Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

[bluesky]

You are kidding right ? You will write something and I have to search it to see? Post authentic still or video photograph link so that everyone can see . But post from authentic and believable sources , not some hodgepodge edited stuff .

Do you really fuking believe that Juboleage or BCL or other political gundas can harm military ? Are you losing your mind ?

Do you think I am a part of photo museum? If you do not believe my words then find the truth by yourself.

By the way, why your Hazrat Hasina had cancelled her planned visit to Pilkhana BDR celebration? She cancelled it on the previous night. Do you need also a photograph to understand this small thing?

 

[VikingRaider]

Do you think I am a part of photo museum? If you do not believe my words then find the truth by yourself.

Lol. You lost the way , isn't it ? You claim your accusation to be true , so it's your duty to proof something that is your claim only . If I claim that one day someone climbed a high rise building and fall , but suddenly we find that his hands turned into wings and he was saved and remained unharmed , will you believe me ? Surely not . You will sell banana and I have to find that if it's good quality or bad quality ? You already falsified your own rant !

By the way, why your Hazrat Hasina had cancelled her planned visit to Pilkhana BDR celebration? She cancelled it on the previous night.

Well I can not remember if she cancelled her planned visit or not , but if there was any planned visit and she cancelled it , that proves nothing actually . You are a man who try to win every argument and that's the reason you are ranting .

 

[Homo Sapiens]

It's quite obvious Myanmar is preparing for a war with Bangladesh. Consider their recent purchases like SY 400; ballistic missiles are outright offensive weapons. There are few factors which would influence their plan on going for a war.

1. How their internal peace process with the rebels pans out.
2. The state of the popularity of military leaders within the country.

If the peace process falls apart or if the military leaders began to lose their popularity based on economic or other conditions of the country, it's highly likely that Myanmar will go for a war against Bangladesh to divert the attention.

This is sumthing that I’m very very worried about. These is a very likely scenario. The first thing the Myanmar military cabal will do is start a fight with BD in case Of a decline in Sentiment. I hope BD are prepared for it and I believe they are. I think Bangladesh needs a strong leadership and Hasina despite the means have done a better job of leading this country than any of her predecessors. And Bangladesh needs to head on this direction. But yeah our military leadership needs to be more aware of the threat from Myanmar. And they have modernised their military to a degree as I understand. We need to show more anticipation for this war scenario and invest on our military and make aware the danger that Myanmar possess to us. In case of war though, I believe they will make quick initial gains. But we will be able to mobilise a huge fighting force and totally overwhelm them. And also That’s why i don’t know who BD should align with, India or China keeping this scenario in mind. BD will need India to help them against Myanmar . Is there any other way?

If Myanmar ever tries to fight BD, BD must make sure that it can push in the Rohingyas into Rakhine state at any cost. If the war even results in a stalemate then good luck repatriating the Rohingyas.

Burmese military junta is a coward. A military which is known for atrocity against defenceless civilian population have very low morale to fight a conventional war with worthy opponent. There is a reason, Burmese military is facing the world's longest running and largest number of insurgency in the world. They are in conflict for 72 years. Given the character of the Bamar military junta and a large percentage of people there, these insurgencies will continue easily for another 72 years or more.

In paper, Burmese army have twice the man power of Bangladesh( 400k vs 200k respectively). But much this 400k army of Burma is engaged in suppressing dozens of ethnic insurgency in Myanmar and thinly spread across Myanmar.

If you look at this map, you will understand, Myanmar does not have the luxury of concentrating large number of troops and weapons in Bangladesh border, at least not on a scale Bangladesh could. Myanmar is a country which is constantly fighting against itself.

Burmese common soldiers are very poorly paid. Burmese govt. defence budget(2.2 billion dollar) is not enough to properly maintain that a large number of personnel. Junta's main source of income, Yaba smuggling, Gemstone smuggling and gas looting provide a lot of money, but all of it pocketed by generals and senior military leadership, common soldiers do not see the face of this illicit money. Burmese soldier's pay is atrociously low, they often lack basic life saving equipments in the battlefield which is evident in their high casualties in fight against rebels. Many soldiers are forcefully recruited and poorly trained for an conventional war. They are the foot soldiers for fighting and dying against the ethnic rebels. Poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly gazetted and conscription based army means many of them may not highly motivated to serve the cause of Junta. This is very different from Bangladesh army, which is half the size of the Burmese in the number of personnel, but entirely voluntarily recruited, better trained and better paid and highly motivated, and most importantly, not fighting against it's own country.

