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Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

You know what he wrote in the posts you liked just yesterday, don't pretend to be oblivious. Mods deleted them but took no action, how innocent he is, I must be mad to accuse him of being a racist.

Racist supporting another racist, If I remember rightly you yourself deem people racist for less than that.

Inferiority complex? big word you're throwing around.

Good Job another one for the ignore list, take care and keep watch over your pet racist troll.


He got triggered by our Economic growth and went ballistic when I spoke of razakars and collaborators, he's also apparently lived in BD with a distant brother in some army stationed in BD, it has become very clear who he is and to what cabal he belongs, don't know why I wasted my time with congenital racists..... I was thinking he was a regular Pakistani troll but oh no he's the special type.

You are a typical, obsessed guy who is waging war on skeletons of '71.

Let it go. Step out in the sunshine and enjoy life.

Pakistanis are Pakistani, we don't like anyone to attack us for our beliefs or our culture.

You are not going to get far with this attitude on PDF.

Also we are aware that not all BD people are like this.
 
You are a typical, obsessed guy who is waging war on skeletons of '71.

Let it go. Step out in the sunshine and enjoy life.

Pakistanis are Pakistani, we don't like anyone to attack us for our beliefs or our culture.

You are not going to get far with this attitude on PDF.

Also we are aware that not all BD people are like this.


loooooool

I never even mentioned 71 until your hero here came and brought the topic out.

Just goes to show my point about sidestepping, dodging questions and use of semantics to change topic is true.

71 this, 71 that.... pfff

Birds of a feather flock together.

Have a nice day.
 
Bangladesh will only act when there is any attempt by India to use Bangladeshi territory. They only got a little taste in 2001 (look up "Padua/Roumari 2001").

Bangladesh will only lose if it initiates any aggression.

Let's say China manages to militarily "sever" the Chicken's neck: the local population in those states would not simply roll over and join China/Bangladesh.

What Bangladesh can do however is increase visible cooperation with China and use that to leverage concessions from India on the water sharing and trade fronts.



Bangladesh and China have and will always have strong ties.
It has only gotten stronger under Hasina.
You need to study Bangladesh more before making such comments.



We would never have to choose sides although everyone knows what side BD is in; Bangladesh will stay "neutral" which will only benefit China.
Make sense.

BD is beneficiary of India's weakness. India is pressuring Pakistan, and try to confront China by pretending on west side.

BD geography is very flat. There is no way BD can resist India full pressure. So it's in BD national core interest to keep India on Pakistan and China affairs.

BD can leverage those advantage to get concession from India, especially a WATER TREATY.

Only if you could understand the public sentiment in Bangladesh by surfing the Bengali comments in Youtube and Facebook. Ninety five percent are celebrating the 'good lesson' China taught to India, 5% are saying, both are killing Muslims, so I am glad they are killing each other. There is virtually no support for India in Bangladeshi social media. Bangladeshi Hindus are absent in comment section, Indian West Bengalis are cursing and swearing at Bangladeshis! If our current govt. represented the public opinion and aspiration, then long ago it would have ditched India in favor of China like Pakistan or Nepal. But unfortunately, our voting rights is now curtailed.
Because your government do understand how dangerous India can be. Your country is surrounded by India. Even your navy is under India navy shadow.
I am BD supporter. A independent BD, just like independent Pakistan is in China's interest.

That's why China would like to invest in both Pakistan and BD.

China just dislike India hegemony in South Asia. and all South Asia countries including Bhutan need China to balance India pressure. So it's win-win.

BD should learn the hard lesson that it is surrounded by enemies and seek to undo that reality. Your military needs work, China and Pakistan are both ready to help.

A major war is coming as India is about to implode, so we all need to be ready, and able to pick up the pieces when all of this is done.

I watched an Urdu program of Orya Maqbool Jan, whose predictions have come true every time about India. He said at the end of one year, he does not think India will exist in its current form.

