committed in writing the books & laws!
In the meantime, eat , drink & be merry!

 

[Areesh]

To start off neither you or me have the authority to say what’s Islamic and what’s not. Let Allah decide that. You are not getting the whole point and just politicizing the issue. The point is to grow as a person yourself and merge religion with the changing times. This is my opinion so you don’t have to follow it but you also have no right to say that I am wrong as you are not the authority on Islam. Such good muslim vs bad muslim thinking is what has got us into trouble the fires place. Being modern and move in pace with time does not mean watching **** and believe me that is done regardless of whether you are a staunch muslim or not. Being modern has nothing to do with committing a sin so don’t relate these subjects. There are enough staunch muslims who are also sinners, believing in god isn’t the only thing that makes you a good person. My perception of Islam is of a religion that has historically encouraged the arts and has allowed different religions and thinking to prosper underneath it. Its sad to see people distorting the liberal and calm image of Islam and making it look like a religion bent on not changing. Islam has changed a lot since its inception, and as a great person said, “ The only thing that is constant is change”. If you don’t agree with me, argue back with good points, calling someone anti-Islamic and not a good muslim is a very personal attack and I do not appreciate it.

I never claimed that I am an authority over Islam. I believe no one is authority except Prohet(SAW) himself. But it is the faith of Muslims all over the world that Islam is the religion that has been made humanity till the arrival of day of judgment. We don't believe in any kind of changes in Islam no matter how the rest of the world behaves. Religions aren't affected with the world. It is the religion who affect the world. Anyways this religion updating dogma has already damaged religions like Christianity a lot. I don't want to see the same with Islam. I am not calling you a bad muslim just telling you that your perception about religions is too injurious. **** example wasn't just for sin but also to tell you that based on your theory many might claim in the future that to produce and watching **** should be made acceptable in Islam since it is a billion dolor industry today. I am not against being liberal but what exactly is leiberal. According to me wearing buqa or scarf is liberal since she is following the religion she believes. For many wearing bikini might be liberal. And for some wearing nothing might be the real liberalism. I just want to remain stick that liberalism that Allah and His Prophet(SAW) taught us. Islam is the same since it's inception. The fundamental believes are the same. And to a greater the practices too are the same. I don't want to call someone bad muslim or anti Islamic but your religion distortion theory isn't acceptable for me and for most of the muslims. It is not about whether relgious individuals perform sins or not. It is about changes in the religion are unacceptable. We can't distort our religion to give someone a supposed "better" image.

 

[Areesh]

i believe burqa is not islamic anyways.

Really.

The Holy Quran:

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful. Surah Al Nur Verse 31.

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful. Surah Al Ahzab Verse 59.

Authentic Ahadeeth:


Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith # 282
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Really.

The Holy Quran:

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful. Surah Al Nur Verse 31.

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful. Surah Al Ahzab Verse 59.

Authentic Ahadeeth:


Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith # 282
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.

I thought someone here thought it was not in the Quran........................

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

I would also like to point out something else here esp. for the "*******" here.
The story in Quran about Jews being turned into apes & pigs for assuming too much & trying to break the Sabbath.( a group of Jews actually) is really about 3 types pf people and eventual consequences.

The lesson was not that jews were all wicked but regarding those who disobeyed. They were divided into 3 groups in teh story.
1 the sabbath breakers
2 their fellow jews who warned them not to play twister with God &
3 their fellow jews who said to the group # 2 that let them be.

As a result group A & B were meted out punishment. So you see when you become complacent, it is as if you are also the perpetrator.

BTW, I am not some mullah. I have a long way to go in becoming a better Muslim but I realize what I am lacking . I make no excuses!

 

[rubyjackass]

I say do it!! Save basic Islam from the yahoo versions.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Turkey has a similar law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7236128.stm