Bangladesh want Teesta river treaty for diplomatic support for India.

[surya kiran]

Irrespective of whether BD supports India against Pakistan, we should provide support and relief as an when required to BD. Sames goes with Nepal, Bhutan, SL, Maldives and Myanmar.

Much more can be done by us to help these countries and at the same time progress ourselves. These are friendlies and we should provide all infrastructural facilities for them.

 

[extra terrestrial]

How has India has been the sole beneficiary. If BD wants to have a lovey dovey relation with Pakistan she is free to do. Anti India sentiments doesn't matter until there is check on illegal migration and most importantly terror support. Land agreement was in favour of Bangladesh and the BD govt is rational unlike the jingoistic keyboard warrior current generation high on ummah dose.

The way BD is behaving India will have no option but to follow a carrot and sticks policy if it continues with India hatred. BD should arrange for water from Indus or Yangtze from China.

Would like to know more how is it one side affair and how exactly is India beneficiary? So far I see Indian govt. giving too generously without getting anything in return but few political statements.

You(most Bangladeshi) will be anti-Pakistan irrespective of India asking it or not cuz of your own history. I am not even counting the cheap ads your mainstream media produce against Indian cricketers (well it damages Bangladesh image too bad cuz of the status cricket have over Indian citizens).


Its not just land boundary settlement but it all started when India started hunting terrorists that spread terror in Bangladesh. What do we get in return? I am not talking about aid or political statements, tell me something significant Bangladesh is giving to India (maybe I missed something).

Well, I guess there is a huge lack of information among the general Indians on Bangladesh-India relations. Not surprising as according to the Indian members here, the media there hardly showcases these bilateral issues...

First, lets take a look at the transit issue... Bangladesh has allowed the transit to the Northeast India at nominal fees, taking a toll on the repayment of the billions of dollars of loans for the infrastructural development to ensure the transit... While, it will also have wider implications on the fact that Bangladesh is poised to lose a chunk of the Northeast market given its easier communication system with the mainland India...

Second, the huge trade deficit... Bangladeshi market is largely open with very few tariff barriers but the Indian market is highly difficult to penetrate... Even if you get away with the tariffs of the central govt. (in this case India did allow quota free entry for some Bangladeshi products) , you need to pay the state tariffs, then there are other non-avoidable tariffs like the anti-dumping duty... Plus, there are a number of non-tariff barriers. Those involved with the export-import business between Bangladesh and India know that the Indian land ports and customs are highly fussy when Bangladeshi products try to enter India while the Indian exports to Bangladesh face no such troubles... Such situations create an unequal competition for business of both the countries and thus, the trade deficit...

Third, water sharing of trans-boundary rivers... Desertification in the Northwest of Bangladesh is occurring in full swing while the saline intrusion has reached central Bangladesh - all because of the drying rivers which flow from India. Now we are also hearing about the Indian River Linking Project which will further exacerbate the situation...

Third, the security issue... Bangladesh has busted perhaps all the militant bases of the Indian separatist groups existing in the country and also launched counter operations against them. Now, it has created an uncertain security condition in the country given that some of those separatist groups (i.e. ULFA) are now threatening to attack Bangladesh... Besides, the entire Northeast India has been turned grossly anti-Bangladeshi through cheap political propaganda where even the Indian PM was involved...

Fourth, the border killings... India does have a logic but killing unarmed poor villagers without any judicial process just because they have 'smuggled' cattle from India is really hard to accept...

I hope now you understand the concerns...

 

[el che]

India is the Bogeyman, Banga is not. You are always welcome. Come and Have some Hilsha in Durga Puja.

Please dont consider India as a bogeyman. Long live India BD relation and prosperity to both the countries. Thanks for the invitation. My ancestry is from Barishal-Fardipur. Would like to visit BD sometimes.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

First, lets take a look at the transit issue... Bangladesh has allowed the transit to the Northeast India at nominal fees, taking a toll on the repayment of the billions of dollars of loans for the infrastructural development to ensure the transit...