Patience is key here. Wait it out and be ready.
Pakistan and all South Asia countries will be safe when India explode.
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BD geography is very flat. There is no way BD can resist India full pressure. So it's in BD national core interest to keep India on Pakistan and China affairs.
Although I generally agree with what you are saying here but in this case I somewhat want to differ about geography and terrain of Bangladesh. Although most of the border of Bangladesh run through plain land but a significant portion also traverse the hilly, jungle areas. Specially in the North East and South Eastern sides. My educated guess is, around 70 percent of our border with India goes over flat land and the rest 30 percent through hilly jungle. Now a significant portion of this flat border also demarcated by international rivers acting as a natural barrier. Moreover, the interior of Bangladesh is criss-crossed by hundreds of rivers and other water bodies posses a significant barrier to invading troops movement. Specially our capital city Dhaka is surrounded by big rivers from all sides. So Bangladesh despite being mostly flat posses significant terrain advantage over invading forces.

In 1971 war, When India fought with Pakistan for liberation of Bangladesh, took 13 days to reach the vicinity of Dhaka despite that fact that Dhaka is barely 100 to 200 km deep from Indian border. Then Indian army enjoyed 10:1 advantage on troops and weapons over Pakistan army deployed in Bangladesh, entire population of Bangladesh welcomed Indian troops, Bengali guerrilla forces fought and provided logistics to Indian army and Indian army engaged in bypassing strategy(avoiding Pakistani defence position to rush into Dhaka). Still it took 13 days! This shows, armored thrust within the interior of Bangladesh is not easy. This is the reason, Bangladesh is often called as the 'defender's paradise'.
Your country is surrounded by India. Even your navy is under India navy shadow.
This is a double edged sword for India. It is true, Indian landmass surround Bangladesh from 3 sides. But 2 out of this 3 sides covered by Indian land locked north East. An unnatural appendage of Indian mainland precariously connected with mainland India by narrow Siliguri corridor(Chicken neck corridor).

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North-east is a part of India which has no sea access and it's 98 percent border is shared with Bangladesh, China and Myanmar and only 2 percent border with Mainland India. India itself has constant headache of defending that part of their country against Chinese military onslaught. Let alone using that part as a launching pad against Bangladesh. A militarily strong Bangladesh will only add headache to Indian defence planners. If somehow, Siliguri corridor can be blocked, then the entire North East will be cut-off from mainland India! India will suffer significant obstacle maintaining normal connectivity between it's mainland theatre and north East theatre of war. So in any hypothetical war with Bangladesh(if Bangladesh can achieve minimum deterrence), Indian forces will be forced to function as a divided front, while Bangladesh, by virtue of being in the middle will operate as a single front with much easier logistics and supply line.

And for the navy part, yes our navy is much weaker than Indian navy. We need some capable submarine fleet to reduce this huge gap and to act as a deterrence. We have no delusion of competing with India in Naval race. We only want enough capability so that India can not attack our coast without heavy losses or block our maritime trade unchallenged. That's it. This is why we need a strong Submarine fleet along with decent number of frigate and corvette.
 
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I wonder how stupid someone has to be to lie through their teeth on the internet
Look we all know subcontinent is one big dump and there are slums all over the place in all countries. That is besides the point.

No one here is defending Bangladesh. I believe most of us Bangladeshis (myself included) are the fiercest and most vocal critics of our own country. Which you ignored in your posts.

If living in Dhanmandi and Dhaka proper gave someone (like you) the picture of whole Bangladesh then God help us. I think it is better to say that you don't know all facts concerning Bangladesh. In the last ten years alone there has been massive infra projects (mostly road/rail networks as well as power generation) all over Bangladesh. In Bangladesh we are running a power generation surplus. I don't know when you visited - but Padma bridge (and the expressway to that bridge from Dhaka) are real. These are facts. Go see the infra thread I made. Pictures don't lie.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/recent-urban-development-in-bangladesh.557256/page-21#post-12088751

If you're not connected with business folks, decision makers and movers/shakers in Bangladesh, then you will hardly know what the heck is going on. Looking at streets and slums won't give you any idea.

We are not rabid Hasina supporters here and honestly I don't care if you are a Hasina hater. If you say Bangladesh is a dump in spite of what we post here - then great. Really can't help that you feel nothing good is happening around Bangladesh or even if it is - then you don't like it. May Allah grant you some peace in your heart.

