Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The Rehmat Ali idea sounds very reasonable to me. That was the only logical way to draw the lines. The lines that were drawn were doomed to fail. The countries didn’t even share borders. People fear the unknown, Bengali leaders perhaps felt more safe with a common identity because of the unknown future ahead. But it wasn’t gonna work out to be fair

Well its all water under the bridge now, the main focus is Hindutva in the present and India in general. Pakistan and BD share the same interests in this endeavor.

 

[Xerxes22]

No @bluesky , she is not a traitor , but people like you are the real traitor to the nation .

No @bluesky , she is not a traitor , but people like you are the real traitor to the nation .

you are also talking big. Kinda like an *** kisser

Well its all water under the bridge now, the main focus is Hindutva in the present and India in general. Pakistan and BD share the same interests in this endeavor.

This whole fascism Nd conquest bs is not suited for a national pursuit wen you must go to the polls every four years. BJP will find that out very soon. If a state or govt intends to have this kinda ideology then they have to have no voting system cuz the ppl can just vote ur conquest agenda out the door. Guys like modi dnt understand that. Everyone know this hindutva things is gonna be gone after the election nd Congress will 100% take over now. I wish tho that it didn’t happen nd the unrational govt stayed in power for many more years. That wud be best for the surrounding countries including BD

You are very right . But look at some smart BD guys who are explaining something that make little sense . Hasina should continue ruling as long as she wants . I believe Bangladesh is following Chinese Model ( though not same to same , but our own modified version) , and also deep state (military authority in our case , as well as Pakistan and Egypt as dar I know ) ) is actually controlling Bangladesh from under the curtain. But I believe you need a wise political leader who has feelings to develop his/her country , and Hasina is exactly this kind of leader , who can not be bought with money .

I believe that's the reason deep state is backing her . Also she has a desire to fulfill the dream of our father of nation ( who is her own father ) , and when a daughter vowed to fulfill her father's wishes , she is a natural selection IMO .

So that's are some good reason that deep state is giving it's full support for Hasina . But there are some intellectuals and also some naive people who do not understand it . Naive people are good , but intellectuals are bad anyway .

However I thank you finally that you are on the right track , and your line of thinking is correct . As long as someone is helping our people to live a better life , he/she can rule us till death , I have no objection , infact I support it .

Benevolent autocracy is much more desirable than rotten democracy ( that is just a western cult or propaganda , whatever you call it) .
@viva_zhao

if the goddamn deep state is controlling everything from under the curtain than how the hell is Hasina even a great leader? Can u explain ?

 

[VikingRaider]

you are also talking big. Kinda like an *** kisser

Perhaps not as big ***kisser like you , who joined at Monday and defending another user who is pointing finger ( it's not the first time , but several time he did it and when challenged started BS) to the PM of Bangladesh but did not provide any evidence?

if the goddamn deep state is controlling everything from under the curtain than how the hell is Hasina even a great leader? Can u explain ?

Do not live in your dream , try to live in your reality . A PM is the head of this deep state , she will get support until she starts screwing a country and become a threat to sovereignty.
.

 

[Xerxes22]

Perhaps not as big ***kisser like you , who joined at Monday and defending another user who is pointing finger ( it's not the first time , but several time he did it and when challenged started BS) to the PM of Bangladesh but did not provide any evidence?


Do not live in your dream , try to live in your reality . A PM is the head of this deep state , she will get support until she starts screwing a country and become a threat to sovereignty.
.

Do you even know what deep state means? Do you know what the heck you are saying? The So called elected govt of your PM is the deep state itself? You don’t get the concept do you? And listen this whole thing is a farce. You know very well that this country holds fake elections. There is no order or justice in any sector. And stop all that big talk.I think if there was no chance of you being abducted from your house in plain sight then u wud not be an *** kisser. You wud be the total opposite of that. But fear is a great tool isn’t it? It’s showing.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This whole fascism Nd conquest bs is not suited for a national pursuit wen you must go to the polls every four years. BJP will find that out very soon. If a state or govt intends to have this kinda ideology then they have to have no voting system cuz the ppl can just vote ur conquest agenda out the door. Guys like modi dnt understand that. Everyone know this hindutva things is gonna be gone after the election nd Congress will 100% take over now. I wish tho that it didn’t happen nd the unrational govt stayed in power for many more years. That wud be best for the surrounding countries including BD

It is too far gone now, I don't think India can go back to light persecution of minorities. Hindutva has forever altered India. Even Congress will have to be much more hawkish and carry on Modi's anti-minority pogroms if they come in power (I don't think they will.)