Are you serious? what nominal fees? make it $50,000 per entry and say you did favor on Bangladesh. How pathetic. Fees is decided by feasibility not by favors. You did no favors instead charging what is feasible. If you charge high we will use own route and it will be same. So its pure business, just wondering why is it so hard to understand!

Try increasing the fees if you think its a favor and see how many trucks use that route. You will understand.

While, it will also have wider implications on the fact that Bangladesh is poised to lose a chunk of the Northeast market given its easier communication system with the mainland India...

So Bangladeshi goods are cheaper in Northeast after import duty and after Indian trucks pass thru Bangladesh paying transit fees which they were not paying before they are suddenly cheaper than Bangladeshi products?

and please let me know is North East Bangladeshi territory or Indian? giving our market to other nation is favor or business?

Second, the huge trade deficit... Bangladeshi market is largely open with very few tariff barriers but the Indian market is highly difficult to penetrate... Even if you get away with the tariffs of the central govt. (in this case India did allow quota free entry for some Bangladeshi products) , you need to pay the state tariffs, then there are other non-avoidable tariffs like the anti-dumping duty... Plus, there are a number of non-tariff barriers. Those involved with the export-import business between Bangladesh and India know that the Indian land ports and customs are highly fussy when Bangladeshi products try to enter India while the Indian exports to Bangladesh face no such troubles... Such situations create an unequal competition for business of both the countries and thus, the trade deficit...

I asked what is Bangladesh giving us and you say trade deficit? India-China trade deficit is around $50 Billion dollars in favor of China does Indians say Indian govt. giving favors to China? When will you guys grow up?

All other things you mention about tariff barriers and other is pure Bull$hit (sorry but that is exactly what it is). If you have the slightest idea of WTO and how things work in international arena you won't say any of it. You can challenge even a single tariff increase forget creating trade trouble in WTO and win with fine easily if its true.

Infact Bangladesh is the low-middle income country which given extra benefits reserved for very poor countries(low-income countries) by WTO even when they are out of that low-income group. (This is favor on you, not by India but by world).

How pathetic it would sound if India start calling we are doing favor to Chinese cuz of trade deficit according to your logic.

Third, water sharing of trans-boundary rivers... Desertification in the Northwest of Bangladesh is occurring in full swing while the saline intrusion has reached central Bangladesh - all because of the drying rivers which flow from India. Now we are also hearing about the Indian River Linking Project which will further exacerbate the situation.

Bangladesh got one of the highest per capita water in world and you cry about water when all major rivers of India goes into Bangladesh and India itself in the lower bottom of per capita water availability. What do you want India to dry up full and give all its water to you?

You already have more than enough. Why dont you start reading a bit instead of believing every bull$hit of internet trolls or wherever you are getting this stuff.

Third, the security issue... Bangladesh has busted perhaps all the militant bases of the Indian separatist groups existing in the country and also launched counter operations against them.

Wow! thats amazing, BTW what were those militant doing in your country in first place? Is it favor to end crime? or are you trying to be what Pakistan is for Afghanistan?

Its your international duty, if you create problem for us, we can create more. If you bust our militants we bust yours.

Now, it has created an uncertain security condition in the country given that some of those separatist groups (i.e. ULFA) are now threatening to attack Bangladesh...

I can assure for full support of India whatever it is, intellegence, military, financial whatever. If your country is afraid of petty criminals I guess you are in wrong place.

Besides, the entire Northeast India has been turned grossly anti-Bangladeshi through cheap political propaganda where even the Indian PM was involved...

Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants and smuggling is a huge problem thats the reason it is supported by entire north east dont you think?

Fourth, the border killings... India does have a logic but killing unarmed poor villagers without any judicial process just because they have 'smuggled' cattle from India is really hard to accept...

Well, I am with you on this. Its little harsh to directly kill smugglers from a neighboring country and the country you wish to be your friend. Even when its made clear to shoot at sight I think it must not be implemented and hope my govt. repeal that rule. They even return Pakistani villagers or stranger its very harsh to kill Bangladeshi smugglers right away.

Well, I guess there is a huge lack of information among the general Indians on Bangladesh-India relations. Not surprising as according to the Indian members here, the media there hardly showcases these bilateral issues...