For now - we don't have any option better than Hasina. Calling her a b*tch won't change anything. Maybe that will change later, but for now it is a compromise, we need to be patient. Our country - our rules, and that's fair.
So from all I wrote dhanmandi was all you recognised....missed the other places like tribal etc.

This is a waste of time. Have a nice day . So disappointing

Here's an exhibit of this user, he calls Bengalis Hindus and Indians, defames the country, calls us out for being dark skinned and you'll even find out why he is so irked by Bangladesh in the below quotes.

He can't bear to see BD's economic growth, probably the kind of guy who looks at photos of Islamabad thinking all of Pakistan is the same as a puny prestige city purpose built for a capital.

And sensible Pakistanis are backing a user like this pffft.

Note all these quotes were directed and Bangladeshi Muslim users not Indians, because bashing Indians is excusable as per forum's Defacto rules.

This kind of users get free hand on PDF? These are only two pages I could sort thorough, for posts on this sub forum and referring to Bangladeshis. Make a broader search and who this person really is comes to fore.

I rest my case, mods ought to ban him but as long as Pakistan isn't being insult all else is allowed and encouraged.

Every post you posted is anti india. So I was right you are a dalat indian. That's why you are hurting because i speak against your hindu masters

See you have no life....and report me when the heat is turned up. That's what indians do @AgNoStiC MuSliM (now you see he was crying to you and now started again)

I am glad you have no family in BD. Genetic Indian crap like you need extermination. Sa sad you were missed.

Keep sniffing my farts gandoo
 
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Although I generally agree with what you are saying here but in this case I somewhat want to differ about geography and terrain of Bangladesh. Although most of the border of Bangladesh run through plain land but a significant portion also traverse the hilly, jungle areas. Specially in the North East and South Eastern sides. My educated guess is, around 70 percent of our border with India goes over flat land and the rest 30 percent through hilly jungle. Now a significant portion of this flat border also demarcated by international rivers acting as a natural barrier. Moreover, the interior of Bangladesh is criss-crossed by hundreds of rivers and other water bodies posses a significant barrier to invading troops movement. Specially our capital city Dhaka is surrounded by big rivers from all sides. So Bangladesh despite being mostly flat posses significant terrain advantage over invading forces.

In 1971 war, When India fought with Pakistan for liberation of Bangladesh, took 13 days to reach the vicinity of Dhaka despite that fact that Dhaka is barely 100 to 200 km deep from Indian border. Then Indian army enjoyed 10:1 advantage on troops and weapons over Pakistan army deployed in Bangladesh, entire population of Bangladesh welcomed Indian troops, Bengali guerrilla forces fought and provided logistics to Indian army and Indian army engaged in bypassing strategy(avoiding Pakistani defence position to rush into Dhaka). Still it took 13 days! This shows, armored thrust within the interior of Bangladesh is not easy. This is the reason, Bangladesh is often called as the 'defender's paradise'.

This is a double edged sword for India. It is true, Indian landmass surround Bangladesh from 3 sides. But 2 out of this 3 sides covered by Indian land locked north East. An unnatural appendage of Indian mainland precariously connected with mainland India by narrow Siliguri corridor(Chicken neck corridor).

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North-east is a part of India which has no sea access and it's 98 percent border is shared with Bangladesh, China and Myanmar and only 2 percent border with Mainland India. India itself has constant headache of defending that part of their country against Chinese military onslaught. Let alone using that part as a launching pad against Bangladesh. A militarily strong Bangladesh will only add headache to Indian defence planners. If somehow, Siliguri corridor can be blocked, then the entire North East will be cut-off from mainland India! India will suffer significant obstacle maintaining normal connectivity between it's mainland theatre and north East theatre of war. So in any hypothetical war with Bangladesh(if Bangladesh can achieve minimum deterrence), Indian forces will be forced to function as a divided front, while Bangladesh, by virtue of being in the middle will operate as a single front with much easier logistics and supply line.

