Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don’t doubt that. All I’m saying is there will be some uneasy-ness still. Because history has influence in everything. 99% of Bangladeshis support the Liberation war of 71 and the cessation. But 90% Bangladeshis also want Pakistan to Kick India’s *** Nd reclaim Kashmir. So do u guys in case of BD - Myanmar conflict. I think the main hurdle for BD Pakistan future Bi lateral prospect is TRUST. Deep down the two nations want each other to succeed but there is doubts and trust issues that may be the biggest obstacles

Pakistanis, by and large, support BD independence. Our founding father Ch. Rehmat Ali envisioned an independent Bangistan from the beginning, in addition to one or two Indian Muslim states called Osmanistan.

Bengali Muslim League leaders pushed a united Pakistan against the wishes of the founders of Pakistan. All this unnecessary hurt sentiments in BD could have been avoided from the beginning.

Religion can never be the only factor of unification of a Muslim state, ideological commonality and race also hold factors too.

Instead of BD, we Pakistan should have pushed more for re-unification with Afghanistan, however Barakzai monarchs were more interested in British gold than re-consolidating our borders from the Durrani empire.

No. One thing I can assure you. China hate exporting Communist ideology. It's not in our interest. Most importantly, China is not a communist country at all.
US call us State Capitalist. Haha.

Chinese system is unique for China, I have heard many Chinese say this. I respect this sentiment greatly.

We Pakistanis also do not go around trying to change people like the West, but to accept people for who they are already.

 

[VikingRaider]

BD will choose China in the end, I have a strong feeling. They will even shoot up Mujib's leftover family if they have to.

Who will shoot them by the way ?

BD people are more sensible than the current Hasina government, yes, I know this.

Your real problem is you can not move from past days , it's clear now . Why do you still dislike Hasina because her father lead us to get our freedom? Move on please , it is old matter and what happened it was good for both side . And it ultimately brought both side closer in 1974 .

Or you dislike them because Mujib revived brotherly relationship with your country? What is the reason sir , care to explain ?

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Who will shoot them by the way ?


Your real problem is you can not move from past days , it's clear now . Why do you hate Hasina because her father lead us to get our freedom?

Or you hate them because Mujib revived brotherly relationship with your country? What is the reason sir , care to explain ?

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I like Gen. Ziaur Rahman better.

 

[VikingRaider]

I like Gen. Ziaur Rahman better.

But @Old School said he is Indian dalal contrary to popular belief . I stopped reading the book of major Dalim for coronavirus tension . Planning to read it again from now . I have to find the reality.

 

[Species]

The point is BAL leadership lacks confidence and it does not want to create a situation that glorifies military that supersedes Hasina's authority. Burmese military junta had full knowledge of this weak psychology and acted on it by pushing Rohingya expecting no reaction from a power hungry Hasina.

Precisely. That's what I meant by the phrase "domestically-focused". They are just too busy in consolidating their power at home to think about external threats or strategic issues.

Pilkhana carnage was staged by her and her BAL cronies in Jubo Leage and Chatra League to create a gulf between BDR Jawans and the BA Officers in the BDR. I do not think the next door MM's intelligence group does not know the reality of Pilkhana Carnage. So, it acted accordingly.

These are open secrets. It would rather have been surprising on Myanmar's part if they didn't act on it; they have their own interests vis-à-vis Bangladesh.

 

[VikingRaider]

Pilkhana carnage was staged by her and her BAL cronies in Jubo Leage and Chatra League to create a gulf between BDR Jawans and the BA Officers in the BDR.

Again @bluesky , you have to prove every single word of your claim . Without concrete evidence stop spreading your gossip.You are nothing but a gossip monger.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Again @bluesky , you have to prove every single word of your claim . Without concrete evidence stop spreading your gossip.You are nothing but a gossip monger.

Bluesky is right, it's out in the open, just connect the dots.

Hasina masterfully eliminated a few thorns from her sides.

 

[VikingRaider]

Bluesky is right, it's out in the open, just connect the dots.

Provide concrete evidence first , then defend him . Thank you .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

But @Old School said he is Indian dalal contrary to popular belief . I stopped reading the book of major Dalim for coronavirus tension . Planning to read it again from now . I have to find the reality.

I don't understand those Bangla words. Can you explain what you mean?

All I know is that BNP had a much more positive relationship with Pakistan than BAL.

 

[Tom-tom]

Pakistanis, by and large, support BD independence. Our founding father Ch. Rehmat Ali envisioned an independent Bangistan from the beginning, in addition to one or two Indian Muslim states called Osmanistan.

Bengali Muslim League leaders pushed a united Pakistan against the wishes of the founders of Pakistan. All this unnecessary hurt sentiments in BD could have been avoided from the beginning.

Religion can never be the only factor of unification of a Muslim state, ideological commonality and race also hold factors too.

Instead of BD, we Pakistan should have pushed more for re-unification with Afghanistan, however Barakzai monarchs were more interested in British gold than re-consolidating our borders from the Durrani empire.



Chinese system is unique for China, I have heard many Chinese say this. I respect this sentiment greatly.

We Pakistanis also do not go around trying to change people like the West, but to accept people for who they are already.

Missed a bullet there, or the soviets would have invaded you.

 

[VikingRaider]

I don't understand those Bangla words. Can you explain what you mean?

All I know is that BNP had a much more positive relationship with Pakistan than BAL.

Indian dalal = India lover/Indian stooge/Indian agent , Dalal is actually a derogatory word in Bangla. I will also give you the link of the book of Major Dalim who was one of the killer of Mujib family . You can read in English. Hit the links of right sidebar to read the book in English; open all links in new tab or new windows for your convenience.

http://majordalimbubangla.com/wp/

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Provide concrete evidence first , then defend him . Thank you .