I guess you forgot to do the homework before blaming others. Its natural the media do fear mongering in small nations about bigger nations but in todays world facts are not that hard to know. Just use google once before believing in any such propaganda it will save your time.

 

[el che]

Well, I guess there is a huge lack of information among the general Indians on Bangladesh-India relations. Not surprising as according to the Indian members here, the media there hardly showcases these bilateral issues...

First, lets take a look at the transit issue... Bangladesh has allowed the transit to the Northeast India at nominal fees, taking a toll on the repayment of the billions of dollars of loans for the infrastructural development to ensure the transit... While, it will also have wider implications on the fact that Bangladesh is poised to lose a chunk of the Northeast market given its easier communication system with the mainland India...

Second, the huge trade deficit... Bangladeshi market is largely open with very few tariff barriers but the Indian market is highly difficult to penetrate... Even if you get away with the tariffs of the central govt. (in this case India did allow quota free entry for some Bangladeshi products) , you need to pay the state tariffs, then there are other non-avoidable tariffs like the anti-dumping duty... Plus, there are a number of non-tariff barriers. Those involved with the export-import business between Bangladesh and India know that the Indian land ports and customs are highly fussy when Bangladeshi products try to enter India while the Indian exports to Bangladesh face no such troubles... Such situations create an unequal competition for business of both the countries and thus, the trade deficit...

Third, water sharing of trans-boundary rivers... Desertification in the Northwest of Bangladesh is occurring in full swing while the saline intrusion has reached central Bangladesh - all because of the drying rivers which flow from India. Now we are also hearing about the Indian River Linking Project which will further exacerbate the situation...

Third, the security issue... Bangladesh has busted perhaps all the militant bases of the Indian separatist groups existing in the country and also launched counter operations against them. Now, it has created an uncertain security condition in the country given that some of those separatist groups (i.e. ULFA) are now threatening to attack Bangladesh... Besides, the entire Northeast India has been turned grossly anti-Bangladeshi through cheap political propaganda where even the Indian PM was involved...

Fourth, the border killings... India does have a logic but killing unarmed poor villagers without any judicial process just because they have 'smuggled' cattle from India is really hard to accept...

I hope now you understand the concerns...

Thanks to BD if it provides an alternate route to the north east. I cant talk problems faced with customs department with regards to import export from BD. The taxation while goods are from within the country will improve with implementation of GST.

The river linking is a very ambitious project and I dont think it will ever materialize. Land allocation, environmental, technical and financial problems pose insurmountable challenges. But lets be practical India needs power and water and with global warming, the flow of the rivers is bound to reduce. BD also will have to build reservoirs where it can store the surplus water during monsoons.

With high population density and lack of employment in BD, the poor people have no other option but to migrate to India for their livelihood. This issue will be there. With north east, they are conscious of their ethnicity and demography and it is not only a propaganda.

 

[extra terrestrial]

Are you serious? what nominal fees? make it $50,000 per entry and say you did favor on Bangladesh. How pathetic. Fees is decided by feasibility not by favors. You did no favors instead charging what is feasible. If you charge high we will use own route and it will be same. So its pure business, just wondering why is it so hard to understand!

Try increasing the fees if you think its a favor and see how many trucks use that route. You will understand.



So Bangladeshi goods are cheaper in Northeast after import duty and after Indian trucks pass thru Bangladesh paying transit fees which they were not paying before they are suddenly cheaper than Bangladeshi products?

and please let me know is North East Bangladeshi territory or Indian? giving our market to other nation is favor or business?




I asked what is Bangladesh giving us and you say trade deficit? India-China trade deficit is around $50 Billion dollars in favor of China does Indians say Indian govt. giving favors to China? When will you guys grow up?

All other things you mention about tariff barriers and other is pure Bull$hit (sorry but that is exactly what it is). If you have the slightest idea of WTO and how things work in international arena you won't say any of it. You can challenge even a single tariff increase forget creating trade trouble in WTO and win with fine easily if its true.

Infact Bangladesh is the low-middle income country which given extra benefits reserved for very poor countries(low-income countries) by WTO even when they are out of that low-income group. (This is favor on you, not by India but by world).

