Bangladesh set to join nuclear club

[Species]

Like I said, you are in line for some big butthurt as the negotiations are finished and reality gets implemented.

You can see how much of the "12 billion" final cost gets sent to India in the end ...you will only truly see it over time just like you only see the effects of everything you sign with India down the road (like the current trade deficit).

Russians have little time to hand hold you on everything, they are cooperating on economies of scale with India for a reason....you think they will say no to sourcing materials from those supply chains in India they already collaborated long term with so they can keep more of the net profit they make off you gullible LDC lot for themselves?

You will simply have to piggyback off those supply chains in the region (Russia certainly is not going to invest a large foundry into BD given BD has 0 heritage in casting pretty much anything) for pretty much every component (given the price differentials involved between those and sourcing from Russia itself, a major reason why Russia worked with India long time back in the first place with the region in mind), and that involves a large protracted capital transfer pure and simple.

This is going to be a white elephant to define all white elephants, a one off reactor already projected to be 12 billion lol (is that just the initial capital cost or hopefully final total lifetime cost?) for a LDC lol....when the whole world is hedging on much more bang for the buck technology with much larger capital margins available. BD ego is a funny thing. Anyways its your loss, all our gain. I'm still laughing all this cost you 12 billion dollars....you guys got ripped off badly.

Lol, another low-IQ reply from this stunted faggot.

The news is dated 30 November 2017, and the official said such collaboration is still under negotiation while the construction has already started. Where do you see the negotiations are finished? Or did they shove a copy of the agreement off your arse?

And as I said, only Supa Pawa retards from bharti-land would believe that Russia would offer $12 billion and transfer the business to India. The Russian govt. is providing this loan to create jobs for Russians, not delusional bhartis. Moreover, do you think if India would try to lobby for the project, China would sit still? You know, Russia's cooperation with China is far greater than your 'economies of scale' with India.

Again, stop swallowing everything that your venerated chaiwala Modi feeds you.

 

[Nilgiri]

You know, Russia's cooperation with China is far greater than your 'economies of scale' with India.

Where has Russia and China cooperated on nuclear energy? You do know where China got the basis of its most popular domestic nuclear reactor design right? Hint: Not Russia.

But then you know nothing about nuclear energy or anything requiring a small modicum of intelligence to begin with.

As for the rest of your wailing, thats why I said wait and see. In the end BD always gets shafted on our terms. Its the one consistent thing. Who would have thought all the trade deals you signed in the 90s (promising JV, local assembly promise blah blah blah) would lead to India owning 90%+ of your motorcycle market long term (and just straight up imported directly) today?

You guys simply have no heritage in any industry....there is a frank reason why Russia can charge you 12 billion as daylight robbery in the first place....because you bring nothing substantial to the plate to carry things out in something non-RMG.

 

[bdslph]

nothing special many has this kind of program
u want special make some nuke

hahahaha we cannot India is the one who is controlling everything

 

[Dot]

I personally believe a good amount of specialized equipments would be sourced from India for the project, since the Russian contractor has already been implementing projects there and they have necessary sub-contracts with Indian suppliers. Main equips like reactors, generators and others etc would be sourced from Russia nevertheless. Also Russia is under contract to train about 1500-1600 of our guys and we are also sending more guys to India be be trained as well. I don't see any problem with equipments sourced from India as long as they are as per specs & standard. Also don't forget this Rooppur is a fixed-cost contract.

 

[Species]

Where has Russia and China cooperated on nuclear energy?

Tianwan Nuclear Power Plant uses VVER-1000 reactors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianwan_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Also - https://sputniknews.com/world/201708231056718572-russia-china-nuclear-cooperation/

But then you know nothing about nuclear energy or anything requiring a small modicum of intelligence to begin with.

As for the rest of your wailing, thats why I said wait and see. In the end BD always gets shafted on our terms. Its the one consistent thing. Who would have thought all the trade deals you signed in the 90s (promising JV, local assembly promise blah blah blah) would lead to India owning 90%+ of your motorcycle market long term (and just straight up imported directly) today?

You guys simply have no heritage in any industry....there is a frank reason why Russia can charge you 12 billion as daylight robbery in the first place....because you bring nothing substantial to the plate to carry things out in something non-RMG.

I actually should give it to you as to how you try to stay on an already lost argument and keep on gasping at the straw. This actually goes very well with the national attitude of bhartis in that how you lot keep trying to seek recognition from your white masters but fail miserably and ultimately have to live with the 1000 years of slave heritage that your kind have.

I personally believe a good amount of specialized equipments would be sourced from India for the project, since the Russian contractor has already been implementing projects there and they have necessary sub-contracts with Indian suppliers. Main equips like reactors, generators and others etc would be sourced from Russia nevertheless. Also Russia is under contract to train about 1500-1600 of our guys and we are also sending more guys to India be be trained as well. I don't see any problem with equipments sourced from India as long as they are as per specs & standard. Also don't forget this Rooppur is a fixed-cost contract.