Regardless, Pakistan/China are headed to war with India in the near future, that is, if India does not collapse first on its own.

 

[vi-va]

You are very right . But look at some smart BD guys who are explaining something that make little sense . Hasina should continue ruling as long as she wants . I believe Bangladesh is following Chinese Model ( though not same to same , but our own modified version) , and also deep state (military authority in our case , as well as Pakistan and Egypt as dar I know ) ) is actually controlling Bangladesh from under the curtain. But I believe you need a wise political leader who has feelings to develop his/her country , and Hasina is exactly this kind of leader , who can not be bought with money .

I believe that's the reason deep state is backing her . Also she has a desire to fulfill the dream of our father of nation ( who is her own father ) , and when a daughter vowed to fulfill her father's wishes , she is a natural selection IMO .

So that's are some good reason that deep state is giving it's full support for Hasina . But there are some intellectuals and also some naive people who do not understand it . Naive people are good , but intellectuals are bad anyway .

However I thank you finally that you are on the right track , and your line of thinking is correct . As long as someone is helping our people to live a better life , he/she can rule us till death , I have no objection , infact I support it .

Benevolent autocracy is much more desirable than rotten democracy ( that is just a western cult or propaganda , whatever you call it) .
@viva_zhao

The secret for development is don't do what west say. Do what the west did in 19th century except colonialism.

What the west preach 24*7 is opposite to what they did in 19th, which is their earlier stage of industrialization.

Basically, you need a ruler, or ruling class. And the ruling class must be accountable and responsible to the development. BD is under the rule of Hasina and her political alliance. You will see many problems under her ruling. But I can assure you, if BD change leader every 4-5 years, it will just get worse.

治大国若烹小鲜。Governing a great state is like cooking small fish. Once you keep on flipping, it will fall apart.


https://ctext.org/dao-de-jing/ens?searchu=治大國若烹小鮮。

 

[Xerxes22]

Perhaps not as big ***kisser like you , who joined at Monday and defending another user who is pointing finger ( it's not the first time , but several time he did it and when challenged started BS) to the PM of Bangladesh but did not provide any evidence?


Do not live in your dream , try to live in your reality . A PM is the head of this deep state , she will get support until she starts screwing a country and become a threat to sovereignty.
.

listen the whole state of affairs of ur belo

Perhaps not as big ***kisser like you , who joined at Monday and defending another user who is pointing finger ( it's not the first time , but several time he did it and when challenged started BS) to the PM of Bangladesh but did not provide any evidence?


Do not live in your dream , try to live in your reality . A PM is the head of this deep state , she will get support until she starts screwing a country and become a threat to sovereignty.
.

Look at you my man. The whole state of the country is wearing heavy on your spirit isn’t it? You act like a proper civil servant acting on behalf of A dictator. That guy is expressing his free opinion. It’s called freedom of expression sumthing you don’t know cuz you come from a place where that don’t exist. I say again, you stated that he pointed finger at your PM. My friend, it’s called freedom of expression, not pointing fingers. Take ur ego Nd servitude sumwhere else. Free ppl are free to express their opinions

 

[VikingRaider]

Do you even know what deep state means? Do you know what the heck you are saying? The So called elected govt of your PM is the deep state itself? You don’t get the concept do you?

Nah I do not know it , perhaps you can teach !However I did not say that Hasina is the deep state . She was the nominal head of it but the real power is the authority . In Bangla from wikipedia

ছায়া সরকার হচ্ছে এক গুচ্ছ ষড়যন্ত্র তত্ত্ব যা এই ধারণার উপর ভিত্তি করে তৈরি হয় যে, বাস্তব ও প্রকৃত রাজনৈতিক ক্ষমতা জনগণের দ্বারা নির্বাচিত প্রতিনিধির দ্বারা গঠিত হয় না ( যেমন যুক্তরাষ্ট্র কংগ্রেস), বরং বিভিন্ন ব্যক্তির দ্বারা গঠিত হয় যারা পর্দার আড়ালে থেকে এবং গণতান্ত্রিক প্রতিষ্ঠানসমূহের নজরের বাইরে থেকে ক্ষমতার চর্চা করেন। এই বিশ্বাস অনুসারে, আনুষ্ঠানিক নির্বাচিত সরকার এই ছায়া সরকারের অনুগত হয় যেখানে এই ছায়া সরকার সকল নির্বাহী ক্ষমতার অধিকারী হয়।


Yet the prime minister is the head of the govt ( of Bangladesh) , so also the nominal head of everything . look at the election of 15 February 1996 , and later 5 january 2014 . Why Khaleda fell and Hasina is still ruling ? Because of the back up of so called deep state that is actually a type of conspiracy theory , but I believe that some conspiracy theory is actually the reality .

