Bangladesh to China ordered 16 F-7BGI light fighter

[TopCat]

what if enemy have AWACS and ground radars with more then 350km range and very nice interceptors light fighters loaded with tons of BVRs how this fat baby will keep safe in enemy air space ?

Everything has a counter measure.

 

[Zabaniyah]

what if enemy have AWACS and ground radars with more then 350km range and very nice interceptors light fighters loaded with tons of BVRs how this fat baby will keep safe in enemy air space ?

It really depends on the opponent. Our main concern is not India, but Myanmar.

Given that the air force have the right infrastructure and support, they can do well. The F-15 is also a fat baby and yet, it has a flawless combat record.

How the air force organizes itself, along with the right equipment, support and training really matter. The BAF to some extent lacks BVR and netcentric warfare capabilities, so I'd say they have some way to go to be truly world class, capable of holding on its own.

Everything has a counter measure.

And that. Depending on the package and version, the Su-30 can have powerful counter measure systems. Integrating Western systems always raises the bar.

 

[Imran Khan]

Everything has a counter measure.

SU-30 too..........

 

[Major Shaheb]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...navy-pakistan-navy-naval-war.html#post3078516

 

[PlanetSoldier]

It really depends on the opponent. Our main concern is not India, but Myanmar.

Given that the air force have the right infrastructure and support, they can do well. The F-15 is also a fat baby and yet, it has a flawless combat record.

How the air force organizes itself, along with the right equipment, support and training really matter. The BAF to some extent lacks BVR and netcentric warfare capabilities, so I'd say they have some way to go to be truly world class, capable of holding on its own.



And that. Depending on the package and version, the Su-30 can have powerful counter measure systems. Integrating Western systems always raises the bar.

Bangla millennium motto , every BD people should memorize it. Thousand people died within 10 years..draw the clear picture how BD people are passing their lives on indo-Bangla border area. Almost all rivers entering BD are dammed and your main concern is Myanmar not india. How many BD people did Myanmar kill and how much land of BD are currently under Myanmar occupation? Please don't impose your concern on BD people saying our concern, it's definitely your concern.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Bangla millennium motto , every BD people should memorize it. Thousand people died within 10 years..draw the clear picture how BD people are passing their lives on indo-Bangla border area. Almost all rivers entering BD are dammed and your main concern is Myanmar not india. How many BD people did Myanmar kill and how much land of BD are currently under Myanmar occupation? Please don't impose your concern on BD people saying our concern, it's definitely your concern.

Well, what do you suppose we do about India? Match up with them militarily?

Ask yourself:

1. Do we have nuclear weapons? - No.

2. Would we be able to access nuclear weapon technology? - Maybe possible, but very difficult these days.

3. Can we generally match them with technology? - We are at least 10 years behind in terms of technology.

4. Do we have the resources? - No.

5. Do we have the relevant links to contain India considering we are surrounded by it? - No.

Are there other options? Yes.

The reason for problems with India are:

1. Lack of international diplomatic attempts by the Bangladesh government (both BNP and AL) over water-sharing issues.

2. India shares the largest border with Bangladesh (not China or Pakistan). It is not easy to monitor the whole thing. And that is a challenge.

3. The problems at the border is partly related to the enclaves issue. Neither government is willing to solve it. The last time we exchanged enclaves, India gained a lot more land.

4. Both BSF and BGB have links with underground organizations specializing in human trafficking and cattle trade. Neither party is doing anything about it. And I believe some top levels benefit from all the shenanigans going on there.

As I said, it is lack of diplomatic initiative on Bangladesh's part regarding India. And there would be international laws dictating them. This especially relates to the water issue, and they better get to that fast.

As for securing the border, that is the job of the BGB and coast guard - not the army, air force or navy. But then, solving the outstanding issues is the job of governments of both countries.

 

[livingdead]

Bangla millennium motto , every BD people should memorize it. Thousand people died within 10 years..draw the clear picture how BD people are passing their lives on indo-Bangla border area. Almost all rivers entering BD are dammed and your main concern is Myanmar not india. How many BD people did Myanmar kill and how much land of BD are currently under Myanmar occupation? Please don't impose your concern on BD people saying our concern, it's definitely your concern.

Out of 1000 people, 500 are Indians.
Bangladeshis here will rather lie to themselves than find a solution to the issue.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Well, what do you suppose we do about India? Match up with them militarily?

Ask yourself:

1. Do we have nuclear weapons? - No.

2. Would we be able to access nuclear weapon technology? - Maybe possible, but very difficult these days.

3. Can we generally match them with technology? - We are at least 10 years behind in terms of technology.

4. Do we have the resources? - No.

5. Do we have the relevant links to contain India considering we are surrounded by it? - No.

Are there other options? Yes.

The reason for problems with India are:

1. Lack of international diplomatic attempts by the Bangladesh government (both BNP and AL) over water-sharing issues.

2. India shares the largest border with Bangladesh (not China or Pakistan). It is not easy to monitor the whole thing. And that is a challenge.