Well, India is not NSG member, so according to the IAEA norms they can't be involved. Also there is no trilateral agreement among Bangladesh, Russia and India to enable India's participation. I guess India's participation in the project would be limited to consultancy services.

As for subcontracts,
We Have Enough Work For Bangladeshi Companies At Rooppur NPP: Alexander Khazin

 

[Dot]

Well, India is not NSG member, so according to the IAEA norms they can't be involved. Also there is no trilateral agreement among Bangladesh, Russia and India to enable India's participation. I guess India's participation in the project would be limited to consultancy services.

You got a point there. Without being a member of NSG, how Indian companies would collaborate with Russian would be interesting to find out. Interestingly the Science & Technology minister of BD recently told on live that a draft of tripartite contract on Roopur NPP is ready and would be signed soon. Not sure what he really meant there and on what Scope the contract would be signed on. As you've said, Indian consultancy is certain here but for the rest we may have to wait for a few more days.

 

[Species]

You got a point there. Without being a member of NSG, how Indian companies would collaborate with Russian would be interesting to find out. Interestingly the Science & Technology minister of BD recently told on live that a draft of tripartite contract on Roopur NPP is ready and would be signed soon. Not sure what he really meant there and on what Scope the contract would be signed on. As you've said, Indian consultancy is certain here but for the rest we may have to wait for a few more days.

I guess that's a draft tripartite deal to include India as a consultant,.
http://www.newagebd.net/print/article/2679

 

[Nilgiri]

Tianwan Nuclear Power Plant uses VVER-1000 reactors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianwan_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Also - https://sputniknews.com/world/201708231056718572-russia-china-nuclear-cooperation/

I am talking long term Chinese expansion in nuclear energy....not legacy hedging when China was figuring out what tech was best for its case (along with what could be indigenized most appropriately).

Russia has next to 0 prevalence in that planned Chinese strategy compared to CANDU and French basis. Just look at what IPR is in play regarding them for domestic Chinese program....and also the scale of the committed projects.

Then compare on % basis w.r.t VVER commitment inside India....and Indian expansion plans. Its clear where BD will piggy back off.

But sure you can wait 10+ years to confirm it if you want. Just like today's market share India has in BD of deals signed back in the 90s.

You got a point there. Without being a member of NSG,

NSG concerns dual use tech for nuclear weapons.

If you look at the VVER, there is no nuclear weapons dual use anywhere in the main power plant (certainly no scaleable Pu-238 unlike say CIRUS that India used that prompted NSG in first place), it uses low enriched Uranium pellets to begin with. IAEA safeguards for NMA are different and do not cover supply of components esp given there is final integrator/assurance by a NSG/NPT member in this case.

If there is a in-situ re-processing (post plant use), that will be the only thing under NSG requirement (and related IAEA safeguards), and given BD tech capability it will essentially be a fully owned and run Russian black box.

But you have to make the case that the latter will exist for this project compared to Russia simply shipping back to itself (or another NSG member) for reprocessing/storage of spent fuel...and that will be a tiny fraction of the 12 billion cost to begin with anyway. Reprocessing itself is pretty broad as to what it concerns, there is initial, middle, broad etc w.r.t both the fuel and certain contaminated byproducts....so BD reprocessing something in-situ does not mean all of this either.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Having a nuclear plant for electricity and having plant to produce weapon grade fissile material two different things.

Anyways congrats.

 

[gslv mk3]

You do know where China got the basis of its most popular domestic nuclear reactor design right? Hint: Not Russia.

Don't tell them that !!! Chinese worshiping Jamatis would be devastated to know that the showpiece of Chinese nuclear technology was not developed from scratch.

As for subcontracts,
We Have Enough Work For Bangladeshi Companies At Rooppur NPP: Alexander Khazin

They would be probably building accommodation & administration buildings.

You don't have any experienced contractors or certified vendors for producing any components whatsoever.

 

[Lucky Breeze]

No offense to bengalis, wish them best of luck but today seems like every one is set to join nuclear club, KSA , turkey , syria, bangladesh etc etc. Well at least all of them will get a know-how what it is mean to be a nuclear capable country.

 

[bluesky]

No offense to bengalis, wish them best of luck but today seems like every one is set to join nuclear club, KSA , turkey , syria, bangladesh etc etc. Well at least all of them will get a know-how what it is mean to be a nuclear capable country.

BD certainly does not want to build nuclear weapons like Pakistan and India did. BD will use this power to brighten the houses and power the industrial machines. BD has signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Poor countries with nuclear weapons should ask their hungry people to feed on it because they have less food and the standard of living is low. But, our aim is to elevate the standard of living.