Still why Hasina is great leader ? Because she has a passion to develop the country and passion to elevate people's life .

But without the support of the deep state she will not become a successful leader , because ," No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main" .

That's the reason even if the country is controlled by deep state , still Hasina is a great leader because she got the chance and acting wisely and for mankind .

And listen this whole thing is a farce.

Actually democracy is a farce itself . That's why
However in Bangladesh , Egypt and Pakistan the real authority of deep state is it's military intelligence!

You know very well that this country holds fake elections

Fake election is necessary to make western allies happy . To make our system Halal , election drama in every 5 years is necessary .

There is no order or justice in any sector.

Perhaps you can establish order and justice ? Who is actuallyh stopping you ? If VP nur can gather many students and force hasina to bow down and abolish the quota system , why you can not do ? Exactly what is stopping you ?

And stop all that big talk.

It's you who are talking big and rubish . crying for justice , and taking no realistic steps.

People who I share blood and genes With were close associates of the man whose name you took in vain. Yes the great Sheik Mujib.

Does that really matter ? few days ago Hasina rejected her relatives as her family when the cleaning inside zuboleague was going on !

And also relatives of the great Mujib was the main cause of his fall . Make sense ? So do not feel big if you really share blood with them.

Nd I think if there was no chance of you being abducted from your house in plain sight then u wud not be an *** kisser. You wud be the total opposite of that. But fear is a great tool isn’t it? It’s showing

Hahaha again ?Am I a mirror for you that every time you look at my post , you see your own image ?Quote me next time if you have anything fruitful to say .

 

[vi-va]

It is too far gone now, I don't think India can go back to light persecution of minorities. Hindutva has forever altered India. Even Congress will have to be much more hawkish and carry on Modi's anti-minority pogroms if they come in power (I don't think they will.)

Regardless, Pakistan/China are headed to war with India in the near future, that is, if India does not collapse first on its own.

Why Pakistan and China abandon India? Because Modi's ideology and agenda has changed India and Indians fundamentally.
It's very dangerous and suicidal if you don't realize you are dealing with Hitler and be unprepared.
There is no way you can have peace with Hitler. The best way for survival is get yourselves armed, it's way better than slaughtered.

 

[Xerxes22]

Nah I do not know it , perhaps you can teach !However I did not say that Hasina is the deep state . She was the nominal head of it but the real power is the authority . In Bangla from wikipedia

ছায়া সরকার হচ্ছে এক গুচ্ছ ষড়যন্ত্র তত্ত্ব যা এই ধারণার উপর ভিত্তি করে তৈরি হয় যে, বাস্তব ও প্রকৃত রাজনৈতিক ক্ষমতা জনগণের দ্বারা নির্বাচিত প্রতিনিধির দ্বারা গঠিত হয় না ( যেমন যুক্তরাষ্ট্র কংগ্রেস), বরং বিভিন্ন ব্যক্তির দ্বারা গঠিত হয় যারা পর্দার আড়ালে থেকে এবং গণতান্ত্রিক প্রতিষ্ঠানসমূহের নজরের বাইরে থেকে ক্ষমতার চর্চা করেন। এই বিশ্বাস অনুসারে, আনুষ্ঠানিক নির্বাচিত সরকার এই ছায়া সরকারের অনুগত হয় যেখানে এই ছায়া সরকার সকল নির্বাহী ক্ষমতার অধিকারী হয়।


Yet the prime minister is the head of the govt ( of Bangladesh) , so also the nominal head of everything . look at the election of 15 February 1996 , and later 5 january 2014 . Why Khaleda fell and Hasina is still ruling ? Because of the back up of so called deep state that is actually a type of conspiracy theory , but I believe that some conspiracy theory is actually the reality .

Still why Hasina is great leader ? Because she has a passion to develop the country and passion to elevate people's life .

But without the support of the deep state she will not become a successful leader , because ," No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main" .