For equipment part also, this discrepancy remain, much of their army equipment exist only in paper, how much of that are operational or can be field to fight a conventional war is in doubt. This is also true to large extent for their air force and naval equipment.

So, I am doubtful that Burmese junta will dare to go on a largescale offensive against Bangladesh. They may try to create some border nuisance like air space violation, taking advantage of their better Air Force. But I doubt they have any gut to fight Bangladesh on a conventional battle.

It is important that, we do not under-estimate our opponent. But it is also important that we do not give more credit to the opponent than they deserve. We need a right balance. Our intelligence(NSI, DGFI) need to be one of the best in the world.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Burmese military junta is a coward. A military which is known for atrocity against defenceless civilian population have very low morale to fight a conventional war with worthy opponent. There is a reason, Burmese military is facing the world's longest running and largest number of insurgency in the world. They are in conflict for 72 years. Given the character of the Bamar military junta and a large percentage of people there, these insurgencies will continue easily for another 72 years or more.

In paper, Burmese army have twice the man power of Bangladesh( 400k vs 200k respectively). But much this 400k army of Burma is engaged in suppressing dozens of ethnic insurgency in Myanmar and thinly spread across Myanmar.

If you look at this map, you will understand, Myanmar does not have the luxury of concentrating large number of troops and weapons in Bangladesh border, at least not on a scale Bangladesh could. Myanmar is a country which is constantly fighting against itself.

Burmese common soldiers are very poorly paid. Burmese govt. defence budget(2.2 billion dollar) is not enough to properly maintain that a large number of personnel. Junta's main source of income, Yaba smuggling, Gemstone smuggling and gas looting provide a lot of money, but all of it pocketed by generals and senior military leadership, common soldiers do not see the face of this illicit money. Burmese soldier's pay is atrociously low, they often lack basic life saving equipments in the battlefield which is evident in their high casualties in fight against rebels. Many soldiers are forcefully recruited and poorly trained for an conventional war. They are the foot soldiers for fighting and dying against the ethnic rebels. Poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly gazetted and conscription based army means many of them may not highly motivated to serve the cause of Junta. This is very different from Bangladesh army, which is half the size of the Burmese in the number of personnel, but entirely voluntarily recruited, better trained and better paid and highly motivated, and most importantly, not fighting against it's own country.

For equipment part also, this discrepancy remain, much of their army equipment exist only in paper, how much of that are operational or can be field to fight a conventional war is in doubt. This is also true to large extent for their air force and naval equipment.

So, I am doubtful that Burmese junta will dare to go on a largescale offensive against Bangladesh. They may try to create some border nuisance like air space violation, taking advantage of their better Air Force. But I doubt they have any gut to fight Bangladesh on a conventional battle.

It is important that, we do not under-estimate our opponent. But it is also important that we do not give more credit to the opponent than they deserve. We need a right balance. Our intelligence(NSI, DGFI) need to be one of the best in the world.

Burmese soldiers are poorly trained that I agree with you. Even Burmese members of this forum complains that Myanmar soldiers does not have adequate gears and protection. Also you can see pictures of Burmese soldiers in Google many of them are children and old men in their late 50s.

But I have doubt about the Burmese military equipment. Their air force is good no doubt. But what is ambiguous is their land force, naval force or missile force(if they have any). Myanmar armed forces is very isolated and the outside world know little about the equipment used by the Myanmar armed forces.

 

[Tom-tom]

There's reports that India is considering the su-57 from Russia they have dropped the mig 29 order.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

There's reports that India is considering the su-57 from Russia they have dropped the mig 29 order.

Ask this Indian defence section.

 

[Xerxes22]

Burmese military junta is a coward. A military which is known for atrocity against defenceless civilian population have very low morale to fight a conventional war with worthy opponent. There is a reason, Burmese military is facing the world's longest running and largest number of insurgency in the world. They are in conflict for 72 years. Given the character of the Bamar military junta and a large percentage of people there, these insurgencies will continue easily for another 72 years or more.

In paper, Burmese army have twice the man power of Bangladesh( 400k vs 200k respectively). But much this 400k army of Burma is engaged in suppressing dozens of ethnic insurgency in Myanmar and thinly spread across Myanmar.

If you look at this map, you will understand, Myanmar does not have the luxury of concentrating large number of troops and weapons in Bangladesh border, at least not on a scale Bangladesh could. Myanmar is a country which is constantly fighting against itself.