And for the navy part, yes our navy is much weaker than Indian navy. We need some capable submarine fleet to reduce this huge gap and to act as a deterrence. We have no delusion of competing with India in Naval race. We only want enough capability so that India can not attack our coast without heavy losses or block our maritime trade unchallenged. That's it. That's why we need a strong Submarine fleet along with decent number of frigate and corvette.
I really doubt Bangladesh would have the capacity to cut off the corridor if war ever erupted ... chances are India would place a huge concentration of forces there before a war even began. Bangladesh would almost instantly be on the defense if war erupted even if the quality/training of its military matched that of India. The strategic situation as pointed out by @viva_zhao is too precarious ...
 
Although I generally agree with what you are saying here but in this case I somewhat want to differ about geography and terrain of Bangladesh. Although most of the border of Bangladesh run through plain land but a significant portion also traverse the hilly, jungle areas. Specially in the North East and South Eastern sides. My educated guess is, around 70 percent of our border with India goes over flat land and the rest 30 percent through hilly jungle. Now a significant portion of this flat border also demarcated by international rivers acting as a natural barrier. Moreover, the interior of Bangladesh is criss-crossed by hundreds of rivers and other water bodies posses a significant barrier to invading troops movement. Specially our capital city Dhaka is surrounded by big rivers from all sides. So Bangladesh despite being mostly flat posses significant terrain advantage over invading forces.

In 1971 war, When India fought with Pakistan for liberation of Bangladesh, took 13 days to reach the vicinity of Dhaka despite that fact that Dhaka is barely 100 to 200 km deep from Indian border. Then Indian army enjoyed 10:1 advantage on troops and weapons over Pakistan army deployed in Bangladesh, entire population of Bangladesh welcomed Indian troops, Bengali guerrilla forces fought and provided logistics to Indian army and Indian army engaged in bypassing strategy(avoiding Pakistani defence position to rush into Dhaka). Still it took 13 days! This shows, armored thrust within the interior of Bangladesh is not easy. This is the reason, Bangladesh is often called as the 'defender's paradise'.

This is a double edged sword for India. It is true, Indian landmass surround Bangladesh from 3 sides. But 2 out of this 3 sides covered by Indian land locked north East. An unnatural appendage of Indian mainland precariously connected with mainland India by narrow Siliguri corridor(Chicken neck corridor).

6_img1101019135028.jpg


North-east is a part of India which has no sea access and it's 98 percent border is shared with Bangladesh, China and Myanmar and only 2 percent border with Mainland India. India itself has constant headache of defending that part of their country against Chinese military onslaught. Let alone using that part as a launching pad against Bangladesh. A militarily strong Bangladesh will only add headache to Indian defence planners. If somehow, Siliguri corridor can be blocked, then the entire North East will be cut-off from mainland India! India will suffer significant obstacle maintaining normal connectivity between it's mainland theatre and north East theatre of war. So in any hypothetical war with Bangladesh(if Bangladesh can achieve minimum deterrence), Indian forces will be forced to function as a divided front, while Bangladesh, by virtue of being in the middle will operate as a single front with much easier logistics and supply line.

And for the navy part, yes our navy is much weaker than Indian navy. We need some capable submarine fleet to reduce this huge gap and to act as a deterrence. We have no delusion of competing with India in Naval race. We only want enough capability so that India can not attack our coast without heavy losses or block our maritime trade unchallenged. That's it. That's why we need a strong Submarine fleet along with decent number of frigate and corvette.
Agree with your post. It's in both BD and China's interest to keep deterrence, so that India won't go too far.

Sub + Anti-ship missile in land is very cost effective. It's more cost effective when sub is capable to carry anti-ship missile.
 