That's the reason even if the country is controlled by deep state , still Hasina is a great leader because she got the chance and acting wisely and for mankind .


Actually democracy is a farce itself . That's why
However in Bangladesh , Egypt and Pakistan the real authority of deep state is it's military intelligence!


Fake election is necessary to make western allies happy . To make our system Halal , election drama in every 5 years is necessary .




Perhaps you can establish order and justice ? Who is actuallyh stopping you ? If VP nur can gather many students and force hasina to bow down and abolish the quota system , why you can not do ? Exactly what is stopping you ?

It's you who are talking big and rubish . crying for justice , and taking no realistic steps.




Does that really matter ? few days ago Hasina rejected her relatives as her family when the cleaning inside zuboleague was going on !

And also relatives of the great Mujib was the main cause of his fall . Make sense ? So do not feel big if you really share blood with them.


Hahaha again ?Am I a mirror for you that every time you look at my post , you see your own image ?Quote me next time if you have anything fruitful to say .

you are a man with little knowledge . Look at how you explain deep state to me. With that stupid definition from a stupid guide manual . I ain’t got no interest in wasting my words with you. None of ur points make any sense. You talk a lot of nonsense about deep state. What is the deep state in BD ? Has it got a line of super rich banking elite like the Rothschild of the west? Or a super intelligence agency like ISI or a Quds force? It got nothing. It only has a dynasty. There is no deep state here. Nd I think Sheikh Hasina is a far greater leader than any other leader bd ever had. But all this bogus talk u did about deep state backing her and blah blah ... Nd *** kissing on the other comments shows ur depth of knowledge. I expect nothing better from you anyway. I’m moving on to other threads.. Bye Bye

 

[VikingRaider]

The secret for development is don't do what west say. Do what the west did in 19th century except colonialism.

What the west preach 24*7 is opposite to what they did in 19th, which is their earlier stage of industrialization.

I agree.

Basically, you need a ruler, or ruling class. And the ruling class must be accountable and responsible to the development. BD is under the rule of Hasina and her political alliance. You will see many problems under her ruling. But I can assure you, if BD change leader every 4-5 years, it will just get worse.

You have exactly read my mind man ! This is the thing I am saying from the very beginning . But look at now , someone is spreading conspiracy against Bangladesh govt and another one is defending him nakedly by claiming it as freedom of speech and freedom of expression . He/she forgot that too much freedom is harmful for a country . But these type of people will never learn because , either they came from rich background ( from where you can not understand the ground reality , or just plain fifth columnist .

Some could be plain idiot too , so I think these guys will keep arguing for the sake of argument only . Ruling class had been the part and parcel of any successful nation . If you give the so called freedom of speech to them who can be bought with a cup of tea and cheap quality ideology , then the freedom of speech will backfire in the end ! Problem is many educated ( actually pseudo educated ) people of Bangladesh do not want to understand it .

you are a man with little knowledge . Look at how you explain deep state to me. With that stupid definition from a stupid guide manual . I ain’t got no interest in wasting my words with you. None of ur points make any sense. You talk a lot of nonsense about deep state. What is the deep state in BD ? Has it got a line of super rich banking elite like the Rothschild of the west? Or a super intelligence agency like ISI or a Quds force? It got nothing. It only has a dynasty. There is no deep state here. Nd I think Sheikh Hasina is a far greater leader than any other leader bd ever had. But all this bogus talk u did about deep state backing her and blah blah ... Nd *** kissing on the other comments shows ur depth of knowledge. I expect nothing better from you anyway. I’m moving on to other threads.. Bye Bye

I see that ,you decided that the last comment will be yours , then better learn something learn , instead of using your fuking intuitive ideas . Why do you think that I will waste my time to make you understand what deep state is?I posted the wikipedia link that you can get out of your illusion of freedom of expression. I know that wiki is nothing but just a source where you can get basic ideas!

And for the rest of your BS , I do not want to say anything . Something you can not find using google .Just use your brain if you have it! Now write another comment( as you vowed ) and just fuk off!

PS: Whatever you write , just remember that I am your mirror !

@Xerxes22

 

[Xerxes22]

I agree.

You have exactly read my mind man ! This is the thing I am saying from the very beginning . But look at now , someone is spreading conspiracy against Bangladesh govt and another one is defending him nakedly by claiming it as freedom of speech and freedom of expression . He/she forgot that too much freedom is harmful for a country . But these type of people will never learn because , either they came from rich background ( from where you can not understand the ground reality , or just plain fifth columnist .