Burmese common soldiers are very poorly paid. Burmese govt. defence budget(2.2 billion dollar) is not enough to properly maintain that a large number of personnel. Junta's main source of income, Yaba smuggling, Gemstone smuggling and gas looting provide a lot of money, but all of it pocketed by generals and senior military leadership, common soldiers do not see the face of this illicit money. Burmese soldier's pay is atrociously low, they often lack basic life saving equipments in the battlefield which is evident in their high casualties in fight against rebels. Many soldiers are forcefully recruited and poorly trained for an conventional war. They are the foot soldiers for fighting and dying against the ethnic rebels. Poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly gazetted and conscription based army means many of them may not highly motivated to serve the cause of Junta. This is very different from Bangladesh army, which is half the size of the Burmese in the number of personnel, but entirely voluntarily recruited, better trained and better paid and highly motivated, and most importantly, not fighting against it's own country.

For equipment part also, this discrepancy remain, much of their army equipment exist only in paper, how much of that are operational or can be field to fight a conventional war is in doubt. This is also true to large extent for their air force and naval equipment.

So, I am doubtful that Burmese junta will dare to go on a largescale offensive against Bangladesh. They may try to create some border nuisance like air space violation, taking advantage of their better Air Force. But I doubt they have any gut to fight Bangladesh on a conventional battle.

It is important that, we do not under-estimate our opponent. But it is also important that we do not give more credit to the opponent than they deserve. We need a right balance. Our intelligence(NSI, DGFI) need to be one of the best in the world.

I understand all that. Even if they did muster an offensive force and did a blitzkrieg type of attack, I think the Bangladeshi counter attack wud force them back a long way in their own territory. But, and this is a problematic but. Their Airforce will Bomb Dhaka City heavily We don’t have any anti air defence systems to defend against it. And I don’t know if our interceptors wud be able to fight them off to gain air superiority and whoever initiates the war will attack the others airfields first and foremost. I hope we put Anti Air Defence in our agenda.

 

[Species]

Burmese military junta is a coward. A military which is known for atrocity against defenceless civilian population have very low morale to fight a conventional war with worthy opponent. There is a reason, Burmese military is facing the world's longest running and largest number of insurgency in the world. They are in conflict for 72 years. Given the character of the Bamar military junta and a large percentage of people there, these insurgencies will continue easily for another 72 years or more.

In paper, Burmese army have twice the man power of Bangladesh( 400k vs 200k respectively). But much this 400k army of Burma is engaged in suppressing dozens of ethnic insurgency in Myanmar and thinly spread across Myanmar.

If you look at this map, you will understand, Myanmar does not have the luxury of concentrating large number of troops and weapons in Bangladesh border, at least not on a scale Bangladesh could. Myanmar is a country which is constantly fighting against itself.

Burmese common soldiers are very poorly paid. Burmese govt. defence budget(2.2 billion dollar) is not enough to properly maintain that a large number of personnel. Junta's main source of income, Yaba smuggling, Gemstone smuggling and gas looting provide a lot of money, but all of it pocketed by generals and senior military leadership, common soldiers do not see the face of this illicit money. Burmese soldier's pay is atrociously low, they often lack basic life saving equipments in the battlefield which is evident in their high casualties in fight against rebels. Many soldiers are forcefully recruited and poorly trained for an conventional war. They are the foot soldiers for fighting and dying against the ethnic rebels. Poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly gazetted and conscription based army means many of them may not highly motivated to serve the cause of Junta. This is very different from Bangladesh army, which is half the size of the Burmese in the number of personnel, but entirely voluntarily recruited, better trained and better paid and highly motivated, and most importantly, not fighting against it's own country.

For equipment part also, this discrepancy remain, much of their army equipment exist only in paper, how much of that are operational or can be field to fight a conventional war is in doubt. This is also true to large extent for their air force and naval equipment.

So, I am doubtful that Burmese junta will dare to go on a largescale offensive against Bangladesh. They may try to create some border nuisance like air space violation, taking advantage of their better Air Force. But I doubt they have any gut to fight Bangladesh on a conventional battle.

It is important that, we do not under-estimate our opponent. But it is also important that we do not give more credit to the opponent than they deserve. We need a right balance. Our intelligence(NSI, DGFI) need to be one of the best in the world.