Let me rephrase that, SHW let it happen.

You don't lead a country with an iron fist without knowing that something is brewing under the lid.

The way the army was held back and the mutineers were allowed to escape, is proof enough.

The hasty trial and execution of mere grunts, how is that a proper trial and proper investigation into such a serious issue. Moot court and executed.

Real perpetrators were those among the jawans who encouraged them, carried out the killings and then escaped, leaving the jawans staring at certain death in the gallows.

She let that happen, to weaken BDR, weaken the army, sink morale to all time lows and to eliminate some armed forces brass; brass who wouldn't be conducive to her long tenure in the mighty seat.

R&AW was involved in the Pilkhana incident. Hasina let it happen, gave the perpetrators a carte blanche so to speak.

You don't believe me ? No problem wait for Hasina to step down, then watch as the beans slip our and eventually spill.

Truth always prevails and comes to the fore.

But only the patient ones get to see it for what it is.

 

[vi-va]

Who will shoot them by the way ?


Your real problem is you can not move from past days , it's clear now . Why do you still dislike Hasina because her father lead us to get our freedom? Move on please , it is old matter and what happened it was good for both side . And it ultimately brought both side closer in 1974 .

Or you dislike them because Mujib revived brotherly relationship with your country? What is the reason sir , care to explain ?

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I am not familiar with BD politics. But I think BD is developing fast under Hasina. Most importantly, BD is more stable than more Muslim countries.
If Hasina can hold the power, and keep BD developing, not bad.
Please educate me if I am wrong here.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I am BD supporter. A independent BD, just like independent Pakistan is in China's interest.

We also like to see strong presence of China in Bay of Bengal. Among the Bay of Bengal littoral countries, Bangladesh is destined to be the 2nd largest Naval power after India given the pace of our Naval modernization and economic growth. Strong presence of PLAN in Bay of Bengal and close co-operation of PLAN with the navies of Bangladesh along with Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia can effectively counter the Indian hegemonic ambition over Bay of Bengal and Malacca straits. Bay of Bengal is the life line for Bangladesh, also crucial for China's BRI. This naval partnership between Bangladesh and China is already strong, most of our warship is already Chinese origin including our Submarine. China is also building 1.2 billion dollar Submarine base in coastal Bangladesh which indicate farther deepening of co-operation in the coming years.

In the north, from the northern tip of Bangladesh, Chumbi valley of China is barely 100 km across the Siliguri corridor. Chumbi valley is called ''the Chinese dagger above the Indian chicken neck'. Strong military presence from both north(Chumbi valley) and South(Bangladesh) can keep India tamed. We also can tame India in it's isolated, landlocked North East(South Tibet aka Arunachal is part of it) by maintaining strong military posture enveloping it from all direction by China, Bangladesh and Myanmar.

These are some of the strategic co-operation China and Bangladesh can pursue in the future. Despite China's lack of support for Bangladesh in Rohingya issue, Bangladeshi people still consider China to be a strategic friend. We understand very well, our geo-political interests most closely match with China. Rohingya issue can not dampen it much.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

I am not familiar with BD politics. But I think BD is developing fast under Hasina. Most importantly, BD is more stable than more Muslim countries.
If Hasina can hold the power, and keep BD developing, not bad.
Please educate me if I am wrong here.

She has developed BD, albeit people have lost some of their freedoms but we will take development over freedom anyway.

Bangladesh is one of the few Muslim majority countries without a dire Terrorism crisis. I mean the biggest attack only killed 26 people and it was home grown Terrorists not international groups.

She is the best leader Bangladesh has ever had from a developmental stand point. During her tenure, a developing Bangladesh has become a reality.

Simple example in the 90s and early 2000s cyclones killed 500 to 200,000 people. Come Hasina and stable developmental policies and lots of storm shelters, public awareness programmes, warning systems, disasters relief volunteer groups were put in place.

Last month there was a cyclone, 80 people died in economic power house India because government didn't build enough shelters and in Bangladesh 16 died of those 2 guys drowned before the cyclone, 4 died after the cyclone by electrocution and tree branches coming loose.

Infant mortality rate is lowest in Bangladesh when compared to the usual suspects India and Pakistan, birth rate is lower, total fertility rate is lower, sex ratio is being stabilized, literacy rate has increased (almost neck and neck with India now), life expectancy has increased, women's empowerment has reached new facets of society, standard of living has improved, more poor have been pulled out of poverty, disposable income and increased and so on......

Overall HDI percentile score has increased from 0.523 in 2008 to 0.614 in 2019, we will hit the respectable 0.7 mark in the coming decade.


Unfortunately Hasina's tenure is said to end in 2023, this much she confirmed herself. Whether her policies are continued by her successor remains to be seen.

But it is my belief that now that the public is more aware of the economic situation in the country and they know what development means, they will not let a government hold on to power, if it is unable to continue this train of development.

China is important partner of Bangladesh, starting last year India is losing control over Sheikh Hasina thanks to Chinese aggressive diplomacy and back channeling in the region as a whole.

I hope china will completely neutralise India influence on Bangladeshi politics and policy making.

Only problem with Hasina is she bows down to India because they help her hold on to Power, other than that no issues with her.

So if China can eliminate Indian influence and free Hasina and AL ( Hasina's Party ) from Indian influence then a new era is set to come in Bangladesh.

A Bangladesh led by a Hasina, who is no longer shackled by India.

The potential is unlimited.