'Banned' JuD thrives in Pakistan

[RescueRanger]

No. I cut it sold it for ancient Chinese medicine.

lol

 

[doppelganger]

Why does it matter to provide the Pakistanis an alteranate view?

Let them think of BJP as Nazi. How does it matter to us? They think Osama was a holy warrior, they think the world has some conspiracy against them.

In the end we will keep prospering and bettering while they will keep searching to give examples to show how "India is no better"

It does not matter in the bigger whole.

Only there are nice guys amongst them who you want to at least try and help understand. After that its up to them .....

 

[syedali73]

Like Nazis, BJP kills Muslims in name of nationalism: Digvijay
TNN | Dec 20, 2010, 01.03AM IST

NEW DELHI: Making a strong plea for stopping RSS on Sunday, AICC general secretary Digvijay Singh accused BJP of killing Muslims in the name of nationalism like Nazis.

Digvijay Singh said RSS's "hatred" for Muslims was comparable to that of the Nazis towards Jews. "Why is it that all Hindus found involved in terror activities are members of RSS?" he added.

Taking cue, Congress on Sunday urged the government to investigate the links between terrorists and RSS affiliates, embracing Rahul Gandhi's hardline posture on Sangh Parivar whose senior cadre have allegedly been found involved in explosions at Muslim religious places.

Like Nazis, BJP kills Muslims in name of nationalism: Digvijay - The Times of India

 

[I.R.A]

Don't you get it?

You have been talking to a RSS kid for weeks now.

Did you see the horns on top pf my head?

Forget your documentaries. I am giving you what I actually grew up with, most Sundays, and most summer vacations.

How would I see the horns I am sick and tired of this Sunny leone's avatar of yours, change it man, Priyanka?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@doppelganger @SarthakGanguly

Just educate me this bit, people who come up with ideas like "Ghar Wapsi", "Idols in Mosques" and "Hindus should have more children", "Will make everybody Hindu by 2021" do go through this training right?

'Idols in Mosques' is a lie. He never said that. Read the full content. You will know what our media is capable of.
'Ghar Wapsi' is a new term. The real term is Shuddhi. Just as people convert to any religion, they can to Hinduism/Sikhism/Buddhism etc as well. We are also human beings after all, and our faiths are also...well - faiths. We hardly seek converts. There is a movement to undo the injustice and bring those who left the Hindu/Sikh/Boudh fold...back within it.

I did not follow the 'Make everyone Hindu by 2021' thing, because the guy was NOT from the RSS. May be someone else can help.

 

[doppelganger]

@doppelganger @SarthakGanguly

Just educate me this bit, people who come up with ideas like "Ghar Wapsi", "Idols in Mosques" and "Hindus should have more children", "Will make everybody Hindu by 2021" do go through this training right?

Think of the RSS as this huge parent organization. A social national movement. I don't know if you have something similar in Pakistan. Cubs and Boy Scouts of the West (with strong Christian leanings). Yes even Hitler's youth.

There are many many levels to climb through before you get to the top. The kids and youth mainly go through the lectures, songs, PT, lathi training and social service.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Like Nazis, BJP kills Muslims in name of nationalism: Digvijay
TNN | Dec 20, 2010, 01.03AM IST

NEW DELHI: Making a strong plea for stopping RSS on Sunday, AICC general secretary Digvijay Singh accused BJP of killing Muslims in the name of nationalism like Nazis.

Digvijay Singh said RSS's "hatred" for Muslims was comparable to that of the Nazis towards Jews. "Why is it that all Hindus found involved in terror activities are members of RSS?" he added.

Taking cue, Congress on Sunday urged the government to investigate the links between terrorists and RSS affiliates, embracing Rahul Gandhi's hardline posture on Sangh Parivar whose senior cadre have allegedly been found involved in explosions at Muslim religious places.

Like Nazis, BJP kills Muslims in name of nationalism: Digvijay - The Times of India

LOL. You are the guy who reported a post of mine when I wished you (all) Happy Diwali. Mr. Tolerant.

 

[doppelganger]

@Imran Rashid

The RSS salute is similar to (don't know if its a derivative off or purely unrelated and coincidental) the ZOGIST salute from the monarchists of Albania.

Also seen in Mexico.

Zogist salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ind4Ever]

Hafiz Mohammad Saeed. PHOTO: AFP

MURIDKE: It is listed as a terror outfit by the UN and its chief has a $10 million US government bounty against him, but Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) operates freely across country, testing Islamabad’s new resolve to tackle militancy.

The leadership of Pakistan vowed to end its tolerance of so-called “good” militants after a Taliban massacre at a school in Peshawar in December that killed 153 people, the worst terror attack in the country’s history.

The government’s list of 60 or so banned organisations features the country’s Taliban and secessionist rebels from Balochistan province, but the state has long shied away from action against groups fighting abroad in India or Afghanistan.

International powers including the US and India consider JuD to be no more than a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the militant group blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left 166 people dead.

But JuD denies any link to violence, and within Pakistan the organisation enjoys a high degree of popularity for the work of its charitable arm, particularly after natural disasters.

Following a UN Security Council resolution, the leadership of Pakistan said it had frozen the group’s assets after the Mumbai attacks – an undertaking it has repeated in recent weeks.

But at JuD’s headquarters, a sprawling high-security complex nestled among rice fields in the town of Muridke, north of Lahore, little seems to have changed.

Doctor Akhtar Hussain, a wizened old man with a long grey beard and a broad smile, heads the al Aziz Hospital in the heart of the complex which also houses schools where boys and girls study both JuD and official government textbooks.