I really doubt Bangladesh would have the capacity to cut off the corridor if war ever erupted ... chances are India would place a huge concentration of forces there before a war even began. Bangladesh would almost instantly be on the defense if war erupted even if the quality/training of its military matched that of India. The strategic situation as pointed out by @viva_zhao is too precarious ...
Even if Bangladesh can not cut the corridor, still can significantly disrupt the communication and reinforcement through that corridor. Only a single 4 lane highway and a rail line is connecting main land India with North east through that corridor. Heavy artillary and MRLS bombing can do significant damage to that communication line provided that Bangladesh achieve some sort of military parity in that particular region. In that case Indian mainland and North East would be forced to function as a separate war theatre with minimal or no reinforcement in north east. While Bangladesh would function as a single war theatre with much shorter logistics and supply line. Much like Israel get the logistics advantage in it's war with surrounding Arab countries.

Now the question is whether Bangladesh ever can hope to achieve some sort of parity? We are not talking about achieving parity with entire India. Neither it is possible for Bangladesh nor required. Much of India's man and materials deployed in western and northern sides of India facing Pakistan and China's Western Tibet. Indian eastern command is the military district which we need to take account because it's task is to defend India's eastern flank against China or other countries in the East. Now in eastern command, India has 9 division troops in it's army and Air Force deployed 175 fighter jet, many of them are Mig-21 which will need replacement.

Now Bangladesh with it's 10 division army already achieved parity in man power with Eastern command, but we still have gap in army eqiupments which is expected to be addressed in near future. For air force, Bangladesh is currently no match for Indian eastern command. But we have firm goal of maintaining 160, 4+ generation fighter jet by 2030. If it materialize which is very likely considering our procurement trends, then Bangladesh will achieve air parity also. You may say, India will reinforce from other part of the country, yes but not much because of compulsion of guarding against China and Pakistan there and the vast distance involved. So, if Bangladesh can achieve military parity with India's eastern command, then Bangladesh will achieve credible deterrence against them. Our current goal is to achieve that, and our armed forces are working on it.

Lastly, I am again clearing my position, I am not talking about defeating India or achieving overall military parity with them. Our motto is, 'We may not win against India, but we will also not allow them to win against us easily'. This is our deterrence.
 
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They can do what they like....pakistan is here to stay. They can sniff indian buddies as much as they like. The indians now know how battle hardened and focused our country's armed forces are. And Hassina and modi and even make babies and it will make no difference to pakistan.


Well you jumped in to defend you gay friend MC didnt you without understanding.
It was only you who said you have not family in BD "because of your lot". Pointing a finger at Pakistan. So sad you were missed... report me again....go on

@AgNoStiC MuSliM see he is at it again...I am gonna slap him. Yiu guys need to control the indian vermin spewing crap here

People like this want attention from us. Ignoring them is the biggest slap in the face.

Stay focused. I, and other Pakistanis, are with you.


It is nice map but I don't know why Khalistan is so big, I guess a Sikh dreamer made the map.

I think the biggest beneficiaries will be Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Kashmir as we have bourne the most bloodshed from Indian terrorism in the past decades.
 
Make sense.

BD is beneficiary of India's weakness. India is pressuring Pakistan, and try to confront China by pretending on west side.

BD geography is very flat. There is no way BD can resist India full pressure. So it's in BD national core interest to keep India on Pakistan and China affairs.

BD can leverage those advantage to get concession from India, especially a WATER TREATY.


Because your government do understand how dangerous India can be. Your country is surrounded by India. Even your navy is under India navy shadow.
I am BD supporter. A independent BD, just like independent Pakistan is in China's interest.

That's why China would like to invest in both Pakistan and BD.

China just dislike India hegemony in South Asia. and all South Asia countries including Bhutan need China to balance India pressure. So it's win-win.


Pakistan and all South Asia countries will be safe when India explode.
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To be honest, for BD the future is grim in both ways. BD is actually surrounded on all sides by latent enemies that will try to vanquish it or force its ideology on it whenever they get a chance. Imagine if China wins this game, BD will be in a tense situation with Myanmar, who are reckless and aggressive. China will promote a communist agenda if it suits them in BD. BD will have Pakistan to deal with too who in their hearts have still not forgotten East Pakistan. So they will be dealing with a lot of issues. Myanmar, Nepal , China will be anything but soft to a populated but tiny Muslim country that is on its own. And on the other hand, India is a Hindu fascist nation. They don’t like Muslims. They have a good relationship with BD now but may have secret intentions of a push into bd for a greater Bengal dream or watever. So we are screwed both ways. India is an ally I don’t ever trust. They will become more and more aggressive and anti Muslim as the years go by and will try to force their will on BD. I don’t trust China either. I always thought BD was in a geographically safe spot, I don’t know about that anymore tbh
 
You are wrong here. We actually wish BD to cede more territory from Indians and punish Burma appropriately.
You are wrong here. We actually wish BD to cede more territory from Indians and punish Burma appropriately.