How pathetic it would sound if India start calling we are doing favor to Chinese cuz of trade deficit according to your logic.

Bangladesh got one of the highest per capita water in world and you cry about water when all major rivers of India goes into Bangladesh and India itself in the lower bottom of per capita water availability. What do you want India to dry up full and give all its water to you?

You already have more than enough. Why dont you start reading a bit instead of believing every bull$hit of internet trolls or wherever you are getting this stuff.





Wow! thats amazing, BTW what were those militant doing in your country in first place? Is it favor to end crime? or are you trying to be what Pakistan is for Afghanistan?

Its your international duty, if you create problem for us, we can create more. If you bust our militants we bust yours.




I can assure for full support of India whatever it is, intellegence, military, financial whatever. If your country is afraid of petty criminals I guess you are in wrong place.




Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants and smuggling is a huge problem thats the reason it is supported by entire north east dont you think?




Well, I am with you on this. Its little harsh to directly kill smugglers from a neighboring country and the country you wish to be your friend. Even when its made clear to shoot at sight I think it must not be implemented and hope my govt. repeal that rule. They even return Pakistani villagers or stranger its very harsh to kill Bangladeshi smugglers right away.




I guess you forgot to do the homework before blaming others. Its natural the media do fear mongering in small nations about bigger nations but in todays world facts are not that hard to know. Just use google once before believing in any such propaganda it will save your time.

You do have a reasoning issue... I was trying to point out the facilities Bangladesh has provided to India at the cost of its own advantage...

The transit fee was proposed at Tk 1,058 per tonne by Bangladesh Tariff Commission but was fixed at Tk 192 a tonne, http://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/transit-fee-too-low-1239754 Now I let it to your reasoning ability to judge whether its a compromise or a sacrifice...

Northeast is ofcourse Indian territory, what I said was we could have lived without providing the transit as then the people of Northeast would find the mainland Indian products more expensive due to the longer route to reach the area and would have turned towards Bangladeshi products. In fact Bangladeshi businessmen have already raised their concerns over the transshipment facility to India... http://www.thedailystar.net/business/exports-northeast-india-may-fall-transhipment-1243009

Clauses of WTO treaty or any other international treaties are quite vague which states use at their own advantage... WTO hasn't really helped the LDCs... It's the national and regional trade policies which help the LDCs... Ground realities are quite different from what you find in text books...

The trade deficit is not the issue, rather the barrier that creates the deficit is the issue... read my earlier post again to understand them...

I don't know where did you find the map... in any case, the figure is 12 years old... You don't need to believe me... Just google "water security in Bangladesh" and you'll get tons of issues, explained by international experts, resulting from India's unilateral water-withdrawal from transboundary rivers...

With all honesty, the separatist movements in India are completely its internal matter... We don't bear any responsibility unless you can prove that we have been training or supplying the militants which we never did... But not only we launched the counter-operations against those militants but also embraced the threat of attacks from them... Every country thrives for national interests... Here, our national interest would have been best secured if we continued to play neutrality towards those separatist movements...

Its natural the media do fear mongering in small nations about bigger nations but in todays world facts are not that hard to know.

^Such comments really kill the very spirit of these discussions as it shows you have a premeditated mindset... The natural response would have been showing the gestures provided by India to Bangladesh but your reply suggests there isn't any...

Thanks to BD if it provides an alternate route to the north east. I cant talk problems faced with customs department with regards to import export from BD. The taxation while goods are from within the country will improve with implementation of GST.

The river linking is a very ambitious project and I dont think it will ever materialize. Land allocation, environmental, technical and financial problems pose insurmountable challenges. But lets be practical India needs power and water and with global warming, the flow of the rivers is bound to reduce. BD also will have to build reservoirs where it can store the surplus water during monsoons.

With high population density and lack of employment in BD, the poor people have no other option but to migrate to India for their livelihood. This issue will be there. With north east, they are conscious of their ethnicity and demography and it is not only a propaganda.

Well, going with the media reports, it looks like the river linking project is set to start soon... As for the reservoir, we have proposed to build the Ganges Barrage, however, India has objected it...