3. The problems at the border is partly related to the enclaves issue. Neither government is willing to solve it. The last time we exchanged enclaves, India gained a lot more land.

4. Both BSF and BGB have links with underground organizations specializing in human trafficking and cattle trade. Neither party is doing anything about it. And I believe some top levels benefit from all the shenanigans going on there.

As I said, it is lack of diplomatic initiative on Bangladesh's part regarding India. And there would be international laws dictating them. This especially relates to the water issue, and they better get to that fast.

As for securing the border, that is the job of the BGB and coast guard - not the army, air force or navy. But then, solving the outstanding issues is the job of governments of both countries.

Why do we need a matching military with india? Even Sri Lanka is now raising voice against them, do they possess a matching military with india? Geographically they are more vulnerable to india than us. We have in the neighborhood some other nations but Sri Lanka is completely isolated. Anytime an indian naval blockade can shut their mouth. Again, look at Pakistan...does its force match in military strength of india based on number other than that nuke? Only thing is they are smart enough. Size doesn't matter a lot otherwise there'd be no israel on earth...it's all willingness to survive as the best.

You yourself drew a longer list, then why are you saying our main concern is Myanmar? Does that mean we are no match, not capable in muscle power, so we'll escape the main point and start playing with false enemy? What real problem do we have with Myanmar? Well...you or many others will start arguing there sectarian riot, Nasaka/Police oppression over Rohingya etc. But I'd say it's their internal issue. We can give shelter those oppressed fellas and if possible help them covertly as there are many examples in the world like our 71. Trust me, no such internal issues have been solved by attacking rather covert actions have been taken and that without harming friendship. Also, there are much higher degree of torture going on inside india in Kashmir, NE states that don't see any media light by special act. Do we have any headache over that? No...we are after Myanmar coz we don't have the capability against our big friend.

Many here are shouting to go military way or something like that against Myanmar for Rohingya issue but didn't see a Bangladeshi who is asking to save our own people at any cost who are dying everyday at border. To raise your voice against you don't need military match.

Myanmar had its proper lesson in 91 when they found locked from almost all side after a confrontation with BD, they'll not do something bad again unless their current master persuade them. But our main concern is no way Myanmar rather india at least before Myanmar does something that could be a cause of our concern and india has already done a lot that now should be every BD peoples' concern. Need a demo ? Just shoot 2 indian on border in response of killing one Bangladeshi, you will surely see what's the main concern of BD. By any means keeping mouth shut or escaping real thing isn't the right way.

BTW, we are on the same page regarding our leadership and diplomatic capability.

 

[TopCat]

Why do we need a matching military with india? Even Sri Lanka is now raising voice against them, do they possess a matching military with india? Geographically they are more vulnerable to india than us. We have in the neighborhood some other nations but Sri Lanka is completely isolated. Anytime an indian naval blockade can shut their mouth. Again, look at Pakistan...does its force match in military strength of india based on number other than that nuke? Only thing is they are smart enough. Size doesn't matter a lot otherwise there'd be no israel on earth...it's all willingness to survive as the best.

You yourself drew a longer list, then why are you saying our main concern is Myanmar? Does that mean we are no match, not capable in muscle power, so we'll escape the main point and start playing with false enemy? What real problem do we have with Myanmar? Well...you or many others will start arguing there sectarian riot, Nasaka/Police oppression over Rohingya etc. But I'd say it's their internal issue. We can give shelter those oppressed fellas and if possible help them covertly as there are many examples in the world like our 71. Trust me, no such internal issues have been solved by attacking rather covert actions have been taken and that without harming friendship. Also, there are much higher degree of torture going on inside india in Kashmir, NE states that don't see any media light by special act. Do we have any headache over that? No...we are after Myanmar coz we don't have the capability against our big friend.

Many here are shouting to go military way or something like that against Myanmar for Rohingya issue but didn't see a Bangladeshi who is asking to save our own people at any cost who are dying everyday at border. To raise your voice against you don't need military match.

Myanmar had its proper lesson in 91 when they found locked from almost all side after a confrontation with BD, they'll not do something bad again unless their current master persuade them. But our main concern is no way Myanmar rather india at least before Myanmar does something that could be a cause of our concern and india has already done a lot that now should be every BD peoples' concern. Need a demo ? Just shoot 2 indian on border in response of killing one Bangladeshi, you will surely see what's the main concern of BD. By any means keeping mouth shut or escaping real thing isn't the right way.

BTW, we are on the same page regarding our leadership and diplomatic capability.