I don’t doubt that. All I’m saying is there will be some uneasy-ness still. Because history has influence in everything. 99% of Bangladeshis support the Liberation war of 71 and the cessation. But 90% Bangladeshis also want Pakistan to Kick India’s *** Nd reclaim Kashmir. So do u guys in case of BD - Myanmar conflict. I think the main hurdle for BD Pakistan future Bi lateral prospect is TRUST. Deep down the two nations want each other to succeed but there is doubts and trust issues that may be the biggest obstacles
 
I don’t doubt that. All I’m saying is there will be some uneasy-ness still. Because history has influence in everything. 99% of Bangladeshis support the Liberation war of 71 and the cessation. But 90% Bangladeshis also want Pakistan to Kick India’s *** Nd reclaim Kashmir. So do u guys in case of BD - Myanmar conflict. I think the main hurdle for BD Pakistan future Bi lateral prospect is TRUST. Deep down the two nations want each other to succeed but there is doubts and trust issues that may be the biggest obstacles
Most people in the subcontinent have their minds tainted by stupid arguments serially repeated by elders.
Bhutto and mujeed ur Rahman were both traitors to pakistan and their people dealt with them appropriately. One was hung and the other shot.
Future generations have to look past the cloud of nationalism. Single nations can no longer be great. Even america like Rome of the past needs its dogs like UK to fight its wars. Only us stupid muslims are still tribal and wave the flag not understanding the american states combined to form america. European were killing each other just 80 years ago and now they are one. But muslims we just have such stupid rulers and even more stupid awam that we will not understand this in our lives.
 
To be honest, for BD the future is grim in both ways. BD is actually surrounded on all sides by latent enemies that will try to vanquish it or force its ideology on it whenever they get a chance. Imagine if China wins this game, BD will be in a tense situation with Myanmar, who are reckless and aggressive. China will promote a communist agenda if it suits them in BD. BD will have Pakistan to deal with too who in their hearts have still not forgotten East Pakistan. So they will be dealing with a lot of issues. Myanmar, Nepal , China will be anything but soft to a populated but tiny Muslim country that is on its own. And on the other hand, India is a Hindu fascist nation. They don’t like Muslims. They have a good relationship with BD now but may have secret intentions of a push into bd for a greater Bengal dream or watever. So we are screwed both ways. India is an ally I don’t ever trust. They will become more and more aggressive and anti Muslim as the years go by and will try to force their will on BD. I don’t trust China either. I always thought BD was in a geographically safe spot, I don’t know about that anymore tbh
No. One thing I can assure you. China hate exporting Communist ideology. It's not in our interest. Most importantly, China is not a communist country at all.
US call us State Capitalist. Haha.
 
Here's an exhibit of this user, he calls Bengalis Hindus and Indians, defames the country, calls us out for being dark skinned and you'll even find out why he is so irked by Bangladesh in the below quotes.

He can't bear to see BD's economic growth, probably the kind of guy who looks at photos of Islamabad thinking all of Pakistan is the same as a puny prestige city purpose built for a capital.

And sensible Pakistanis are backing a user like this pffft.

Note all these quotes were directed and Bangladeshi Muslim users not Indians, because bashing Indians is excusable as per forum's Defacto rules.

This kind of users get free hand on PDF? These are only two pages I could sort thorough, for posts on this sub forum and referring to Bangladeshis. Make a broader search and who this person really is comes to fo
So from all I wrote dhanmandi was all you recognised....missed the other places like tribal etc.

This is a waste of time. Have a nice day . So disappointing
youre a time waste. Good day. End of discussion
 

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