Like the Palestinian group Hamas and Hezbollah of Lebanon, JuD has set up a network of health and education facilities across Pakistan, including five hospitals, 200 dispensaries, ambulance services and 250 schools.

When AFP visited al Aziz hospital, elderly women were lining up in a white corridor for eye tests.

“Laser eye surgery is free,” said Hussain. Further ahead, two dentists worked their way through their daily quota of 40 patients each.

The cost of treatment for a root canal is Rs50.

“It is a fraction of the price. In a private hospital I would pay at least 1,000 rupees,” said patient Rana Khaliqur Rehman.

After an earthquake or floods, JuD’s relief wing, the Falah-e-Insaniyat Foundation (FIF), is often among the first aid groups on the ground.

JuD leader Hafiz Saeed – on whom the US has placed a $10 million reward for information leading to his capture – is often seen in the front line handing out food.

Despite the bounty, he also leads a high-profile public life and regularly delivers fiery anti-India speeches. He led thousands of supporters in a rally in Lahore last Thursday to mark Kashmir Day, under the eye of a heavy police contingent outside the city’s high court.

“The politicians don’t understand our problems, but the Jamaat does and helps us,” said Saddam Sohail, a 25-year-old builder who is hostile towards neighbouring India, like most JuD followers.

“When the US says JuD are terrorists, it makes my blood boil,” added Ghulam Sarwar, a 55-year-old farmer.

Founded in the 1980s to fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan, LeT reinvented itself in the 1990s for “jihad” in Kashmir, the Himalayan territory that India and Pakistan control in part but claim in full and have fought two wars over.

Today, once again, the LeT is sending fighters to Afghanistan’s eastern Nuristan province, according to Afghan officials cited in a UN report.

LeT recruits most of its members from Punjab, where the level of education is higher than the national average, according to a study on the lives of deceased fighters published by the West Point military academy.

For Arif Jamal, author of a recent study on JuD, the popularity of the outfit rests on its stance on Kashmir and its charitable work, two elements that distinguish it from the rest of the main militant groups of Pakistan.

Its charitable wing is like a “shield” which protects JuD, Jamal told AFP.

“They have fundraised more through charity than other means and they recruited more people through charity than other means,” he said.

JuD’s position on the Kashmir conflict – regarded even by many moderate citizens as a just fight against Indian oppression – means they are not considered as a terrorist group, Jamal said.

Even politicians privately opposed to the organisation will never publicly speak out against it.

“Unless JuD spins out of their control, I don’t think they will ever target it, and that I don’t see happening in the near future,” Jamal said.
‘Banned’ JuD thrives in Pakistan – The Express Tribune

Best person to be Prime Minister of Pakistan . He will help lots of people

This is what they are taught

Great Going. They all will be back bone of Pakistan in the future .

 

[RAMPAGE]

As usual, FiF responded imediately to APS attack provided services.

Allah Hafiz saab ko himmat dai.

 

[Sine Nomine]

آگے سے شرم بھی نہیں آتی۔

is kay liye is ka hona zarori hai..

 

[prashantazazel]

as an atheist guy who attended RSS for 2-3 years some years back, I would like to state some facts about the organization:

they run branches/shakhas where they work on improving physical fitness and nationalistic pride among kids/ youth.
lathi/ stick fight training is taught as a self defense tool, and you will be shouted at if you ever tried to hurt anyone randomly with the stick.

the word Muslim was never mentioned, not even once, in the 2-3 years I was there.

they have a separate Muslim wing- which has membership in millions.
they have mass meetings, where the tone is secular to hindu nationalistic.

the members are largely secular, and do not care about hindutva much. It is considered as a place to learn discipline and play games.
I have a small dislike for the pro hindutva elements in some of the oldies. Young Hindus are largely secular / atheistic.

 

[WAR-rior]

Yes they mostly teach the course which is taught in all government and private schools of Pakistan which offer matriculation and also Quran and Sunnah. They are doing a brilliant job and we give dam about what Indians think or there pets Express Tribune has to say.

Why dint I see mention of UN and America in ur post?

In other countries people also dont elect a 'terrorist' as PM unlike our neighbour



I never heard of it before anyway I do NOT want to have this in my province.

Terrorist? Now Pakistanis can call any random guy a terrorist but that doesnt make him one.

Now for u a world accepted leader is a terrorist and a World designated terrorist is a saint.

Then u say why world laugh at us, why they insult us, why our closest tallest deepest of friends dont stand by us when required.

Have a little bit of logic plz.

Comedy is, Pakistanis call Modi terrorist coz in his regime there was a brutal Hindu-Muslim clash that too some 13 years ago. They hide like rats when asked why wasnt there any atrocity on muslims in Gujarat from 2002-2014 during Modi's regime whereas Muslims were targeted in small riots in UP and Bihar, ruled by so called Secularists.

I am actually waiting for a logical reply by a Pakistani on this issue till date.

This is what they are taught

Damn. We need Iron walls on our western borders. Future of our western region is really in danger.

 

[SrNair]

Yes they mostly teach the course which is taught in all government and private schools of Pakistan which offer matriculation and also Quran and Sunnah. They are doing a brilliant job and we give dam about what Indians think or there pets Express Tribune has to say.

Very Good Zarvan bhai.We also appreciate his efforts.He is is giving a good direction to the future of Pakistan

 

[Nilesh Singh]

Well, at-least I am not a die-hard fan of extremism and JuD is perhaps not much different than BJP to put things into perspective. If BJP can come into power and Gujarat massacre -fame could have his thumb on nuclear switch, JuD could also thrive in Pakistan.

wow!!!! comment of the century