Taking all your points into account, you need to first make full air and naval superiority over Myanmar only to counter India. Myanmar will be a trouble maker all the time unless you let them know that you can crash them on your will. Once you achieve that objective you are one less head to worry about and can concentrate more on India. The good part of India, they will try to avoid any military confrontation with Bangladesh and keep on bullying. But with that you will get few more years of breathing space when you build your Airforce.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Why do we need a matching military with india? Even Sri Lanka is now raising voice against them, do they possess a matching military with india? Geographically they are more vulnerable to india than us. We have in the neighborhood some other nations but Sri Lanka is completely isolated. Anytime an indian naval blockade can shut their mouth. Again, look at Pakistan...does its force match in military strength of india based on number other than that nuke? Only thing is they are smart enough. Size doesn't matter a lot otherwise there'd be no israel on earth...it's all willingness to survive as the best.

Getting a bit deep aren't we?

The Sri Lankans are brave, I commend them.

The Pakistanis are cunning, and really know what they are doing in matters of security. But once again, their nukes does make India think twice before doing anything stupid. So that factor matters.

The Israelis are damn smart. Just freaking genius. That's all I can say about them. And they have extremely powerful backers which makes them stronger.

Does our current leadership matrix have any of those? No. We are stuck with the two battling begums, one who's insane and another who doesn't even have a high school degree.

They simply have no strategy whatsoever in matter to anything.

You yourself drew a longer list, then why are you saying our main concern is Myanmar? Does that mean we are no match, not capable in muscle power, so we'll escape the main point and start playing with false enemy? What real problem do we have with Myanmar? Well...you or many others will start arguing there sectarian riot, Nasaka/Police oppression over Rohingya etc. But I'd say it's their internal issue. We can give shelter those oppressed fellas and if possible help them covertly as there are many examples in the world like our 71. Trust me, no such internal issues have been solved by attacking rather covert actions have been taken and that without harming friendship. Also, there are much higher degree of torture going on inside india in Kashmir, NE states that don't see any media light by special act. Do we have any headache over that? No...we are after Myanmar coz we don't have the capability against our big friend.

Ah...Myanmar, Myanmar, Myanmar. Let's see...

See, back in 2011, Myanmar agreed to take back 28,000 Rohingya refugees.
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=34209

Fine. And good for us.

And now, the fighting is displacing over 30,000 people, coupled with dozens of deaths. And they claim that they are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. And viewed with great hostility.

What is the hell going on here?

The UN pressured us to take in more refugees. Okay, fine - and then what? Are the Burmese just going to keep throwing them out at us? Rule #1, refugees are never a permanent solution to anything. And no one right now it pressuring Myanmar over the issue. Perhaps the international community is being patient. The Drama Queen is tight lipped.

See, by the time Myanmar opened its doors to the world, the Burmese clearly appear to have made a lot of enemies. More enemies than friends. And I fear we are one of them, and done so deliberately.

Best to be wary about that country, and we must keep an extremely close eye on them.

I wonder what Tien Sien would say after he visits Dhaka early next month.

Many here are shouting to go military way or something like that against Myanmar for Rohingya issue but didn't see a Bangladeshi who is asking to save our own people at any cost who are dying everyday at border. To raise your voice against you don't need military match.

Myanmar had its proper lesson in 91 when they found locked from almost all side after a confrontation with BD, they'll not do something bad again unless their current master persuade them. But our main concern is no way Myanmar rather india at least before Myanmar does something that could be a cause of our concern and india has already done a lot that now should be every BD peoples' concern. Need a demo ? Just shoot 2 indian on border in response of killing one Bangladeshi, you will surely see what's the main concern of BD. By any means keeping mouth shut or escaping real thing isn't the right way.

BTW, we are on the same page regarding our leadership and diplomatic capability.

Never really said anything about militarily confronting Myanmar myself. Or even instigating a Jihadi insurgency (which was a very, very bad idea).

Just to keep a very close eye on them, and better to see what's actually going on in their country. They are not allowing foreign media access to that region. That's all. And yes, we do need to beef up our air and naval capabilities.

As for India....I don't know....if we shoot them, they'll shoot us more. They don't like to take the brunt of anything. Best is to get to the root of the problem, be it by pen or bullet.

And yes, people have complained about the issue in media. But this government doesn't seem to care. According to one Penguin Party member, the incidents at the border are 'normal'.

This country is technically going through administrative anarchy under the AL.

 

[wild_fire1979]

how much land of BD are currently under Myanmar occupation?

Are you implying that India holds BD land? Care to elaborate which part of India belongs to BD?

 

[chisty_chowdhury]

Moderator's Attention Needed.


This is a thread to discuss the so called advanced F-7BGI. So stop debating about india-myanmar-bangladesh land dispute.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Are you implying that India holds BD land? Care to elaborate which part of India belongs to BD?

Meaningless to one with indian flag...might is right and the solution in this South Asia.

 

[shree835]

Moderator's Attention Needed.


This is a thread to discuss the so called advanced F-7BGI. So stop debating about india-myanmar-bangladesh land dispute.

Advanced Chinese F-7BGI...What is advance in that...???...I believe it is outdated...

 

[shree835]

Here Subject says Bangladesh ordered 16 F-7BGI light fighter ...I believe Govt. wanted to order 7 F-16... by mistake word go reversed and they went to China.