Burma's internal conflicts will fade once there is a bogeyman that Tatmadaw could use to unite the country. And that's why I said they will go for a war against Bangladesh if their internal peace process falls apart. During a war against Bangladesh, those rebel groups won't go against Tatmadaw due to the massive anti-Muslim sentiments spread by the military and Buddhist nationalists throughout country. Unless of course our military have cultivated any links with those rebel groups but there is no evidence of such. Even take the Rohingya crisis for example, entire Burma was united in their opinion against the Rohingyas.

If there was any grievances among the soldiers or junior officers of Tatmadaw, there would have been some sort of rebellions within the military but I haven't heard of anything as such. Even the rule of their military junta has been relatively smooth with peaceful transitions of power within the military.

If they know about the underlying conditions of our military and the psychology of our leadership (and there's no reason why they wouldn't know), there would be no dearth of motivation among the Burmese troops in case of a war. This is pretty much evident in the aggression shown by Burma in recent years. And this is why those underlying issues need to be resolved, otherwise, whatever military modernization or acquisition we go through, they would be rendered useless.

 

[Tom-tom]

Ask this Indian defence section.

This was in direct response from China build and scuffle on the border, so technically overlaps here.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Burma's internal conflicts will fade once there is a bogeyman that Tatmadaw could use to unite the country. And that's why I said they will go for a war against Bangladesh if their internal peace process falls apart. During a war against Bangladesh, those rebel groups won't go against Tatmadaw due to the massive anti-Muslim sentiments spread by the military and Buddhist nationalists throughout country. Unless of course our military have cultivated any links with those rebel groups but there is no evidence of such. Even take the Rohingya crisis for example, entire Burma was united in their opinion against the Rohingyas.

If there was any grievances among the soldiers or junior officers of Tatmadaw, there would have been some sort of rebellions within the military but I haven't heard of anything as such. Even the rule of their military junta has been relatively smooth with peaceful transitions of power within the military.

If they know about the underlying conditions of our military and the psychology of our leadership (and there's no reason why they wouldn't know), there would be no dearth of motivation among the Burmese troops in case of a war. This is pretty much evident in the aggression shown by Burma in recent years. And this is why those underlying issues need to be resolved, otherwise, whatever military modernization or acquisition we go through, they would be rendered useless.

Tbh in Myanmar what binds every ethnic group together is Buddhism.

Ethnic groups may be fighting one another but when it comes to Buddhism, every ethnic group is United. That's why during Rohingya crisis each and every ethnic group remained quite.

Even Ashin Wirathu and Sitagu Sayadaw, two hardcore anti muslim monks, have huge support from other ethnic group not just Bamars.

 

[Shorisrip]

Tbh in Myanmar what binds every ethnic group together is Buddhism.

Ethnic groups may be fighting one another but when it comes to Buddhism, every ethnic group is United. That's why during Rohingya crisis each and every ethnic group remained quite.

Even Ashin Wirathu and Sitagu Sayadaw, two hardcore anti muslim monks, have huge support from other ethnic group not just Bamars.

There are lot of non-buddhist groups in Myanmar as well, like majority of Chin, Kachin, Naga people etc as well as large sections of ethnic groups like the Karen who are Christian. Either way, literally all major groups in the country have insurgency movements against the state.

Are you a Bengali Buddhist (Barua) or Chakma/Marma?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

There are lot of non-buddhist groups in Myanmar as well, like majority of Chin, Kachin, Naga people etc as well as large sections of ethnic groups like the Karen who are Christian. Either way, literally all major groups in the country have insurgency movements against the state.

Are you a Bengali Buddhist (Barua) or Chakma/Marma?

Myanmar is almost 90% Buddhist. Christians are 6.3%. That's not a lot of Christian though.

 

[Shorisrip]

Myanmar is almost 90% Buddhist. Christians are 6.3%. That's not a lot of Christian though.

Hmm, so I guess you're non-Bengali. Makes sense.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Hmm, so I guess you're non-Bengali. Makes sense.

Muslim population reduced drastically in Myanmar which increased the Buddhist population. Many media says Buddhist population is 90% or more now.

As you can see Christians are 6.2%.

 

[Species]

Tbh in Myanmar what binds every ethnic group together is Buddhism.

Ethnic groups may be fighting one another but when it comes to Buddhism, every ethnic group is United. That's why during Rohingya crisis each and every ethnic group remained quite.

Even Ashin Wirathu and Sitagu Sayadaw, two hardcore anti muslim monks, have huge support from other ethnic group not just Bamars.

True that.

But many of those rebel groups are not really induced by any ideologies and are mostly working as mercenaries, exploiting the forest resources and smuggling them to China. It's possible to utilize them in our favor during a war only if can cultivate some links with them.