I do believe there is no more illegal migration from Bangladesh to India as the living standard has improved a lot... The people getting killed at the border are only cattle smugglers... Also, I guess there needs to be proper awareness about ethnic and communal harmony in the Northeast. States like Assam always had a sizable Bengali Muslim minority since the British period who settled those Bengalis in the area... In fact, these Bengalis were the forerunners in agricultural production in the harsh terrains of the state... You can search the British gazetteers on Assam, they are full of praise on how these Bengali farmers worked relentlessly to cultivate in the hilly terrains... If you look at the history, even Bengal has witnessed the worst communal riots during the partition but Assam was totally free from such events... However, from the last few decades we have seen communal and ethnic tensions have surged up in the state... There must be a reason... The political propaganda are simply exacerbating the situation...

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

The transit fee was proposed at Tk 1,058 per tonne by Bangladesh Tariff Commission but was fixed at Tk 192 a tonne, http://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/transit-fee-too-low-1239754 Now I let it to your reasoning ability to judge whether its a compromise or a sacrifice...

Fix it 1,000 tk and see the result yourself, the best way will be to learn the hard way. Feasibility is something hard to understand by people driven with blind prejudice.

Northeast is ofcourse Indian territory, what I said was we could have lived without providing the transit as then the people of Northeast would find the mainland Indian products more expensive due to the longer route to reach the area and would have turned towards Bangladeshi products. In fact Bangladeshi businessmen have already raised their concerns over the transshipment facility to India... http://www.thedailystar.net/business/exports-northeast-india-may-fall-transhipment-1243009

The cost to North East is bound to decrease with increasing rail connectivity irrespective of transit trade. Its just a few hundred KM not few thousands that it will make Indian goods noncompetitive. Also North East area is big enough to cater for own needs in most of the fields without depending upon imports or West India.

Your argument about exporting to Indian North East become so laughable when you see the trade figures. The total exports to India from Bangladesh is just $500 Million in 2014, how much that goes to North East will be even smaller cuz the quantity you export are mainly textile related which is consumed more in West India than North East. Here is the image showing your total exports to India.

Thats what happens when you put empty rhetoric than facts.

Clauses of WTO treaty or any other international treaties are quite vague which states use at their own advantage... WTO hasn't really helped the LDCs... It's the national and regional trade policies which help the LDCs... Ground realities are quite different from what you find in text books...

A typical victim syndrome when facts dont work. Again useless rhetoric, no facts.

The trade deficit is not the issue, rather the barrier that creates the deficit is the issue... read my earlier post again to understand them...
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Do you even know why WTO exists or know only to cry without any facts at all? Not a single unfair tariff can withstand by international rules but that will actually require reading something factual instead of churning out BS theories without any facts.

I don't know where did you find the map... in any case, the figure is 12 years old... You don't need to believe me... Just google "water security in Bangladesh" and you'll get tons of issues, explained by international experts, resulting from India's unilateral water-withdrawal from transboundary rivers...

Tons of issues? Why not you start with Water security in India? Being at the top of water availability you are asking a nation at the bottom of water availability about "water security"?

You are completely out of sense here. How can we send more water to you when we dont have enough for ourself and you already got more than enough and much much much more than us?

With all honesty, the separatist movements in India are completely its internal matter... We don't bear any responsibility unless you can prove that we have been training or supplying the militants which we never did... But not only we launched the counter-operations against those militants but also embraced the threat of attacks from them... Every country thrives for national interests... Here, our national interest would have been best secured if we continued to play neutrality towards those separatist movements...

What a pathetic sense of mind! Our internal matter? so what they are doing in your country?

You are right you should be neutral to them, but just remember the very existence of your nation or your forefathers and women not raped is cuz India didnt let it to be internal matter of Pakistan in 71 else even today you will washing off dirty laundry of Pakistan cuz thats what they always considered you worth for and today you are talking about "internal issue".

Not only that its your international obligation to turn down any terrorist residing in your territory. Why dont you start being neutral to them and see how much neutral we become when Pakistan again makes you slaves, infact we should help them this time with this kind of attitude.