Some could be plain idiot too , so I think these guys will keep arguing for the sake of argument only . Ruling class had been the part and parcel of any successful nation . If you give the so called freedom of speech to them who can be bought with a cup of tea and cheap quality ideology , then the freedom of speech will backfire in the end ! Problem is many educated ( actually pseudo educated ) people of Bangladesh do not want to understand it .


I see that ,you decided that the last comment will be yours , then better learn something learn , instead of using your fuking intuitive ideas . Why do you think that I will waste my time to make you understand what deep state is? And for the rest of your BS , I do not want to anything . Something you can not find using google .Just use your brain if you have it! Now write another comment( as you vowed ) and just fuk off!

@Xerxes22

listen you dimwit with a 9 yr old brain, the last comment will be yours and not mine. And there’s nothing you can do about it hahaha. And look at youR dimwit red response to my comment. You had no response to the points I made , instead u went for irrelevant insults towards me. Is it midnight yet? Can u update your brain like the iPhone late at night? Explain to me who the deep state in BD are? 1) wealthy businessmen who have hundreds of billions in assets? 2) the military ? ( hahaha the military, you know who commands it right? Or do u think bd military is like the US super Hollywood type military to be the deep state?) 3) intelligence/ security apparatuses? Who the heck are they? Answer it. And I’m gone now.. the last comment is yours my friend.. live with it

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The secret for development is don't do what west say. Do what the west did in 19th century except colonialism.

What the west preach 24*7 is opposite to what they did in 19th, which is their earlier stage of industrialization.

Basically, you need a ruler, or ruling class. And the ruling class must be accountable and responsible to the development. BD is under the rule of Hasina and her political alliance. You will see many problems under her ruling. But I can assure you, if BD change leader every 4-5 years, it will just get worse.

治大国若烹小鲜。Governing a great state is like cooking small fish. Once you keep on flipping, it will fall apart.


https://ctext.org/dao-de-jing/ens?searchu=治大國若烹小鮮。

Your basic point is correct, but it is very important for the head of a country not to be a puppet to or obliged to an enemy state.

That is the problem Muslim countries as a whole are having.

Only two countries which have escaped that are Turkey and Pakistan under their current governments.

All others are puppets, to some degree of enemy powers.

 

[vi-va]

You have exactly read my mind man ! This is the thing I am saying from the very beginning . But look at now , someone is spreading conspiracy against Bangladesh govt and another one is defending him nakedly by claiming it as freedom of speech and freedom of expression . He/she forgot that too much freedom is harmful for a country . But these type of people will never learn because , either they came from rich background ( from where you can not understand the ground reality , or just plain fifth columnist .

Some could be plain idiot too , so I think these guys will keep arguing for the sake of argument only . Ruling class had been the part and parcel of any successful nation . If you give the so called freedom of speech to them who can be bought with a cup of tea and cheap quality ideology , then the freedom of speech will backfire in the end ! Problem is many educated ( actually pseudo educated ) people of Bangladesh do not want to understand it .

Agree with you. We are on the same page.

1. Speech is action. History prove that by Hitler. Speech is more power than action sometimes. Hitler is a very powerful man who can brainwash tens of millions by several speech.
2. No country has freedom of speech and free election during their earlier stage of industrialization. US has no free election for blacks until 1965.
3. Freedom open the door to let idiots involved in decision making process. It's not progressive, it's degenerate. Even people in 2000 years ago are not that naive and stupid.
4. Yes, you are right, BD is faking the election to make west happy, that's necessary for now. China on the other hand can say fcuk off and do whatever we have to do in our own agenda.

When Did African Americans Actually Get the Right to Vote?
https://www.history.com/news/african-american-voting-right-15th-amendment
"Later that year, President Lyndon Johnson signed into law the Voting Rights Act, which banned literacy tests and other methods used to disenfranchise Black voters."


Voting Rights Act of 1965
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

Your basic point is correct, but it is very important for the head of a country not to be a puppet to or obliged to an enemy state.

That is the problem Muslim countries as a whole are having.

Only two countries which have escaped that are Turkey and Pakistan under their current governments.

All others are puppets, to some degree of enemy powers.

Once a country can NOT defend herself and have rotation of power (free election). Doomed.
It's easy for west to manipulate, there will always be candidate who are willing to sell himself for power.