Bangladesh stands by India; slams Pakistan for statement that India interfered during 1971 crisis

[tsinga]

Bangladesh,Sri Lanka and even Nepal are encouraging China to join SAARC.. It was indian butthurt that it created a useless india - bangladesh corridor and offered us to pitch in... Which is of no economic value for us... We have better connectivity by sea to those nations anyways.... Bangladesh isn't even a significant trading partner ours .. Expect for Pakistani investors investing in Bangladesh!

Even in sea, we have agreements like BIMSTEC that does for sea faring nations what BBIN is to land nations.
Even there the countries have refused to have Pakistan join the group - and Sri Lanka is part of it.

Though this is not about connectivity by land or sea, its about agreements that go much beyond what FTA's are.

 

[IND151]

Indeed, see how happily Sri Lanka also joined BIMSTEC, another multilateral grouping India made and excluded Pakistan.

Kindly elaborate

And do provide source.

 

[Spectre]

We have stated the reasons time and again-


1. Quid Pro Quo - The nuclear deal was in exchange of India dropping support for IPI. The term pressure implies India would let go of its interests for foreign powers. Like how Pakistan let IPI go for nothing in exchange.

In our case, we dont accept anyone's pressure. We are far too big a country and too powerful economically and militarily to be under any other country's pressure.

We made a deal which would have given us much more than simple energy supply. Today we buy and sell nuclear technology with the world. And our domestic Uranium is completely for weapon making and experimental research.


2. Iran's pricing.
We conveyed to Iran that their prices were abnormal and far too high. They were benchmarking their gas prices to petrol prices when the gas price index across the world were falling. We even communicated this to Pakistanis, that the deal they are signing is wrong because the world prices on gas are going to continue going down!

3. Pipeline coming through Pakistan is a security threat.
We suggested undersea pipeline, however that was too expensive at the time.

IPI had both pros/cons.

Pros
1. Better relationship with Pak and Iran
2. Oil is still our primary energy source.
3. Too many road blocks in case of nuclear deal - Liability Clause, Risk of accidents, Uranium procurement, Expensive ( Nuclear energy costs somewhat like 10-12 rs per unit in comparison to 2-5 rs for thermal)

Cons
1. Threat of future blackmail by Pakistan and Iran like Russia is blackmailing Ukraine and Germany
2. Worsening relationship with Israel and USA who are turning out to be major defense suppliers

 

[tsinga]

Kindly elaborate

And do provide source.

Have a looksie:
Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hyperion]

Purrana piyar wapas ujagar ho gayya hai...... mera khayyal hai Haseena ko Modi G kee pappi nay barra mazza dillaya....... ram ram........

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Again, who tells you these conspiracy theories?

No, India can build one without Pakistani permission. Pakistan's territorial sea has not extended, only its EEZ has.
Please read up on what EEZ actually means. Neither our trade ships, nor our warships, nor any pipeline we wish to deploy in the Pakistani EEZ needs any permission from Pakistan!

Its like I am educating a 5 year old on International law!

Fo you want me to post the entire article ? it's part of our continental shelf and no you can't build or do anything without our permission .. You tried doing that back in the 90s but you weren't allowed to do so ! For an reason!

On the Iranian oil - yes, Iranian oil is cheaper than others, which is why we kept purchasing Iranian oil and defied US sanctions that stopped everyone else - including Pakistan.

But Iranian gas was not cheap. The gas pricing formula they were using was skewed. The gas prices were falling steadily all around the globe, their formula that they wished us to accept pegged the gas price to the petrol prices.

We are one of the largest buyers of international gas, and we get bulk discounts, we pay much much less on the international markets than retail rates that most countries including Pakistan pays.

We even informed this issue to Pakistanis, who for god knows what reason(political I suspect), chose to completely ignore this.
Take a read:
Iranian gas pipeline: Facts and fiction | Business Line
Complex gas pricing issue in trans-border projects - The Hindu

As I said before, we are far too large a country in size, far too big an economy and far too strong militarily to buckle under anyone's pressure.

Construction is still on .. And the pipeline will be built whether you join it or it...

P.S: you just refuted your own claim ! So much for an argument!

 

[Guynextdoor2]

India's support for freedom movement in a "sovereign" state is good.
Pakistan's support for freedom movement in a "disputed" state is evil.

LOGIC

It stops being your 'internal' problem when you send 10 million refugees our way.

 

[NaMaloom]

Again, who tells you these conspiracy theories?

No, India can build one without Pakistani permission. Pakistan's territorial sea has not extended, only its EEZ has.
Please read up on what EEZ actually means. Neither our trade ships, nor our warships, nor any pipeline we wish to deploy in the Pakistani EEZ needs any permission from Pakistan!

Looks like the 'teacher' on International Law doesn't know jacksh*t himself.

Under UNCLOS III, as far as EEZ goes

Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)
These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometres; 230 miles) from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important. The success of an offshore oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico in 1947 was soon repeated elsewhere in the world, and by 1970 it was technically feasible to operate in waters 4000 metres deep. Foreign nations have the freedom of navigation and overflight, subject to the regulation of the coastal states. Foreign states may also lay submarine pipes and cables.

Now, as far as Pakistan is concerned, its message to India under those rules will be, 'up yours!' Please TRY to lay any undersea cables or pipelines, you will soon realize what you're up against.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Even in sea, we have agreements like BIMSTEC that does for sea faring nations what BBIN is to land nations.
Even there the countries have refused to have Pakistan join the group - and Sri Lanka is part of it.

Though this is not about connectivity by land or sea, its about agreements that go much beyond what FTA's are.

Useless arguement.... Enjoy your time with haseeeena..

 

[Menace2Society]

CPEC is far bigger than a bunch of Mallus exchanging potatoes at the India-BD border.

We are aiming for connectivity with Iran, China, Russia, Turkey.

You be happy trying to connect with Bhutan.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Looks like the 'teacher' on International Law doesn't know jacksh*t himself.

Under UNCLOS III, as far as EEZ goes

Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)
These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometres; 230 miles) from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important. The success of an offshore oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico in 1947 was soon repeated elsewhere in the world, and by 1970 it was technically feasible to operate in waters 4000 metres deep. Foreign nations have the freedom of navigation and overflight, subject to the regulation of the coastal states. Foreign states may also lay submarine pipes and cables.

Now, as far as Pakistan is concerned, its message to India under those rules will be, 'up yours!' Please TRY to lay any undersea cables or pipelines, you will soon realize what you're up against.

I was about to post it but anyhow ... Thanks bro!

 

[pakdefender]

It a great opportunity to declare Mukti Bani as terrorist org , it will bring to fore india's support to terrorists

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

CPEC is far bigger than a bunch of Mallus exchanging potatoes at the India-BD border.

We are aiming for connectivity with Iran, China, Russia, Turkey.

You be happy trying to connect with Bhutan.

Pak-Iran-Tukey freight train service - done.



CPEC corridor and infra - on full swing.


CASA1000 - energy project with Tajikistan.

TAP pipeline.


Iranian refinery fr Gwadar - done.


Road connectivity to Central Asia + CPEC - done.



Rail links to Tajikistan - in process.


In short we will be connecting and facilitating Central Asia,China,Afghanistan and even Iran.


Apart from having rail connectivity to Turkey and EU (God willing).


And a free large capacity deep water port on the busiest trading routes in the world to facilitate all these countries... Thanks to CPEC.

 

[IND151]

Have a looksie:
Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for Info

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Have a looksie:
Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Congrats you now have connectivity with an already connected neighbour ... Bangladesh..