^Such comments really kill the very spirit of these discussions as it shows you have a premeditated mindset... The natural response would have been showing the gestures provided by India to Bangladesh but your reply suggests there isn't any...

Telling that media always do fear mongering is killing spirit of argument? Well thats new to me. Who had the comprehension issues? come again? Or did calling you small nation hurt your insecure ego? Well you are a small nation, infact a tiny one and if I am not very harsh a pretty insignificant one in world. Even Nepal got Mount Everest, Maldives great beaches what exactly you offer to world is yet to know.

I was talking about Media but your bruised ego cant digest a single fact. Even India is small very small country when it comes to Giant China. Its amazing how insecure you really are that you can twist any topic about media to your own ego and get hurt.

 

[extra terrestrial]

Fix it 1,000 tk and see the result yourself, the best way will be to learn the hard way. Feasibility is something hard to understand by people driven with blind prejudice.



The cost to North East is bound to decrease with increasing rail connectivity irrespective of transit trade. Its just a few hundred KM not few thousands that it will make Indian goods noncompetitive. Also North East area is big enough to cater for own needs in most of the fields without depending upon imports or West India.

Your argument about exporting to Indian North East become so laughable when you see the trade figures. The total exports to India from Bangladesh is just $500 Million in 2014, how much that goes to North East will be even smaller cuz the quantity you export are mainly textile related which is consumed more in West India than North East. Here is the image showing your total exports to India.

Thats what happens when you put empty rhetoric than facts.


A typical victim syndrome when facts dont work. Again useless rhetoric, no facts.




Do you even know why WTO exists or know only to cry without any facts at all? Not a single unfair tariff can withstand by international rules but that will actually require reading something factual instead of churning out BS theories without any facts.



Tons of issues? Why not you start with Water security in India? Being at the top of water availability you are asking a nation at the bottom of water availability about "water security"?

You are completely out of sense here. How can we send more water to you when we dont have enough for ourself and you already got more than enough and much much much more than us?



What a pathetic sense of mind! Our internal matter? so what they are doing in your country?

You are right you should be neutral to them, but just remember the very existence of your nation or your forefathers and women not raped is cuz India didnt let it to be internal matter of Pakistan in 71 else even today you will washing off dirty laundry of Pakistan cuz thats what they always considered you worth for and today you are talking about "internal issue".

Not only that its your international obligation to turn down any terrorist residing in your territory. Why dont you start being neutral to them and see how much neutral we become when Pakistan again makes you slaves, infact we should help them this time with this kind of attitude.





Telling that media always do fear mongering is killing spirit of argument? Well thats new to me. Who had the comprehension issues? come again? Or did calling you small nation hurt your insecure ego? Well you are a small nation, infact a tiny one and if I am not very harsh a pretty insignificant one in world. Even Nepal got Mount Everest, Maldives great beaches what exactly you offer to world is yet to know.

I was talking about Media but your bruised ego cant digest a single fact. Even India is small very small country when it comes to Giant China. Its amazing how insecure you really are that you can twist any topic about media to your own ego and get hurt.

Circular logic and all... *Face palm*

You didn't understand a single word of my post, not even the last para and thus your failed attempt to provoke me..

You are also not aware of how things like international trade and geopolitics work...

Anyway, have a nice day...

 

[idune]

You do have a reasoning issue.....

Don't think indian response has anything to do with reason at all. Issue here is submissive tone some Bangladeshis take with india; similar to what you have taken. Because of these type of people, india can exploit Bangladesh and interfere to the point that Bangladeshis can not even elect their own govt.

 

[extra terrestrial]

Don't think indian response has anything to do with reason at all. Issue here is submissive tone some Bangladeshis take with india; similar to what you have taken. Because of these type of people, india can exploit Bangladesh and interfere to the point that Bangladeshis can not even elect their own govt.

Well, sometimes you gotta calm down and listen to what the other person is trying to say and have a constructive discussion... Though here I agree that I was engaging with the wrong person who's not much familiar with these issues... I guess, this subsection now hardly attracts the senior members from other countries...

Hate them or love them, India is our neighbor and we gotta live with it... It's important for us to know their concerns, similarly it's equally important for them to know our concerns...